I smell something rotten in all these sexual misconduct accusations.

[doc03]

Since the Roy Moore accusations. We suddenly have similar accusations on all of Trump's top whipping boys.
Democrats: Al Franken, Conyers
NBC: Matt Lauer
PBS: Charlie Rose, Garrison Keillor
Not saying these women are lying just why do we have all these accusations coming out at the same time as the Roy Moore election
and they are all people that Trump and Faux news hate?
I smell a rat. Bannon? Murdock?

On Edit: We have all the people in the entertainment industry that also supported Democrats.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Sadly, we won't find out for a long time.

By then it's too fucking late.

[milestogo]

2. The rats are the men who have gotten away with this bullshit for years.

[Bradshaw3]

15. Yes

Plus the article about Lauer was a two-month investigation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. Can't argue with that... only question is when is the perv rat in the White House

going to be held accountable?!

[Rhiannon12866]

59. My very first question, too...

[Bayard]

79. Maybe that's when he'll admit he has dementia

And use it as his defense.

[FarPoint]

78. That's true...

But. .the post has merit...

[Loki Liesmith]

80. The question is who are the rats

Need more than accusations to convince me

[yardwork]

3. Yeah, well the accusations against Lauer sound very compelling.

Same for the accusations against Rose. Conyers cases resulted in monetary settlements, so that's pretty compelling evidence that harassment occurred.

I haven't read up on Keillor today.

I'm not impressed with the accusations against Franken.

[doc03]

12. But all the Republicans are suddenly as pure as the driven snow?

Had trump supporter bring it up today, they are gloating about the Fake Media and Democrats being nailed.
Roy Moore is Innocent because he denies it. Franken is guilty because he apologized. The others are guilty because they were fired.

[anneboleyn]

25. This plus no discussion of the horrible tax plan. Fox News is of course discussing Conyers etc

nonstop for 24 hours a day. Funny — they don’t think that Trump’s sexual harassment issues were important! Wonder why?! (Rolls eyes)

[customerserviceguy]

41. They don't have to be pure

All they have to get across is the "everybody does it" theme, and Roy Moore wins in Alabama.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. And Anthony Weiner

OK, OK, OK. He got caught and he shouldn't have done it.

But he was one of the loudest and most forceful voice for the democrats in the House. And the e-mail connection to be used against Hillary. Coincidence? I don't think so.

[Volaris]

34. It's also the case that his own people forces him out for his bad behavior.

The idjits will vote for Moore, the same way they voted for trump. They don't care about standards. They care about Power, and that's it.

[JI7]

5. Al Franken is the only one i think is BS.

In the case of lauer rose it seems like most who with them already knew.

Conyers is being investigated and what is coming out is not good and he needs to go.

[Freethinker65]

6. I honestly believe many of the accusations, but it does remind me of the Salem Witch Trials

I can also envision a backlash against women...American/Puritan Christian Taliban style

[Squinch]

14. If the accused in the Salem witch trials were actually turning people into newts on a

regular basis, this would be totally like the Salem witch trials.

If not, this has nothing in common with them.

[boston bean]

17. LMAO!! Thanks squinchy!!

[Squinch]

19. .

[Ms. Toad]

38. Nice. I'm getting fed up with the implication that the women harmed by these men

shouldn't be coming forward right now because it hurts us politically.

[gollygee]

49. OMG thank you

It isn't like the witch trials because sexual harassment really freaking happens. This kind of thing is driving me crazy.

[MrsCoffee]

62. thank you thank you thank you

Very succinct.

[Freethinker65]

39. Glad you found humor in my post.

Last edited Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)

I sincerely hope you are correct.

My post was about how people can react in mass to believe things and how mere accusations can be used to persuade people one way or the other.

Of course sexual harassment exists (I have personal experience with it) and witches do not and never did. That was not my intended argument.

[LanternWaste]

70. It was however, precisely the sentiment you expressed.

" That was not my intended argument..."

It was however, precisely the sentiment you expressed.

[Freethinker65]

73. We must agree to disagree on this. Enjoy your day

[cwydro]

7. Matt Lauer did a lot to help Trump.

Remember his interview with Trump and Hillary?

[LisaL]

9. So did Comey, but Trump fired him anyway.

[doc03]

20. But Matt Lauer is also an employee of the much hated NBC nt

[MrsCoffee]

8. I don't think sexual misconduct has a political party.

[gollygee]

50. +1

[brush]

10. Lauer was not on trump's hit list. He did trump a favor during that interview during the campaign...

He grilled Hillary on emails while throwing softball questions to trump.

[doc03]

21. NBC is nt

[BannonsLiver]

11. Im not seeing a broad conspiracy

Franken has definitely been targeted. But that no GOP Congress critters have been nailed post Weinstein is more of a function of most GOP/conservative women living by this credo:

[doc03]

18. I forgot about all the people in the entertainment industry that also

supported Democrats.

