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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:18 PM Dec 2017

***UNBELIEVABLE***FLYNN WILL TESTIFY CANDIDATE TRUMP INSTRUCTED HIM TO WORK WITH RUSSIA






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More ABC News Retweeted ABC News
MORE: Michael Flynn "is prepared to testify...against Pres. Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House," @BrianRoss reports. http://abcn.ws/2AhU3Iq

JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." http://abcn.ws/2AhU3Iq




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***UNBELIEVABLE***FLYNN WILL TESTIFY CANDIDATE TRUMP INSTRUCTED HIM TO WORK WITH RUSSIA (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 OP
Whoa ! C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #1
DITTO onetexan Dec 2017 #13
Get thee to the Greatest Page n/t AmericanActivist Dec 2017 #2
Maybe I'll pop that bottle of champagne I've been hoarding The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #3
I finally gave in sometime cilla4progress Dec 2017 #8
"General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it." dalton99a Dec 2017 #4
Robert Mueller III is our hero FakeNoose Dec 2017 #67
Love that meme, liberalla Dec 2017 #68
Here's another good one :-) FakeNoose Dec 2017 #70
Yes indeed! Excellent!!! liberalla Dec 2017 #75
Gang members stick together-------until they don't! Doitnow Dec 2017 #111
. eleny Dec 2017 #5
Ohhh yeahhh!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #76
IMHO Flynn has no reason to hold back on anything BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #6
Now that he's injured Trump, he must ensure Trump is taken down completely. lagomorph777 Dec 2017 #78
But, but, check out the Fox headline! JenniferJuniper Dec 2017 #7
BWA HA HA HA HA HA. Desperation Roland99 Dec 2017 #12
But... CLINTON!!! Oneironaut Dec 2017 #62
The Deplorables are going to be so surprised when they wake up one morning lagomorph777 Dec 2017 #79
Wait, what's illegal about that exactly? Ligyron Dec 2017 #9
Interfering with the election came from Don Ill Dong himself & entire campaign. Likely GOP too. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #35
Yep... IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2017 #112
It doesn't go down through the line of succession. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #113
Hatch says he is retiring... IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2017 #114
It's illegal to aid foreign gov'ts interference in American elections. Duppers Dec 2017 #72
Logan Act lagomorph777 Dec 2017 #81
Yes! MAGA! democrank Dec 2017 #10
"Ok, ok Mueller! Here's how Putin turned Trump into a traitor bastard and sold out America...." workinclasszero Dec 2017 #11
am I dreaming? orangecrush Dec 2017 #14
Reminds me of Watergate and John Dean YessirAtsaFact Dec 2017 #17
Welcome to D, YessirAtsaFact! calimary Dec 2017 #24
My roommate in college ran as a joke candidate YessirAtsaFact Dec 2017 #27
It's beginning of middle of rolling up tRump criminal conspiracy. End is in sight. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #36
We're getting close! DesertRat Dec 2017 #48
The beginning of the end--we hope! nt ginnyinWI Dec 2017 #54
"I had too much to 'dream' last nite." 😋😄 sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #74
This? yonder Dec 2017 #84
Yeah, them. (Electric Prunes. 😝🤣😂) pRezidenshus poopypants. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #101
... orangecrush Dec 2017 #117
I love how careful they're being.... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #119
'Bandstand'. Rushed home from school to catch it. sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #140
The Byrds did it for me too. yonder Dec 2017 #143
Same here! orangecrush Dec 2017 #116
Hay now! sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #141
This makes me happy! ffr Dec 2017 #15
Excellent news!!!!!!!!! ailsagirl Dec 2017 #16
Yes and Hillary did win the election. triron Dec 2017 #18
I think that since there is an ongoing investigation, tax deform AllyCat Dec 2017 #57
They're going to pass this massive tax cut that so heavily benefits Donald Trump himself? bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #107
I'd love to know how things are at casa de Clinton. calimary Dec 2017 #99
Well this begs the question: Is THIS the weekend Shitler fires Mueller? Texin Dec 2017 #19
I would have to believe so. Still In Wisconsin Dec 2017 #23
Wants to declare Jerusalem is the Capitol if Israel os soon as Wednesday. Zoonart Dec 2017 #31
It might be too late HopeAgain Dec 2017 #37
Saturday night massacre coming this weekend?? workinclasszero Dec 2017 #110
Cutting to the chase, could this mean treason or collusion? RiverStone Dec 2017 #20
It wont be treason because were not at war with Russia and technically, EL34x4 Dec 2017 #25
Interference with the election is the crime. Conspiracy. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #38
Thanks Bernardo for offering your view! A question? RiverStone Dec 2017 #45
Thank you! triron Dec 2017 #80
I didn't put down RiverStone's post. I gave conditional agreement to the treason concept. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #109
Thanks EL34x4! One more question RiverStone Dec 2017 #43
Just thought of this: if RepubliCONs don't govern in coalition with Ds, hammer them in 2018 & 2020. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #46
Abraham Lincoln suggested a solution. triron Dec 2017 #87
That was Lincoln's solution Progressive dog Dec 2017 #98
Collusion Conspiracy VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #44
