Get Ready for Concealed Guns in All 50 States

[octoberlib]

The National Rifle Association has called the concealed carry bill, which would make it easier for gun owners to keep their firearms hidden when crossing state lines, its “highest legislative priority in Congress.” Despite concerns raised by Democrats about states’ rights and domestic violence, the Republican-controlled Congress has pushed the proposal one step closer to becoming law.

The House Judiciary Committee late Wednesday voted 19-11 for the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, which would amend the federal criminal code to allow the concealed transport of handguns across state lines, so long as both states allow it. States will not be able to impose their individual requirements for a concealed carry license on armed travelers from other states.

Republicans rejected Democratic amendments that would ban violent offenders from qualifying under the law, as well as a change that would have prevented forum shopping, which means a New York resident barred from obtaining a concealed carry permit could instead send away for one from Texas. The bill, which has more than 200 co-sponsors, almost all Republicans, now heads for the floor of the 435-member House. A similar bill, with 38 Republican co-sponsors, is pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee.


A slew of amendments brought by Democrats were shot down, including a proposal by Nadler to ban violent offenders from possessing a concealed handgun and another from Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas to exclude those convicted of domestic violence and stalking. A residency amendment, brought by Democrat Zoe Lofgren of California, was also rejected. The amendment sought to prevent “permit shopping” by prohibiting those living in states with stringent conceal carry permit regulations from applying for permits in more lax states.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-29/get-ready-for-concealed-guns-in-all-50-states

[Kingofalldems]

1. Look out below!

[Moostache]

2. Jesus F'ing Christ Crucified....stop the insanity!!!!

Criminal record no barrier to guns but IS to voting????
Domestic abusers can have all the guns and concealed carry that they want???

If you get shot down in your home state you can shop online for licenses from non-resident states more open to your requests???

I am literally wondering how I am going to prevent myself from pimp slapping the next GOP/Trump fan I have to endure...no difference between parties huh?

Stop the goddamn world, I need to get off now...

[octoberlib]

3. It's nuts. A never ending nightmare.

[PoliticAverse]

4. People convicted of domestic violence or under a domestic violence restraining order may not possess

firearms under federal law.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

[Lurks Often]

5. This won't change Federal law on who can own a gun

It is already illegal for a person convicted of felony to own a gun and it is illegal for someone convicted of domestic violence conviction to own a gun.

Link to the ATF 4473 form required for the purchase of a firearm from a firearms dealer or any transaction that crosses state lines:
https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

On edit: "If you get shot down in your home state you can shop online for licenses from non-resident states more open to your requests?"

Some states (NJ & HI among others) refuse to issue CCW permits to anyone except powerful people (politicians & people in the entertainment industry) and people with connections.

[Fred Sanders]

8. So why is the NRA so hot to trot on this change to federal law, one might ask??

Real puzzler. One part is the inability of a state prohibiting armed carry concealed folk from being subject to the carry concealed licencing of the state the armed traveller is in...crazy hypocritical state rights violation.

[oneshooter]

28. If you want a Texas LTC then you must come to Texas to get it. n/t

[Lurks Often]

55. Shrug, I think you meant to respond to "Fred Sanders" not me

[oneshooter]

61. My mistake. At least you will reply politely.

[Lurks Often]

67. Not a problem, enjoy your day

[Kaleva]

7. It's illegal for domestic abusers to have a gun in the first place.

And I don't know what good a concealed weapon permit from another state would do me. Probably get me sent to jail.

[Fred Sanders]

10. You are in luck. Not anymore, soon. No worries, carry that concealed one state OK Luger wherever!

[Kaleva]

12. The bill doesn't repeal the Lautenberg Amendment

[Fred Sanders]

15. Non-responsive. Since no residency requirement, will be legal to go to any state, say the easiest

state you can find, get your gun from One Hour Guns and Permits and go back to your state, or wherever, with a 50 state legal carry concealed legal GUN.

Wayne Lapierre weeps with joy today.

[PoliticAverse]

18. Federal law prohibits those with domestic violence convictions from legally possessing guns...

in any state.

[Fred Sanders]

19. Missing my point. Red state gun laws will become blue state laws. Answer me why this law

change is so near and dear to NRA?

Enlighten DU.