[loyalsister]

13. It has nothing to so with Roy Moore

It started with the people in the entertainment industry coming forward. The number of famous women identifying as victims was so astonishing that other women started coming forward. Thus #metoo. What is happening is people are finally talking about an institutionally protected practice. It has been so commonplace that even nice guys have been a part of it without thinking about it. We had other opportunities to talk about it, but didn't. A lot has to do with the generally accepted greater value of famous white women.

[doc03]

23. It sure took Roy Moore off the front page didn't it? Mission Accomplished!

[Iwasthere]

37. Exactly!!

[Squinch]

40. "Damn those women! They should have kept their mouths shut about the men who

made their lives a living hell! How dare they come out with their stories NOW?"

Seriously, do you hear yourself? Because the rest of us reading this are hearing you loud and clear. It's quite disturbing.

[doc03]

75. Your reading comprehension is poor. I made a point to say I believe the women.

The point of the post was that it seems strange that these accusations are only coming out against Trump's enemies.

[loyalsister]

54. It's not like it's a developing story

News sources investigated. They came forward. He denied it, and tried to spin it a few different ways. Not everything is a conspiracy.

[Squinch]

22. I smell something too. Its called "Lots of piggy guys sexually harassing women for years on end."

I'm glad to see it finally coming out.

So, I'll wager, are most women who have experienced harassment.

[bdamomma]

44. The biggest

assaulter who needs to GO is STILL sitting in the WH. He should not get off the hook.

[gollygee]

51. Yup

Lots of men sexually harass women, particularly powerful men who have huge senses of entitlement and think they're above rules. And a lot of powerful men do feel that way. On both sides of the aisle.

[steve2470]

57. I agree

If I was a woman who had been sexually harassed, I would speak up right now if I could. Who knows what the climate may be in 6 months or a year or two years ?

The Republicans will eventually get their turn.

[anneboleyn]

24. They also are keeping the hideous tax plan (financial destruction plan) out of the news. That has

certainly helped the republicans get closer and closer to passing this monster. Whatever the timing (and the stories seem to be very legitimate but the timing is definitely bad) the tax plan and it’s horrors are getting buried, and that is very unfortunate. People have no idea how bad it is and how it entails destroying Obama care among other things.

[doc03]

27. Just saying all this is sure convenient for the Republicans isn't it? They couldn't

have planed a better diversion on purpose.

[bdamomma]

45. Seems like

Bannon has something to do with all this.

[customerserviceguy]

42. Don't worry

It's all about playing the blame game now, when it comes to the tax bill. Whichever house of Congress kills it, that's the part that gets the blame. The final bill that comes out of a House-Senate conference committee might possibly get enough votes to pass, but it will die in the Senate, where it is impossible to get 50 of the now-serving GOP Senators to agree on anything.

And that works out for the House, because the GOP'ers can go back to their districts and say, "We did OUR job," and will not be blamed, whereas the Senate GOP'ers who didn't go along, well, most of them won't face re-election until 2020 and 2022, by which time, something done or not done in 2017 will seem like ancient history.

[doc03]

74. This bill will not die in the senate

[applegrove]

26. What is the old adage republican scandals are about money; democratic

scandals are about sex. Moore is not about sex but is about stalking and sexual assault.

[oberliner]

28. What an awful post

Just plain ugly.

[doc03]

29. What post is ugly? and why?

[oberliner]

30. These allegations are real and we should be applauding the bravery of the women coming forward

I find it really awful that some are casting aspersions on the fact that we are finally reaching a point where these men are being held accountable for their actions. It's a moment that is long overdue and it's not about politics.

[doc03]

31. Did you read where I said I am not saying they are lying. I think probably all

of them are telling the truth. I just think it is kind of odd that all these people just happen to be
connected with the same people Trump considers enemies. This has taken Roy Moore and the tax ripoff
out of the news real convenient I would say. Probably all of them are getting what they deserve.

[oberliner]

32. Fair enough

Honestly, though, I do not believe there is any relationship between the two things. I think we are just in a period where this is finally coming to light, and there is a snowball effect happening - which I am very glad about.

Now if only Trump could be held accountable for his own transgressions.

[doc03]

33. It would make my day if something come out about Hannity! nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

35. What a ghoulish and nasty thing to wish

That would mean someone was abused or attacked.

This is all just a game to you, isn’t it?

[bdamomma]

47. or Rush too

I will keep on saying it, the repigs love child molesters and predators of women. That is why that pu**y grabber is squatting in the WH.

[mcar]

36. Matt Lauer is a Trump whipping boy?

Really? Do tell.

[VOX]

43. Who orchestrates the timing of all the accusations?

Because they seem to be rolled out strategically, as a diversionary tactic.

Note: Not saying that the accusations aren’t genuine; they very well could be authentic. It’s only the timing of their rollout I question.

[secondwind]

46. It is because of the #MeToo movement. n/t

[BannonsLiver]

53. Yep

Normal women say: #MeToo

Right wing women say: Stand by your man. Party first. To the fucking grave.

[RealityChik]

56. It seems that #MeToo was been weaponized!

My bet is on Steve Bannon, after Roger Stone bragged it being "Al Franken's turn" in a tweet hours before the Franken story broke. All bankrolled by the Mercers.