If he helped or asked for an information or psyops campaign against us you bet yer ass that's treaso moda253 Dec 2017 #61
Definitely! Duppers Dec 2017 #82
You bet. triron Dec 2017 #89
conspiring to do criminal acts is illegal tho right? isnt that the rico laws? questionseverything Dec 2017 #138
hope it is! triron Dec 2017 #139
MSNBC cilla4progress Dec 2017 #21
Will he be a credible witness? jayschool2013 Dec 2017 #22
And while it becomes certain the President is an actual traitor, he will tonight sign a bill Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #26
Jefferson suggested how. triron Dec 2017 #33
The bill still has to go through the house and senate confirm committees beaglelover Dec 2017 #52
If they are saying this angrychair Dec 2017 #28
MUELLER CHRISTMAS MFM008 Dec 2017 #29
#MerryMuellermas! alterfurz Dec 2017 #108
This is it! Wooohooo! aikoaiko Dec 2017 #30
My suggestion..... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #120
OMG CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN Renew Deal Dec 2017 #32
Better get that fixed. SergeStorms Dec 2017 #121
Since this was a completely illegitimate election, all the things 45 has signed should be AllyCat Dec 2017 #34
Only way for any of that to happen HopeAgain Dec 2017 #40
Oh I know that. Just think that is the way it OUGHT to be. AllyCat Dec 2017 #56
Agree 1,000,000,000,000% BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #41
Believe it! H2O Man Dec 2017 #39
Let the liberation begin. miyazaki Dec 2017 #42
K&R DesertRat Dec 2017 #47
Woot! Bells will be ringing! R B Garr Dec 2017 #49
That's not illegal. That's ordinary. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #50
Depends on at what point. moda253 Dec 2017 #63
Yeah, but that's a minor thing that no one has ever been prosecuted for. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #64
I'm Afraid you are correct highmindedhavi Dec 2017 #83
Sure hoping he gets a terminal case of Heartstrings Dec 2017 #51
That should disqualify everything that has happened since Nov 8, 2016 world wide wally Dec 2017 #53
It would be awesome FakeNoose Dec 2017 #66
And when 45* is gone we'll have Pence to deal with who's just as bad groundloop Dec 2017 #73
And the Electoral College.... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #122
The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution FakeNoose Dec 2017 #123
Uh, they didnt envision people voting for Senators, either jberryhill Dec 2017 #127
That's a good start. SergeStorms Dec 2017 #130
YES! Nitram Dec 2017 #55
ITS GOING TO BE A MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Takket Dec 2017 #58
KnR and lolz Hekate Dec 2017 #59
Trump lawyers trying to distance themselves now.... Adrahil Dec 2017 #60
Hopefully Game, Set, Match colsohlibgal Dec 2017 #65
OMG. I am SO happy! liberalla Dec 2017 #69
Me too...I LOVE YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #86
I hope they keep Flynn safe until he testifies. After that, I don't care. C Moon Dec 2017 #71
I believe ABC - the only network without a groper anchor (yet). lagomorph777 Dec 2017 #77
The name Trump to displace Benedict Arnold for the next 200 years!!!! JDC Dec 2017 #85
The article said Trump ordered him to contact Russia about defeating ISIS in Syria. Kablooie Dec 2017 #88
C.O.L.L.U.S.I.O.N. lark Dec 2017 #90
When?? Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #91
kick for visibility triron Dec 2017 #92
John Dean 2.0 paleotn Dec 2017 #93
kick again triron Dec 2017 #94
Listen to the LOCK HIM UP! chants on Time's video of Flynn as he comes out of the courthouse onetexan Dec 2017 #95
Schadenfreude is a wonderful thing! NastyRiffraff Dec 2017 #96
Not going to believe it yet . . Ghosts of Fitzmas past n/t Strelnikov_ Dec 2017 #97
Flynn's scalp is bigger than any scalp Patrick Fitzgerald got. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #100
Where does it say Trump instructed him to do anything? nt doc03 Dec 2017 #102
The article implies this all happened after the election ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #103
Hopefully this is the important needed domino jimlup Dec 2017 #104
I don't think this is going to get Trump. Wanting his people to talk about Isis with Ruskies Hoyt Dec 2017 #105
No wonder he sought Comey's loyalty bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #106
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Dec 2017 #115
k and r....nt Stuart G Dec 2017 #118
Contacts about fighting ISIS isn't going to get anyone thrown out of office. garybeck Dec 2017 #124
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #125
You sure are energized by this nothing burger MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #126
That's the question that MATTERS, isn't it? Nevernose Dec 2017 #132
Yes now that the interloper has been removed MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #133
This wasn't simply ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #128
Obstruction of justice or conspiracy - both are easier to prove than collusion FakeNoose Dec 2017 #131
+1 triron Dec 2017 #134
Candidate Trump or President-elect Trump? GusBob Dec 2017 #129
ABC made a correction after initial report was out .... it was President elect Trump Kathy M Dec 2017 #135
Well shit DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2017 #137
Yes see post 144 GusBob Dec 2017 #145
I have been trying to clarify this all day GusBob Dec 2017 #144
Thank you for having the courage to post the correction here............... quad489 Dec 2017 #147
ABC News took that back. applegrove Dec 2017 #136
I remember that tune--catchy one and apropos! 😃 sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #142
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #146

