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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBitcoin is not money. It's an unregulated commodity that gets traded for barter instead of money.
Bitcoin is a virtual product that takes time and effort to create. -> Mining.
Bitcoins get their value from two factors:
* The supply of Bitcoin is limited.
* If you convert your money into Bitcoin, you can make an untracable financial transaction and the recipient can convert the Bitcoin back into real money.
* Bitcoin can also be stored as an investment, like that rare collectors-item you keep in your drawer. Or that celebrity-pic you took with your Smartphone.
That's why people are willing to buy Bitcoins at all. (Financial speculation aside.) They need Bitcoins for these kinds of financial transactions.
More people want to make these transactions. -> More people need Bitcoins. -> Price goes up.
Fewer people are interested in these transactions. -> Less people need Bitcoins. -> Price goes down.
Imagine living in a pre-industrial world where the hot new technology is the ability to transfer money via carrier-pigeon from one bank-account to another. Untracable for the tax-collectors. Secure from bandits.
That is Bitcoin.
Everybody will breed and buy carrier-pigeons. The carrier-pigeon-industry will boom and eventually flatten once the market has consolidated and there is ample supply of carrier-pigeons for everybody. And then, one day, carrier-pigeons get replaced by the next big thing.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)and you can only buy tiny little squares of property with it and build houses only fit for ants.
Pheh!
ffr
(22,670 posts)Thieves, killers, drug runners, organized crime, and the underhanded. In other words, perfect for the tRumpsters and the KGOP treasonweasels.
FSogol
(45,487 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It currently has so many negatives and is surrounded by so much propaganda that for the time being it will stay the currency of criminals and investors. By current design it furthers the divide between the rich and poor. It's a model that cannot move forward much further in it's current state in a transparent market.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)but IIRC the differences are mainly in terms of how they get mined and how secure the money-transfer is.
An example would be Ethereum. Hailed as an improved version of Bitcoin.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It seems to be a direction we are heading and once one seriously takes off and gains acceptance I fell it is something that could actually help to stabilize economies on the macro and micro level.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)it has quadrupled in a few months.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)In a normal market, the price of a Bitcoin would be determined by supply and demand. But right now the price is driven by speculators. People are buying Bitcoins for the sake of buying Bitcoins.
That's a bubble. And it's just a question of time until some incident accidently or some investor malevolently bursts that bubble.
cvoogt
(949 posts)now would be a good time to
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)That's hacker talk.
RAT - Remote Access Trojan.
A program that is secretly installed to control a computer over the internet.
FUD - Fully UnDetectable by current computer security systems.
WaitWut
(71 posts)I would recommend reservation when trying to establish opinions on the future of crypto-currencies. I think that as we approach the automation age the role of a non-centralized currency for barter will become a global necessity. I am by no means an expert on crypto-currency but to watch this evolve from just a computer geek "what if" to a recognized commodity by the institutional investor is absolutely fascinating.
If I owned any, I would be developing an exit strategy, and if it pulls back enough I might be willing to speculate. But just to step back and say Bitcoin bad because bad people use Bitcoin is a little bit ignorant in my opinion.
But heck, I am just some old hippy on the internet...
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,837 posts)'Mining' sounds like new bitcoins are being discovered and brought into circulation yet we're told the supply is 'limited.'
WaitWut
(71 posts)The bitcoins are "mined" by having a computer work a math problem. The more coins that are mined the more complex the math problem. So theoretically, you have an infinite supply of bitcoin, it is just going to take longer and longer to actually mine one coin. Now, this is really an over simplification of the process, but for my pea brain this is how I understand it.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,837 posts)Also, who wants those math problems solved?
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)Only 21 million Bitcoins can be created. There have been about 16.7 million created so far. Due to all the coins lost by people when BTC wasnt worth much, the amount in circulation is lower.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)It is limited to, I believe, 23 million, to be released according to some scheme in decreasing numbers over the next few decades.
You're correct about the "mining," and the whoever has the most super-duper computer gets a better chance at the periodic lottery.
It's some vague stand-in for a dubious analog of a shaky metaphor for money, to be sure.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Or, to use an even older example, those rare tulip bulbs?
I think we need a buble emoji here...
MisterProton
(56 posts)But hey - what do those geniuses on Wall Street know about money? Right?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nasdaq-plans-to-launch-bitcoin-futures-in-first-half-2018-1511968313
?cb=1364307293
Orrex
(63,213 posts)I love reading the pro-Bitcoin advocacy on here from all the advocates who clap their hands to show that they truly, truly believe in this mythical faux-money novelty.
When the bottom drops out, a few assholes are going to be made super-rich, and all the rest will be big sacks of nothing.
Steven Maurer
(459 posts)That's all it is. So if you want to support tax evasion and other crimes, buy it.
The bottom will drop out of the Bitcoin market when laws are passed to de-anonymize it.
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