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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 11:18 PM Dec 2017

House Republicans Already Shooting Down Tax Bills Promises

Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) got assurances for their votes. Someone forgot to clear it with conservatives in the other chamber.

House conservatives are already indicating that they're prepared to block some of the key legislative promises that Senate Republicans demanded in exchange for their vote on tax reform legislation.

Those promises materialized in the frantic final hours of the tax debate last week, as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) gave Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Jeff Flake (R-AZ) assurances that some of their personal legislative priorities would be dealt with in exchange for their votes.

Collins said she received a promise that the Senate would consider two bipartisan pieces of legislation that would ostensibly mitigate the negative effects that could come from the tax bill’s repeal of Obamacare’s individual mandate. Flake said he received a “firm commitment from Senate Leadership and the administration” to work on a permanent protections for the soon-to-be-ended Obama-era program that shields children of undocumented immigrants.

Both senators ended up voting for the tax bill, giving it the 51 “yes” votes it needed to pass. Within days, however, reality began setting in that those promises might have been flimsy at best.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/house-republicans-already-shooting-down-tax-bills-promises
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House Republicans Already Shooting Down Tax Bills Promises (Original Post) spanone Dec 2017 OP
The question is does the Senate get to vote on the reconciliation again? still_one Dec 2017 #1
Yes. It has to. Only would have gone to trump if not changed by the house Roland99 Dec 2017 #10
Then there is a chance it can still go down. Thanks still_one Dec 2017 #11
Yes. Unless the House votes on the exact same bill as they did with the ACA. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #12
Then there might be a chance, and Collins and maybe a couple of other republicans will still_one Dec 2017 #13
I think the only chance is to pass the bill that came out of the house without changes. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #14
Then I hope they are toast still_one Dec 2017 #15
They may be because unless the bill is changed. Corporations will pay more than most do Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #16
I certainly hope this buries them, and forces them into retirement in 2018 still_one Dec 2017 #19
I do too. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #20
Yes titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #17
Lies, lies, and more lies... pbmus Dec 2017 #2
Guess she can buy a new car Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2017 #8
Who could have imagined that they were being lied to??? Maeve Dec 2017 #3
If the bill changes at all from the Senate version, the Senate votes again. marylandblue Dec 2017 #4
What was it about "Yeah, yeah, sure whatever" that had Collins, McCain and Flake so convinced?? n/t Beartracks Dec 2017 #5
Ha! Iris Dec 2017 #7
No doubt the plain stuffed envelope.... unblock Dec 2017 #9
Someone woke up with fleas. C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #6
Why would anyone believe Mitch McConnell? One day he believes women, the next day he's a pedo-fan. Vinca Dec 2017 #18

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
12. Yes. Unless the House votes on the exact same bill as they did with the ACA.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:42 AM
Dec 2017

They can change nothing.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
13. Then there might be a chance, and Collins and maybe a couple of other republicans will
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:50 AM
Dec 2017

Change their vote when they realize that they have been lied to by McConnel, and the assurances they were given were deceptions

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
14. I think the only chance is to pass the bill that came out of the house without changes.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:06 AM
Dec 2017

If the Senators vote for that bill, they are toast...deservedly.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
16. They may be because unless the bill is changed. Corporations will pay more than most do
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 08:28 AM
Dec 2017

now...20%. There is an error in the bill...and they cant' change it without a new votes...and this is a very tough vote for both the House and the Senate...we need to call and bury them with our displeasure.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
17. Yes
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 08:36 AM
Dec 2017

Basically the House will come up with whatever it decides to do with the Senate passage. They will approve some things, strike others (like the promises in the article.) Usually internally they will work with the Senate quietly so they can try to get on the same page.

A few things. 1. I don;t think the House will budge much on their original proposal. In some ways it was much further away than the Senate side and more harsh in general to the middle class. It is hard to see how they will work those differences out where they get a majority in the House AND the Senate.

2. We can't stop calling offices, giving feedback, letters to editors, calling talk shows, etc. We MUST be vocal.

3. The more time that elapses the more time our elected officials can get a pissed off earful from constituents. That is good and it could kill this thing.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
2. Lies, lies, and more lies...
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 11:24 PM
Dec 2017


Cool, Cindy gets an extra $700 a year.

Except, Cindy will have to pay $350 per month toward student loans, and will no longer be able to deduct interest.

Oh, she’ll also have to pay $830 per month for healthcare for her and her two kids - that is, until her premium goes up because you’re trying to do away with the individual mandate. And then when she can’t afford health insurance anymore, she’ll no longer be able to deduct any out-of-pocket medical expenses.

Oh, and if Cindy gets a better job and needs to relocate, she’ll no longer be able to deduct moving expenses.

Oh, and if that new, better job wants to pay Cindy’s tuition to go back to school to earn a higher degree, that tuition will now be taxed as income.

Oh, and if Cindy is working at a college or university so that when her kids are old enough, they’d be able to attend tuition-free, their tuition will also now be taxed as income.

Oh, and if god forbid there’s a fire or flood and Cindy and her family experience any damage to their home, they can no longer deduct those losses.

So really, Paul, Cindy’s going to need that $700 just to begin to cover all the new bullshit you’re putting her family through, while you’re off giving actual substantial tax breaks to private jet owners.

Paul, from Cindy, and from so many of us, take that $700 and shove it up your spineless, intellectually dishonest libertarian ass.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,034 posts)
8. Guess she can buy a new car
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 11:41 PM
Dec 2017

And remodel half only of her kitchen since she doesn't get the full $1000 promised.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
3. Who could have imagined that they were being lied to???
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 11:28 PM
Dec 2017

Only all of us and anyone with half a memory....

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. If the bill changes at all from the Senate version, the Senate votes again.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 11:29 PM
Dec 2017

So if this article is correct, whatever comes out of committee will be rejected by either the House or the Senate.

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