[NickB79]

41. Federal gun laws trump state gun laws

It is illegal in all 50 states for someone with a domestic assault conviction to buy a gun, much less carry one concealed.

[Fred Sanders]

58. Why does the NRA love this law? Gunners...anyone...anyone? Step right up!

[NickB79]

69. This law doesn't repeal the federal law on domestic abusers

You seem confused how all this works.

[Fred Sanders]

79. Why is the NRA a long lover of this law?

[Kaleva]

21. You can already do that.

On top of that, my Michigan CPL is already valid in all but 10 states.

These are the states that honor a Michigan CPL:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming

[Fred Sanders]

38. Link? What does 'honor' mean? Again I ask...why is the NRA so keen if so this law so minor??

[Kaleva]

40. Here is your statement that I responded to

"Since no residency requirement, will be legal to go to any state, say the easiest

state you can find, get your gun from One Hour Guns and Permits and go back to your state, or wherever, with a 50 state legal carry concealed legal GUN. "

Read the OP. The proposed law doesn't impact what states require of their residents. I can't carry a concealed gun in Michigan without a valid Michigan CPL, assuming this law passes, even if I could get an non-resident permit from another state such as Texas, Arizona or Florida. I'd go to jail.

Just because the NRA is supposedly really keen on this doesn't mean it's a big deal.

[Lee-Lee]

50. That is patently untrue

Federal law says any gun sale that crosses state lines must be done through a dealer and the sale must be made in accordance with the laws of the buyers state of residence.

This won’t make it one but easier to legally buy a gun in another state. Period. And the idea that it is now is a myth too.

If you have to lie about the facts to push you point then you don’t have a point.

[Fred Sanders]

57. Patently misreading my statement and the OP.

[Lee-Lee]

60. Oh I read it fine

And what you stated was untrue.

The ease of buying a gun doesn’t change if you go to another state. The laws of anything get stricter as you cross state lines.

And a non-resident permit won’t be good in the state that you live in, only in other states. As an NC resident I have a NC and Florida permit. If I let my NC expire or it was revoked my Florida would not be valid here in NC. Under this law that would not change. It doesn’t affect the issuence of a permit in your state and doesn’t mean a resident of state A can get a permit from state B and then carry in state A- it only affects carry outside a persons state of residence.

Literally nothing you stated was true or in any way connected to reality on this matter.

[krispos42]

25. This is about concealed carry permits

Keeping in mind there is nothing stopping people from carrying illegally. If you want to stuff a pistol in your pocket and carry it around, this very minute, what exactly is stopping you? (Assuming you already own one, of course).

Nothing but your own sense of self determination.

I don't like the way this particular bill is (sounds like they could do a lot more) but the general concept isn't going to lead to anarchy and chaos.

Remember, permit homers tend to be very law abiding.

[Hoyt]

30. No more law-abiding than those who qualify for a permit, but refuse to carry

a lethal weapon in public places. Why do gunners spread this junk?

I'd bet if someone really studied it, non-toters -- who qualify for a permit but recognize toting as a detriment to society -- are more law-abiding.

Gunners conveniently forget that toters like George Zimmerman are considered a law-abiding citizen by our flawed reporting system.


To hear gunners tell it, these guys are law-abiding, fine citizens, exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights:

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[krispos42]

31. And certainty no less law abiding

But to read the responses here, you'd think it was a very-out-of-jail card for committing murder.

Jesus, you guys soil your undies in fear at the thought of people getting a CCP permit, when it's career criminals illegally carrying illegally obtained guns that you are in far more danger from in public areas.

And of course, in private and for premeditated murders, CCP permits aren't a contributing factor.



The Trumpsters in your picture are also exercising their 1st Amendment rights. Guess we need to shitcan freedom of expression and freedom of assembly as well.

[Hoyt]

37. Truthfully, I believe those who strap a gun or two on to go outside are a problem we

need to address.

As to soiling underwear, we don't have to tuck a gun into our pants to go to Chuck E Cheese or walk down the street. So who is really living in irrational fear?

Are you saying that you agree with Trump that those in the photo are good armed racists?

[Fred Sanders]

39. Ever wonder why the gunners always display the military style rifles and not the hunter rifles

with the EXACT same specifications? One looks intimidating and lethal while one looks like a hunters rifle. The gunner will say no point banning the military style because the hunter style is the same...but these militia and racist type understand the difference!
The gunners love only one style when going on parade to display their wares, inadequacies, implied threats and general community fear mongering service.