onetexan

(13,057 posts)
13. DITTO
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:22 PM
Dec 2017

i'm starting my vacation today and this is a great start. Would be the best XMAS gift ever if dotard was indicted

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,831 posts)
3. Maybe I'll pop that bottle of champagne I've been hoarding
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:21 PM
Dec 2017

since last November. I can always buy more for when Trump is indicted/impeached/is hauled out of the WH in a straight jacket.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
4. "General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it."
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:22 PM
Dec 2017

- Flynn’s attorney Robert Kelner, March 2017



 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
6. IMHO Flynn has no reason to hold back on anything
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:26 PM
Dec 2017

what does he gain from hedging or masking or playing coy with any info? Let me answer my own question. Flynn has absolutely no reason to hedge on anything. Open those damn flood gates Mr. Flynn. And let Trump vent by throwing another coffee pot or by having a stroke.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
78. Now that he's injured Trump, he must ensure Trump is taken down completely.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 04:18 PM
Dec 2017

That's Flynn's only hope for survival.

JenniferJuniper

(4,515 posts)
7. But, but, check out the Fox headline!
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 12:26 PM
Dec 2017
Secret emails detail FBI’s hunt for leaker after infamous Lynch-Clinton tarmac meeting.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
79. The Deplorables are going to be so surprised when they wake up one morning
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 04:19 PM
Dec 2017

and their beloved President Turd is gone.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,034 posts)
35. Interfering with the election came from Don Ill Dong himself & entire campaign. Likely GOP too.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:13 PM
Dec 2017

McCONnell knew to steal the Supreme Court seat by waiting til after the election.

Seems to have been dirty Russian money washed into the the GOP coffers, too.

Ryan's probably in on it. Preibus was too connected to not know. Nunes is involved in the coverup.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
112. Yep...
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:11 PM
Dec 2017

... hence my statements that the GOP will have a real hard time finding someone to take the VP spot when Pence resigns. President Orrin Hatch.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,034 posts)
113. It doesn't go down through the line of succession.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:13 PM
Dec 2017

President can name anybody to VP.

Gerald Ford was not in the line of succession when he was named VP.

Line of succession is only for simultaneous resignations / simultaneous wipeouts.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
114. Hatch says he is retiring...
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:19 PM
Dec 2017

... and taking the VP spot would be political suicide in my opinion. Hence the problems in finding any takers. Thanks for pointing out some details.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
72. It's illegal to aid foreign gov'ts interference in American elections.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 04:05 PM
Dec 2017

It's illegal to collude in a clandestine way in halting or eliminating sanctions.