[brooklynite]

48. Trashing...Conspiracy Theories belong in Creative Speculation

[Jakes Progress]

55. "The GOP tax is . . . oooh look: Shiny.

[-je]

58. Kushner

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/19/nyregion/major-donor-admits-hiring-prostitute-to-smear-witness.html

[MrsCoffee]

63. What the fuck?

Are you accusing these women who are coming forward of being hired prostitutes?

How is the article you’ve linked relative?

I really wish people would think twice before posting.

[-je]

66. past history of sex scandal as a weapon

Sometimes people can't see beyond their own headlights when driving.

Charles Kushner used a sex scandal tactic that just happened to be hiring a prostitute to try to stop witness testimony.

Key similarity is sex and scandal.

It's odd that some of the sex harassment scandals are targeted at the folks that the WH has targeted for disdain. Not saying that the events described by the news investigation didn't happen, but maybe some of the accusations could have been pushed by the WH. Then again maybe not. It is odd there's a huge flood of accusations in that vain...

[Meowmee]

60. Agree

Something is wrong here. I don’t think it’s a good thing or that it will help women overall because we are seeing a public witch hunt without due process and people should be alarmed.

[Dulcinea]

61. I don't doubt any of these allegations.

But I can't help but think money was a factor as well. I'm sure NBC was glad to dump Lauer's $25 million contract.

Charlie Rose was probably making good money, too. Plus, he's 75. PBS was probably hoping he'd retire so they could find someone who would work cheaper.

[Meowmee]

69. You could be right

But what’s really under attack here is our democracy and I believe this is part of the attack on it.

[Orrex]

64. Regarding Keillor

Never in my life have I had an opportunity to "accidentally" slip my hand under a female coworker's shirt to touch her bare skin while attempting to "pat her on the back."

And I frankly don't care for his flippant dismissal of the incident, either. He said something like "I thought we were friends until I heard from her lawyer."

Sorry, Gary, but maybe she likewise thought that you and she were friends until you stuck your hand up her shirt.

[ColoradoBlue]

65. You know what's rotten?

Yes, there's something rotten here. What's rotten is the countless men who have gotten away with harassing and assaulting women since, literally, time began.

We've been told that we're overreacting. He doesn't mean anything by it. She asked for it. What were you wearing at the time? Well, it's a "he said, she said" so we're going to have to go with him. The message is always, always...stay quiet and don't rock the boat because no one will believe you anyway.

But since the Harvey Weinstein news broke, it's giving women (and some men) the courage to rock (and possibly capsize) that damn boat. Years and years of frustration and not being heard are bubbling to the surface. What we're seeing right now is change. And change is often uncomfortable and doesn't always happen at the time when it's most convenient for us. So somehow it's easier to blame outside forces for orchestrating something sinister than believe that this type of sea change could happen spontaneously because millions of women are just sick and tired of this shit and we've finally got a platform to talk about it.

Anyone who truly believes and supports women should be applauding that this stuff is coming out...period...and we are FINALLY having a national conversation about it.

[Orsino]

67. "Why did these women wait until now to come forward?"

That had better not be our default excuse, because it sure as hell is the GOP's.

[karynnj]

68. Well - before Moore, there seemed to be an endless number of Fox people were accused

Looking for a list of all the Fox people who were accused, I found instead a more comprehensive list than the one you listed. Most on the left, but not all. (The Fox ones were before Weinstein) http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/29/list-of-men-in-media-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/

[LanternWaste]

71. The opening salvos of a mutually assured destruction are here.

The opening salvo of a Mutually Assured Destruction among powerful sexual predators is here.

The knowledge of these incidents is not uncommon among the halls of power, and the only insurance many of these men posses from being exposed by their peers is that they can often expose the peers who would expose them for the same reasons as well.

The window to a dank, smoke-filled room has been cracked open, and if it's not closed quickly, Republican and Democrat, conservative and progressive, hated and loved men will all take a great fall without regard to party loyalty or ideology.

Approximately 75% of all women in the workplace have experienced sexual harassment (source: CDC). It would be a stunning ignorance of human history (at best) to presume the majority of these predators are wed to one or another ideology.

[Oneironaut]

72. Sorry, but the tortured logic here is becoming absurd.

The “conspiracy” charges against any inconvenient news is hackish. Our party, and the people in it, are not perfect. It is entirely possible that all of the allegations are true.

In that case, why would we want to be associated with them anyways? We’ll replace them with decent Democrats who won’t further contribute to the bleeding of morals in this country.

[Ninga]

77. I would not want to be the target of slanderous claims. Thus, I am tortured by the strange logic

applied with a broad brush.

Not all claims are true, yet we are expected to give credence to each and everyone.


Franken: admitted Republican and anonymous claims do not add up. It smells of a hit job.

[doc03]

76. You all can reply if you want but I will no longer play your stupid games.

There was absolutely nothing in my post saying I doubted any of these women. I said I believe them.
The point of it was that it seems odd that all of these accusations are against people connected to
what trump calls the fake media, Democrats and the entertainment industry. But "no" people here want to use it
to attack. I still think the right wingers are behind some of these accusations especially the ones about Al Franken.