[krispos42]

46. The career criminals certainly are the problem

Not the permitted people who simply want to be able to defend themselves if something bad happens.

It seems to me that since your side can't really do anything about all the people carrying illegally (car career criminals with illegally obtained guns) you instead wage war on contest people carrying guns legally.

I agree that they are armed racists. Which is not a crime, but is disgusting.

And I think that open carry should be generally illegal, but your sides efforts on this issue has had a lot of opposite effects.

[Lee-Lee]

52. As long as there are criminals who would seek to harm me

And that includes any racists who would seek to attack me out of hate.

Or someone who wishes to sexually assault me. I refuse to be a victim again.

Or say an armed robbery, turning it into a kidnapping by locking the doors to keep victims in so they can make sure they can’t escape.

Only the kind of criminal who would be a danger to me needs to fear that. Like one who would wish to sexually assault me. Or a racist attacking me out of hate. Or one who would try and lock me into the scene of an armed robbery. They are all the kind of scum who need to fear honest, lawful people like me being able to defend themselves.

If you don’t fit in the mold of the people above you have nothing to worry about for me being able to defend myself.

[Hoyt]

59. Like most gunners, I think your fear of criminals is exaggerated. Maybe your years as a policeman

fuels that fear, but the fact is this country does not need a bunch of armed people walking around the streets just a fight with their wife or something away from becoming the next George Zimmerman, Paddock, Kelley, etc.

93% of us do fine without a gun in our pants. Most of you overestimate your need for guns and your ability to use it in the highly unlikely event you run into a situation. This is not a war zone, Lee-Lee, believe it or not.

[Lee-Lee]

62. Your life experience is yours, mine is mine

I’ve been sexually assaulted before, have you? I’ve had a knife pulled on me in a parking garage before by a man whose intent I didn’t know, have you? A desire to not be a victim of that again is a good enough reason for me to desire having the ability to defend myself. In the first case I was a teenager and did not have the means to defend myself, and it didn’t end well. In the second case I had a handgun and simply drawing it changed the entire dynamic of the situation and prevented me from being the victim of a robbery, rape, kidnapping or murder- without firing a shot.

My life experience tells me that it’s better to have the means to defend myself than not to.

While you may feel you are psychic and able to see what will happen to me and know everything that I should fear or that I am capable of, I prefer to make those judgements for myself instead of people with no clue of me, my life or my abilities making them for me.

If you don’t want to own or carry a gun, if your legally allowed, then that is your choice. I’ll respect a decision not to carry as much as one to carry.

And as long as your not someone out engaging in criminal activity that harms me or threatens to harm me then you have nothing at all to worry about just because I’m allowed to carry.

[Hoyt]

64. Anger and guns don't mix in our society, sorry.

[Lee-Lee]

65. Im far from an angry person despite your attempts at psychoanalysis

I’m actually a very laid back calm person. I don’t show anger and I don’t have a temper. I don’t fight, I find ways to avoid fights.

Now, you may feel that not carrying is the best choice for you given your own issues with anger or anything else, and if so that’s totally your right and I would of course respect your decision. But don’t project what you may judge is best for you on everything else.

[Hoyt]

66. Not toting is the best choice for everyone.

[EX500rider]

70. Actually I think you mean the best choice for you.

[Hoyt]

74. No, I mean a bunch of gunners walking around with guns is not in our best interest.

It might help you with your issues, but you can see someone for those.

And, just so you don't get cute and pull up a post I made years ago while you gunners were having an orgasm over opening fire just because a robber locked the door to a grocery store in the middle of a robbery, I did post something to the effect of "back when I was a robber," I locked the doors to keep other customers and police out so as to not cause a gun fight where a bunch of people got shot. Your gun promoting buddies were too obtuse to get I was ridiculing them. Instead, you run around here and on the Discussionist saying I am a robber.

Again, although you might need guns strapped to your body, I don't think this country needs this:


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[EX500rider]

82. Your cherry picked pictures notwithstanding,

a lone woman who has to walk from the subway to her apt in a bad part of town might not agree, nor the night manager of a fast food joint who has to carry $20,000 in a bank bag out to the parking lot and to the bank at 1am in a bad part of town....or the elderly person whose neighbor was killed in the recent nearby break-in, or the woman who was raped in a break-in...or etc...

