Voters sure do have short memories

[Orangeutan]

Like--48 hours short.

Trump's Gallup numbers peaked (or cratered) at 62-33 two days ago (tying his all-time marks for high disapproval and low approval), shortly after the Flynn plea deal broke. Then yesterday they fell off to 61-34, and today 60-35. Voters are already normalizing this. Same thing happened a month ago with the Manafort indictment. Sadly, I expect in the next week Trump's Gallup ratings will go back to what they have hovered around for months. What will it take to break through voters' obdurate skulls?

[spanone]

1. I couldn't care less about his deplorables.

fuck them

[Orrex]

4. I agree. Fuck every last one of them.

Until they recant and pledge never again to vote Republican, then I don't want to hear another word out of their idiot fuckhead mouths.

[n2doc]

2. When the economy tanks

And it will. When the shit hits people directly and they lose their jobs, you will see that last 35% of deluded idiots finally break. But it will take things hitting their lives directly before it happens.

[maxsolomon]

3. They're as low as they can go.

1/3 would approve if he raped a woman on live TV.

They signed on for the Stigginit, and they think he's doing great. Just ask your relatives.

[jaysunb]

5. +1 n/t

[Yonnie3]

6. As long as Faux is their source for "news" they don't need memories.

Faux reports such things as unimportant, then go to whatabouts. Then spin , spin, spin.

[Orangeutan]

11. Interesting. So what I take from this is...

that some portion of voters are initially swayed by breaking developments in the news to form a new opinion or conclusion (hence the 62-33 high water mark over the weekend), but then Fox--or other right-wing outlets--kick into high gear and actually are able to persuade these recent converts to give up their new opinion and revert to their previously held position. In other words, their briefly held new position is shaky enough that Fox is able to undermine and reverse it.

[Yonnie3]

15. Yes, to a large extent.

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My main point is until Faux (as well as other media giving "the other side" air time) start cracking down, there will not be a big change. The bull crap needs to be challenged and until it is, not much will happen to that 30 odd percent approval.

Other thoughts:

Gallup says the margin of error is +/- three points. It moved up seven and then down two. A movement of six points is within the margin of error. It is hard to say that there was an important move up in disapproval. We need to wait and see.

I tend to look at these as net approval ratings, approve less disapprove. Also, I look at undecided, 100 less approve less disaprove.

Net approval was -17, -29, -25 lets see where this is later in the week.
Undecided was 7, 5, 5. this is a small number of undecideds

A year ago I would have downloaded their data and had some thoughts about strongly approve vs. approve vs. undecided if that data was available.

[Fullduplexxx]

7. Yep

[RhodeIslandOne]

10. This is great

I run into Trump idiots and tell them this.

They don't like it too much.

[RhodeIslandOne]

8. 3 percentage points is statistical noise.

It's pretty clear that about 35-38% of this country are fucking idiots either way.

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

13. My personal experiences, the past 20-30 years

Tell me the the fucking idiots number closer to just under 50%. Mid to high 40's, IMO.

JMO.

[mythology]

9. Or you don't understand margin of error

Trying to read a poll day to day is folly.

[Orangeutan]

12. Well, you watch where it goes in coming days, then.

Same phenomenon happened after Manafort.

[Egnever]

14. You don't think the tax cuts will have an effect?

These things are not happening in a vacuum and from everything i am reading people are way more pissed about the tax bill than anything else that has happened to this point.

This tax bill wreaks havoc on the republican base and everything they supposedly voted for trump for.

[Orangeutan]

16. From your lips to God's ears.

I hope they are pissed. They should be. And I hope some of them live in Alabama, too.