This is just off the top of my head; there's much more.

There's probably enough info to use the T word in some cases.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
17. Reminds me of Watergate and John Dean
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:38 PM
Dec 2017

It wasn’t over immediately, but as soon as John Dean started cooperating, Nixon’s fall was just a matter of time

calimary

(81,443 posts)
24. Welcome to D, YessirAtsaFact!
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:57 PM
Dec 2017

LOL - love your screen name!

I remember that. "there was a cancer growing on the presidency..." and "it was growing more deadly every day." So spake he. This looks like they're moving into stage 4. Because if this is true, it takes Mueller's investigation all the way up to the top of the food chain. Which sounds pretty doggone yummy to me!

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
27. My roommate in college ran as a joke candidate
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

For student body president.

YessirAtsaFact was his fake name.

It was more relevant in 1976.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
119. I love how careful they're being....
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 09:43 PM
Dec 2017

to not actually touch their instruments/drums and make any actual "noise". American Bandstand, I remember it like it was yesterday. The first time I ever saw The Byrds was on A.B. They blew me away. I wanted to shuffle off to San Francisco immediately, although I waited two years until I finished High School. I took a "gap year" before starting College. It was the best move I ever made.

sprinkleeninow

(20,254 posts)
140. 'Bandstand'. Rushed home from school to catch it.
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 02:07 AM
Dec 2017

Forbid if I missed it. Still was dancing 'Bandstand' style up until I got rickety. (CT born and raised.)

Me and hub got complimented by a Greek yia-yia at a church function. We got carried away with the fun and dint realize we were being taken in like that. MB when he 'dipped' me it really got to her! [Not too shabby for a Slovak and a Swede. 😆]

I studied strictly ballet for nine years, and Russian instructor expected me to go pro in NYC. 💃I declined.

"Those were the days, were they not?"


AllyCat

(16,218 posts)
57. I think that since there is an ongoing investigation, tax deform
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:47 PM
Dec 2017

really should be held until the NEXT POTUS can sign it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,266 posts)
107. They're going to pass this massive tax cut that so heavily benefits Donald Trump himself?
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 06:18 PM
Dec 2017

The GOP really does want to OWN this?

Money makes it ok?

They will never live this down. Never.

This is Let Them Eat Cake & Only Rich People Pay Taxes combined!

calimary

(81,443 posts)
99. I'd love to know how things are at casa de Clinton.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:45 PM
Dec 2017

Champagne, anyone? Certainly with a little twist of schadenfreude, I'd guess.

Texin

(2,597 posts)
19. Well this begs the question: Is THIS the weekend Shitler fires Mueller?
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:41 PM
Dec 2017

I wouldn't be surprised. All I can say is, Flynn better stay in very close proximity to his house and not venture out into crowded cafes or busy streets, where certain Agents of a nameless foreign power can use the tip of an umbrella to poison him on the street. I'd be looking for a bunker somewhere underground and hiring a full time body guard and food taster if I were he.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
23. I would have to believe so.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:53 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Fri Dec 1, 2017, 03:48 PM - Edit history (1)

In fact, I would expect this to happen later today since it's a Friday. The only rub: I doubt Shitgibbon wants to take the focus off his imminent "win" on tax "reform."

RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
20. Cutting to the chase, could this mean treason or collusion?
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 01:42 PM
Dec 2017

I want to see accountability for working with Russia to cheat on the election.

In turn, a public recognition the 2016 results are invalid and subsequent actions to remove the tRump regime from power.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
25. It wont be treason because were not at war with Russia and technically,
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:01 PM
Dec 2017

There’s no crime known as collusion except in narrowly-defined anti-trust cases.

Calling this “collusion” has always been a mistake. What Mueller is looking for are crimes such as obstruction and providing false statements.

There’s no process to nullify the election.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,034 posts)
38. Interference with the election is the crime. Conspiracy.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:18 PM
Dec 2017

We're not at war with Russia, but they are not an ally. They are an adversary.

Would have been treason in the Cold War. Could be treason in the A Little Bit Cold War II we are now in.

Reports in previous days said Mueller threatened Flynn and Flynn Jr with capital crimes (can only mean treason) as pressure for a plea bargain.

RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
45. Thanks Bernardo for offering your view! A question?
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017

Please see my post below on-- restitution -- to the American people. I'm seeking an answer to that question and would appreciate your read.

RiverStone

(7,228 posts)
43. Thanks EL34x4! One more question
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:22 PM
Dec 2017

Appreciate the legal clarity. I know there is no provision in the constitution to nullify an election, however we have also never seen this kind of sweeping corruption from a US President. Even Richard Nixon kept his criminal activity limited to US players.

My question is what is the (((restitution))) to American citizens? Let's say tRump and Pence are impeached, Flynn, Jared, etc. are locked up. We still have SCOTUS appointment that never should have happened, Obama Executive Orders that never should have been reversed, environmental regulations that never should have been relaxed.

Minus throwing all the bums in jail, who pays We The People back for selling us a false bill of goods (election results)?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,034 posts)
46. Just thought of this: if RepubliCONs don't govern in coalition with Ds, hammer them in 2018 & 2020.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:30 PM
Dec 2017

Demand that Hillary chooses the next Supreme Court Justice and that Democratic politicians have big say in the Pence lame duck Administration.

Lame duck until Pence is indicted, as I think he will be.

triron

(22,019 posts)
87. Abraham Lincoln suggested a solution.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 04:29 PM
Dec 2017

I believe he said it is their right as well.
"Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better." Question is what constitutes "rise up and shake off".

ABRAHAM LINCOLN, speech in the United States House of Representatives, January 12, 1848

 

moda253

(615 posts)
61. If he helped or asked for an information or psyops campaign against us you bet yer ass that's treaso
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:54 PM
Dec 2017

If he helped or asked for an information or psyops campaign against us you bet yer ass that's treason!

Not all wars and warfare involve bullets and it's time people wake up to that fact.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
82. Definitely!
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 04:22 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Fri Dec 1, 2017, 07:18 PM - Edit history (1)

There have been Americans sent to prison for the crime of lying about their cooperation with a foreign power, at war or not. The big Question then is: Why lie?

"Collusion is an agreement between two or more parties, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair market advantage."


This could be applied to governmental policies, elections, foreign relationships around the world (American business dealings with Russia or policies in general with Israel). Flynn must have thought so when he lied.

MSNBC is saying there's an underlying story and that is "collusion" with Russia in the presidential election and removing sanctions.

There's an excellent, MUST-READ thread on this here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029909294


Implications is that there's not only lying and a violation of the Logan Act, but big Obstruction of Justice charges.

Note that many in the press are ignoring the fact that Flynn was "colluding"/ "engaging in conspiracy" with Russia to circumvent sanctions laws while Obama was president. It was a crime then. He was not representing that part of the U.S. gov't then, therefore, this was done in more than just murky waters.





Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
26. And while it becomes certain the President is an actual traitor, he will tonight sign a bill
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

that will devastate Americans.

Almost all of us.

And he and they will get away with it.

I think we need to make some major fucking changes

beaglelover

(3,488 posts)
52. The bill still has to go through the house and senate confirm committees
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:42 PM
Dec 2017

there won't be a bill signing tonight but there will be one before xmas. Sucks.

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
28. If they are saying this
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:04 PM
Dec 2017

And he got the deal he got to only plead guilty to lying than HE HAS ALREADY TESTIFIED AGAINST TRUMP TO THE GRAND JURY

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
120. My suggestion.....
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 09:56 PM
Dec 2017

public hangings in LaFayette Park, across from the White House. No mercy, no quarter. Let the punishment fit the crime. How many people have died because of this traitorous bastard and his cohorts? They, and the people of our country, deserve retribution.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
121. Better get that fixed.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 09:58 PM
Dec 2017

I get the feeling there will great need of a 'Caps Lock' button in the future.

AllyCat

(16,218 posts)
34. Since this was a completely illegitimate election, all the things 45 has signed should be
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:13 PM
Dec 2017

null and void.

Gorsuch, the coming tax scam, his horrible and illegal executive orders, banning transgendered military personnel...all of it.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
40. Only way for any of that to happen
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

(except Gorsuch, we're screwed with Gorsuch) is for the Republicans to lose big time in 2018. Otherwise there is no process to nullify anything.

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
41. Agree 1,000,000,000,000%
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

If the fucking moron told Flynn to get Russia involved then that is treason.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
50. That's not illegal. That's ordinary.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:40 PM
Dec 2017

As Trump himself said, even if Flynn hadn't discussed sanctions w/Russia, Trump would have directed him to do that, because that was his job.