[Fred Sanders]

83. Funny!/Rec!

[ClarendonDem]

76. What we really don't need is a bunch of felons walking around with guns in their pockets

But that's the world we live in.

[Hoyt]

85. Felons or people like George Zimmerman one fight with his wife away from pulling his gun

on an unarmed kid. Short of law enforcement and a few unique situation, none of you should be walking around with a gun. I get you need them, but that's a discussion gunners need to have with medical and mental health professionals.

[ClarendonDem]

87. Thankfully

The Second Amendment protects the right of citizens without a criminal record to own a firearm (if they choose).

[Hoyt]

89. You can sit at home and play with your firearms all you want, I'm talking about public toting and

that is not necessarily protected.

[ClarendonDem]

90. Agreed, unclear if concealed carry is protected

And I doubt open carry is (which I dislike in any event). But again, the vast majority of states have very reasonable concealed carry laws.

[LanternWaste]

68. A rather irrational sentiment unsupported by any evidence other than your own bias.

The "you guys soil your undies in fear", though melodramatic and creative, is a strong indicator your bias has taken over rational thought on this topic.

A rather irrational sentiment unsupported by any evidence other than your own bias; hence, I certainly understand your deft move to the reductio ad absurdum fallacy of what you pretend others want to "shitcan."

Irrational, bubby. So far as to say hysterical and over-emotional in content.




But please allege otherwise... it's a slow morning here, and the bemusement will assist the tedium.

[krispos42]

71. So, what are the qualifications to be an IMAX projection operator?

I mean, the last decade or so rifles are used to murder not quite 300 people annually; the handgun rate is over TWENTY times higher. Yet what is the flagship gun-control law one side is continually advocating for?

A ban on "assault weapons" typified by the AR-15 rifle (currently) and the AK-47-like rifle (previously).


And tell me again, how many people are murdered (not killed, murdered) by CCP permittees in public?


But I'm being irrational and biased. You go with that.

[ClarendonDem]

77. Well said

Or typed. Or whatever.

[HAB911]

54. I would not trust any of those guys around children

OR small farm animals

[krispos42]

72. Neither would I.

They're racist assholes. Period.

[LisaM]

6. This needs to be the lead on all the news shows.

Unfortunately, it won't be. They are just hiding this bullshit in plain sight now.

[Kaleva]

9. What good is an out of state CPL in your own home state?

[octoberlib]

11. If you travel you'll be able to conceal carry in all 50 states? That's the way I read it.

It's confusing . Why were Dems offering these amendments if they're already federal law?

[Kaleva]

13. You won't be able to conceal carry in your own home state though.

At least not in Michigan and probably many other states too.

[sarisataka]

16. Under this law you would be able to carry

As a permit from any state would be valid in the other 49

[Kaleva]

22. This law does not trump state law for that state's residents.

By law, for me to conceal carry in my home state of Michigan, I have to have on my person a valid Michigan CPL.

From the OP:

"States will not be able to impose their individual requirements for a concealed carry license on armed travelers from other states. "

[krispos42]

34. Some states will not recognize any other states' permits

My state is one. Connecticut doesn't recognize any other permits. Neither does New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and a few others.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me; most murders are either committed in private residences, or in public spaces by people illegally carrying guns they illegally obtained. And if I'm in the process of committing premeditated murder lack of a permit isn't going to keep me from stuffing a handgun in my belt and under my jacket.

[Break time]

33. every state

has different laws concerning CW permits some are may issue,some are shall issue they have reciprocal agreements with other states...I personally have a permit from my home state and a non-resident from another state. My home state license is accepted in quite a few states but not all that I travel to, the other license covers about 35 or so states a lot of which don't accept my home state license...

You can find the laws and agreements here http://www.handgunlaw.us/

[Kaleva]

35. I think some here believe...

that with the new law, if passed, a person denied a permit in their own state would be able to get one from another with more lax laws and be good to go. Such as if I couldn't get a CPL in my home state of Michigan, I could get one from Florida and it'd be valid in Michigan but that isn't true.

[Break time]

43. Exactly

They also don't seem to get the fact that you still have to be legally able to purchase a gun and pass a much more stringent background check...I personally have an Oregon and a Utah license.. but had to pass training classes in order to be eligible for either one of them..

