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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 04:41 PM Nov 2017

Are we heading toward the day when employers stop offering benefits like healthcare?

Benefits are offered to attract talent. In union jobs, they are bargaining chips that allow employers to save a bit on wage raises.

With the Rs destroying the middle class and along with it the idea that employers owe anything to their employees, how long before benefits are a thing of the past for most workers? Plenty of people are stuck in”just be glad you even have a job” situations. It’s much easier to screw people out of benefits when they fear losing their job.

We are moving to a system where the majority of workers are underpaid and underemployed, with a minority of obscenely wealthy people laughing at the rest of us.

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Are we heading toward the day when employers stop offering benefits like healthcare? (Original Post) stopbush Nov 2017 OP
We are becoming like pre-revolutionary France Siwsan Nov 2017 #1
I imagine there are a few countries that would loan us their guillotines n/t Horse with no Name Nov 2017 #12
We Are Moving To A Contract Itinerant Worker Economy. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2017 #2
You bet they will! It's only waiting on the repeal of the ACA. The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #3
I would say we definitely are. Nt raccoon Nov 2017 #4
It has been happening already Yonnie3 Nov 2017 #5
I hope so when it comes to healthcare. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #6
That's the ideal situation. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #7
This has been one of the Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #8
Actually, we are heading toward the day when you can *only* get health insurance from your employer. dawg Nov 2017 #9
And there will be no full time jobs, so you don't get benefits MiniMe Nov 2017 #10
You betcha blueinredohio Nov 2017 #11

Siwsan

(26,263 posts)
1. We are becoming like pre-revolutionary France
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 04:42 PM
Nov 2017

These are terrifying times for us, now, and perhaps even more terrifying for "them", later.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
2. We Are Moving To A Contract Itinerant Worker Economy.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 04:43 PM
Nov 2017

You work under contract like actors or independent contractors. There is no employer and you pay for all your own benefits. You get a fixed stipend.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
3. You bet they will! It's only waiting on the repeal of the ACA.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 04:44 PM
Nov 2017

After that it's going to be completely up to you.

Yonnie3

(17,442 posts)
5. It has been happening already
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 04:57 PM
Nov 2017

Companies hire a lot of contractors now days. During my job search in 2005 and 2006 the offers I got in engineering and manufacturing were as an un-benefited contractor. I also see that colleges hire mostly adjunct faculty also an un-benefited position.

All of the variable labor in the factory I worked in was through temp agencies beginning in the mid 90s. All the janitorial staff went from employees to work for an outside agency. Half of the year the variable labor worked a full time schedule as did the janitorial staff all year. No benefits for them.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. I hope so when it comes to healthcare.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 04:59 PM
Nov 2017

The two should not be connected. We need to head toward a tax funded system of healthcare payments. Healthcare cannot be a right and a bargaining tool for employment.

That said, I currently provide healthcare for all of my employees. I shouldn't be. It's a small company and two of them wouldn't have it if I didn't. It costs me time, efficiency, and cuts into profit sharing at a greater extent every single year.

"We are moving to a system where the majority of workers are underpaid and underemployed, with a minority of obscenely wealthy people laughing at the rest of us."

It's not hyperbole to say we are currently in that position.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
7. That's the ideal situation.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 05:01 PM
Nov 2017

Healthcare should not be for the employed only, it should be a right of every citizen.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. This has been one of the
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 05:10 PM
Nov 2017

GOP's Corner Stones since 1974. This was thrown on the table by Nixon's NLRB Rep during Teamster National Labor Pack negotiations. So we in the Labor movement have seen the gradual corrosion of Employer Provide or Negotiated Health and Welfare Benefits . Expect this to be a Hot Button issue in late 2019 and going into the 2020 Elections as a anti Democratic talking point.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
9. Actually, we are heading toward the day when you can *only* get health insurance from your employer.
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 05:13 PM
Nov 2017

Want to start your own business? Work for a smaller company? Retire early?

Well, screw you! You can't. We own your ass.

Your very life is in the hands of your large corporate employer. (owner)

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