There is nothing illegal about Trump directing Flynn to "work with Russia."

The devil is in the details. Work with Russia to what end? For what result? To do what? In what way?

Sounds to me like Flynn is soft balling it so far. I don't see anything here to get excited about. Nothing leading to Trump doing anything illegal, except the obstruction charges, which don't involve Flynn.

Flynn says he was instructed to get with Russia to tamp down their response to the U.S. sanctions against Russia being announced, because the admin. wants a good relationship with Russia. That's not illegal...and doesn't sound like the truth, either. I recall reading at the time that the conversation was more like, "Hold on for now and wait...we're going to kill those sanctions."

 

moda253

(615 posts)
63. Depends on at what point.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:59 PM
Dec 2017

If it was before inauguration, and especially before winning the election, talking to them about any sort of deals or policy could be illegal.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
64. Yeah, but that's a minor thing that no one has ever been prosecuted for.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 03:04 PM
Dec 2017

It depends on WHAT he was supposed to "work on," and we haven't heard that yet, as far as I know.

I can only think and hope that Mueller wouldn't let Flynn basically walk unless there's something big there.

But it's possible that Flynn is going to be the scapegoat. The one thrown to the crowds. And there won't be enough evidence to get anyone else.

FakeNoose

(32,737 posts)
66. It would be awesome
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 03:30 PM
Dec 2017

...but unfortunately it's not gonna happen that way.

The next President (whoever he or she may be) will have the daunting task of undoing all the damage that's been done in the last year. We can't undo Gorsuch, but the other stuff can and should be changed and improved. FOR SURE we need to revamp the Constitution, especially the 25th Amendment, so that other provisions are spelled out. We can't allow a situation like this to ever happen again.

I remember Watergate and all the stuff that happened and how it seemed to take forever. Really it was less than 2 years but it seemed like eternity. This (getting Trump out of office) is going to happen much more quickly I think.

Mueller is our hero!

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
122. And the Electoral College....
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:02 PM
Dec 2017
MUST be abolished. They had one job, and that was to keep someone like Trump away from the reins of the Presidency. They were an abject failure in that respect.

FakeNoose

(32,737 posts)
123. The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:36 PM
Dec 2017

...had no concept of anyone like Trump ever being ALLOWED to run for office, and then WINNING!

Yes I agree that things need to be changed, and I mentioned it in my earlier post. I was referring to revising the 25th Amendment and also the Electoral College which will mean another Amendment. They usually take a lot of time because they must be ratified by 38 states out of 50. That's after both houses of Congress vote on them.

Also on our To-Do list: (1) Paper Ballots for every election. (2) End gerrymandering and redraw all congressional districts after the 2020 census. (3) Make it impossible (or illegal) for highest elected officals to use Twitter for official communication.

I'll think of more, just give me a minute.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
60. Trump lawyers trying to distance themselves now....
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 02:52 PM
Dec 2017

So Flynn has no reason to be loyal to Trump. This is looking BAD for Mango Jeebus.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
65. Hopefully Game, Set, Match
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 03:23 PM
Dec 2017

Lock HIM up!

That would leave us with our creepy, in another way, VP in office....Pence being a religious delusional who dismisses science. But while he is misguided about a lot, he will be quieter about it.

Please, please people show up to vote in 2018, let’s take this country back before it is too late to do so.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
88. The article said Trump ordered him to contact Russia about defeating ISIS in Syria.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 04:31 PM
Dec 2017

That in itself is not a criminal act.

We'll see what more there is to it as things develop.

lark

(23,155 posts)
90. C.O.L.L.U.S.I.O.N.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 04:33 PM
Dec 2017

Or conspiracy to cooperate with a foreign country to effect America's election? whichever way they describe it, drumpf looks to be in for a very bad time, hopefully as much as he has earned with his traitorous, criminal, fraudulent, racist, misogynistic actions and lies.

onetexan

(13,057 posts)
95. Listen to the LOCK HIM UP! chants on Time's video of Flynn as he comes out of the courthouse
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:12 PM
Dec 2017
http://time.com/5045291/michael-flynn-donald-trump-russia-investigation-robert-mueller/?xid=homepage