[sarisataka]

14. Poor headline

All 50 states currently have a law to allow concealed carry in some form

That said many of the proposed amendments makes sense even if they simply duplicate what is already in federal law. It also makes sense that like a driver's license you would only get your permit through your home state not from a different state.

[roamer65]

20. Looks like there will need to be border inspections between states.

CA, NY and other states have every right to control what crosses their border.

[Break time]

44. They all

Honor other states drivers licenses...

[JustAnotherGen]

86. Yep

But - Phil and our Democratic Assembly and Senate are going to put those gun nuts in Texas in their place.

They don't like it? Don't come here.

States rights work both ways.

[VOX]

23. Republicans are in love with birth control after-the-fact.

As long as the serfs shoot one another all over hell's creation, Republicans enjoy this (the very mention of “Chicago” gives them a self-righteous mental erection). Keeps the little folks humble to have them slaughtered at least monthly (and in wholesale numbers) by one of their own. And the $15 billion/year firearms industry is overjoyed, since the more serfs shoot one another, the surviving serfs will buy even more death-dealing weapons.

[HAB911]

56. +++++++++++

[Kaleva]

24. Right now, I can already conceal carry in 40 states

My Michigan concealed carry permit in honored in the following states:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming,

My permit is not honored in the following:

California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the N. Mariana Islands.

https://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

[Blue_true]

29. What rational, fucking reason under the sun would you have for carrying a gun

into 40 states? That is damned insane unless you are in law enforcement and have to travel between states. Your post is why I have issues with gunners. Many states have laws that allow me to do many things in them that I have no logical reason for wanting to do in them, it is all about freaking sanity and balance.

[Kaleva]

32. I don't make the law.

So stop being excited for no reason. I'm just pointing out that the proposed bill that's discussed in the OP doesn't change things much.

[Lee-Lee]

48. What states can you assure me 100% of my safety in as I travel?

I will make a note and know that I don’t need to worry about my own personal safety in them... because you said it’s ok.

[SQUEE]

63. I live in a 3 border area.

And my wife commutes from our home in one state to work in another, and does satellite office work in the third.

In this current culture a woman driving a Leaf, with a "I am with her" sticker is wise to have that .40 in her purse.Why would you want to take away my wife's ability to protect and defend herself?

[Fred Sanders]

81. Gunners live in such perpetual fear of everything. Sad.

[SQUEE]

88. Name calling.

Last refuge for some.

Have a wonderful day Fred.

[Fred Sanders]

78. The state with the laxist carry concealed requirements will be the new national standard.

That is the point you ignore.

[Kaleva]

91. You are ingnoring very important parts of the proposed law

You have to either have a valid permit from your own home state or at least be eligible to get one from your home state.

"A qualified individual must: (1) be eligible to possess, transport, or receive a firearm under federal law; (2) carry a valid photo identification document; and (3) carry a valid concealed carry permit issued by, or be eligible to carry a concealed firearm in, his or her state of residence."

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/summary/00

Federal law prohibits persons convicted of domestic violence from purchasing, owning or even just having access to a gun of any type.

The proposed law clearly states that one must meet the standards of the state he or she resides in. For some reason you keep on ignoring that point and continue to push the falsehood that one can simply go to a state which has lax concealed carry requirements and get a permit which would satisfy the law.

And another thing, this only affects states that allows citizens to carry concealed firearms. if your state deosn't allow that, then you have no worries.

"This bill amends the federal criminal code to allow a qualified individual to carry a concealed handgun into or possess a concealed handgun in another state that allows individuals to carry concealed firearms."

[Fred Sanders]

92. You would argue with a post. ex. I do not have a drivers license but I am eligible....not same as

having license. Why bother with the license at all? See the Lower standard. Simple concept.

When is why the NRA loves it, in part.

[spanone]

26. republican blow jobs for the NRA...another important donor

[Blue_true]

27. Republicans only care about State's Rights when they are out of power. nt

[radical noodle]

36. I believe that this has been suggested for travelers more than anything

For example, to get a CCW in Indiana (where we lived before) one had to go to the local sheriff's office, get fingerprinted, get a thorough background check and then wait until the permit arrived before carrying a gun in one's glove compartment or handbag. In Florida (where we live now) a CCW permit requires also taking a gun safety course that is not mandated in Indiana. So if a person goes on vacation from Indiana to Florida, they will be able to use their Indiana CCW permit while on vacation for a few days. If they then move to Florida, they must get a Florida CCW permit which means taking the class.