Remember how Flynn led the chants against Hillary?
How sweet the irony now that he will be the one to be locked up.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
100. Flynn's scalp is bigger than any scalp Patrick Fitzgerald got.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:47 PM
Dec 2017

It would be tantamount to Fitzgerald having got Condoleeza Rice to plead guilty to a felony.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
103. The article implies this all happened after the election
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 05:53 PM
Dec 2017

So not election interference, at least the way I read it. Doesn’t mean he didn’t violate the Logan Act though

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
105. I don't think this is going to get Trump. Wanting his people to talk about Isis with Ruskies
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 06:06 PM
Dec 2017

shortly before he takes office, will not sink Trump. This was after the election, unless I'm missing something. There has to be something else to get Trump.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
124. Contacts about fighting ISIS isn't going to get anyone thrown out of office.
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 10:50 PM
Dec 2017

it has to be about the election

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MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
126. You sure are energized by this nothing burger
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:02 PM
Dec 2017

Why'd they all lie? Oh, cuz they PROMISED SANCTIONS WOULD BE LIFTED!! Not legal, not normal, and we've bagged 2 Trumpsters already. Rule of law. Read it.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
132. That's the question that MATTERS, isn't it?
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:46 PM
Dec 2017

I'm not sure what the deleted poster said, but I can guess. I had the same thoughts. These are almost completely innocuous statements? These statements don't prove collusion in any meaningful form?

But you ask the important question: If these statements are essentially meaningless, then why did he lie about them? Why did Flynn lie -- over and over again - about whether or not he made those statements?

The only logical answer is: There's more to it. Those statements were so innocuous that virtually any halfway decent defense attorney could have gotten at least a hung jury on whether they "counted" as lies to the Feds.

("Innocuous" is Seth Abramason's word, by the way, and not mine)

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
133. Yes now that the interloper has been removed
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:56 PM
Dec 2017

I can talk rationally. Couldn't resist childish taunting.

Why lie? Is definitely the intruiging question.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
128. This wasn't simply
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:03 PM
Dec 2017

speaking to foreign leaders, but actively undermining the policies of President Obama. i agree it doesn't show collusion. Personally think Trump's downfall will be obstruction of justice.

FakeNoose

(32,737 posts)
131. Obstruction of justice or conspiracy - both are easier to prove than collusion
Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:36 PM
Dec 2017

Mueller knows how to go about this, I have complete trust in that guy.

I'm pretty sure he has a copy of the audiotape that was personally handed to Putin, with Cheeto promising Putin that he would abolish the sanctions if he gets elected. (It was mentioned in the Steel dossier.) quid pro quo.

Also Manafort & Trump made sure that the Republican Party platform had the resolution to help the Ukraine REMOVED from the final draft, before it was published. That was another quid pro quo.

It's going to be very hard to prove that Russians hacked our voting machines, but there are certainly a lot of highly unlikely coincidences in several key swing states. And guess what - those states all suddenly went for Trump at the last minute. Will we ever prove the Russians did it? I don't know know but I sure hope so. Our elections must all be held on paper ballots from now on until we can be sure the Russians have no way to hack the voting machines.

Mueller already has enough to prove conspiracy on Trump and these guys. Obstruction of Justice - yeah he probably has that too. Trump committed perjury when he took the oath of office and swore on the Bible to uphold the Constitution. We're all witnesses.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
135. ABC made a correction after initial report was out .... it was President elect Trump
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 12:15 AM
Dec 2017

"Correction: During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign. That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots. It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS. "

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-flynn-charged-making-false-statements-fbi-documents/story?id=50849354

I was not going to post but I think the thread should be corrected since you asked......

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,926 posts)
137. Well shit
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 12:45 AM
Dec 2017

That changes things. Candidate trump ordering Flynn to talk to a foreign power is very much different then President-Elect Trump ordering Flynn to talk to a foreign power.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
144. I have been trying to clarify this all day
Sat Dec 2, 2017, 07:16 AM
Dec 2017

The FBI stories all mention the date 12/29/16, transition time

While this is an important distinction at this point, it becomes apparent that they have only charged Flynn with one thing and offered the deal on a slew of other charges so it could go either way.

So right now they have the rat in the trap during transition time. It could very well be that more info will come out which will bring the candidate Trump into the trap

To me, collusion during the campaign is what I want investigated most. Hopefully Flynn has the goods on that

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