As far as I know, it isn't possible to get a CCW permit in Florida (for example) while living in Indiana. Most sensible gun owners would prefer to concealed carry than open carry for purposes of safety.

BTW, the CCW is totally apart from what one goes through to actually get the gun. That's a separate process.

I'm not a big fan of guns myself, but my husband has them and I once had a CCW because I was driving a lot of rural roads in the dark back and forth to work. I really don't think this is a big deal in comparison to other things going on these days with guns.

[Kaleva]

45. That's what it looks like to me. The bill is mainly for travelers.

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I have a Michigan CPL. I have relatives in Tennessee and if I was to go visit them and for some odd reason I wished to keep my gun loaded and in the glove box while traveling, I could do so in Michigan and Wisconsin but before I entered Illinois, I'd have to stop and empty the gun and put the pistol in a locked box in the back of the SUV. After getting through Illinois and entering Indiana, I would stop, get the gun, load it and put it back in the glove compartment and continue on my way through Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee.

If this law passes, I wouldn't have to place the unloaded gun in the trunk while going driving through Illinois as long as I had my state CPL on me.

I don't have any intention of taking my gun out of state.

[Justice]

42. Whats the forum shopping piece all about?

[Lee-Lee]

47. Say you are a NYC resident who also travels a lot

You can’t get a concealed carry permit in NYC unless you are well connected and drop a lot of money. For 99% of people who live there it’s imposisble.

And even if you do, most states manage CCW reciprocity in a way where they recognize states that recognize them, making it a two way street. NY won’t recognize any other states permits, so those states won’t recognize theirs. So even if you had a NYC permit it won’t be recognized as valid in most other states, while my NC permit is valid in 36 other states right now.

Now let’s say your job requires extensive travel outside of NYC- for example it has you in Florida 4 months a year sometimes working alone in bad parts of the state.

You can apply for a non-resident permit from Florida and it’s valid not only in Florida but lot of other states. It won’t be valid in NYC, your still denied the right to self defense there unless your the well connected 1%, but in other states that honor Florida’s permit you could carry.

This is also the case for people who come from a place like Vermont. Vermont has allowed concealed carry without a permit for 100+ years (and without any problems from it). If you travel outside Vermont since you can’t get a permit from your state there is no permit for another state to honor right now, so you get one from another state.

I actually have permits from NC where I live and Florida.

[Lee-Lee]

49. There are already concealed guns in all 50 states

Illinois was the last one that denied rights as a blanket policy and they got slammed down in court and the state legislature there had to develop a permit system.

All this does is make a CCW like a drivers license. While every state has its own requirements for a license and its own system to regulate there when you travel your drivers license from one state is recognized as valid to drive in the other 49.


Just like a drivers license from one state doesn’t absolve you from following the traffic laws of other states, so you better know what’s different, a CCW permit from one state doesn’t change the fact that you have to know and follow the laws of the state you are in.

This all mostly exists now anyway with the states voluntarily respecting other states permits, but some states hassle gun owners and that has lead to this being pushed. If you want a good example of why I and other support this law look ion Shaneen Allen. A young black single mom who got a Pa CCW and was arrested, held for 40 days and Fred a felony charge because she was pulled over on a traffic stop in NJ and had her gun. She should have known it wasn’t allowed in NJ, yes, but the way the state came down that hard on someone who obviously wasn’t intending to use the gun in a criminal act was way overboard.

[doodsaq]

51. NRA domestic terrorist organization NT

[alarimer]

53. Yes, more deaths from gun nuts.

Well, a whole lot better than dying slowly from Medicare cuts, I suppose.

[ClarendonDem]

80. You do realize that people who would benefit from this law

In the sense that they can carry their legally purchased firearm from state to state, really aren't the people you need to be worried about if you are worried about gun violence?

[Alea]

73. Hope it passes n/t

[trof]

75. Oh goodie. n/t

[hunter]

84. What about hand grenades? I don't feel safe if I'm not carrying a dozen or so...

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