Trump didn't give away government land in Utah.

[JohnnyRingo]

Your post office sits on government land, the national parks are our land. They belong to the people of The United States, like our stock in the country.

Trump basically took our land away from us and turned it over to the government to lease the mineral rights. We were robbed no less than if he literally carted the gold from Fort Knox and used it to build his wall.

[dchill]

1. Republicans really enjoy this type of behavior.

It is a character flaw they share. They consider it a strength.

[Corgigal]

13. And republican voters, or any voters at all

Will never see a dime. But hate away, cause feels.

[The Wielding Truth]

2. Since it is our land then they should tell us what they will do for the pubic in return for the use

how they will safeguard and repair any harm and what they intend to do with the profits and all plans should be in review by the native people and geologists which they should be made to pay for. There should be a term of use with local and federal oversight. Hey, it's or land!

[JohnnyRingo]

4. Unfortunately, it's no longer the people's land.

Trump unilaterally redrew the boundaries turning public land into unprotected government property. There's a difference.

Although politicians over the years have made changes, National Parks were originally meant to be free for all Americans to visit, because they belonged to us equally. Government land is used for administration purposes and is subject to leases and construction as politicians see apt.

[The Wielding Truth]

6. Still under government control though, right? We are the government, right? Then we can make the

rules for this land. Just because we turn over land to developers we can hold on to the uses and the designs of the development.

Am I missing something here?

[JohnnyRingo]

8. We control govt land through our legislators.

National Parks are sacred. Politicians are not supposed to meddle in them at all, at least as originally written. Ken Burns called them "America's best idea" I believe.

[hedda_foil]

14. Sorry. The billionaire donors own the government. We the people are out of luck.

[sandensea]

3. 'literally carted the gold from Fort Knox'

Dooon't give'em any ideas!

[JohnnyRingo]

5. I only hope there's a metal detector there.

That worker seems to be keeping a close eye on them, to say the least.

You know the Tangerine Nightmare had to quietly go there his first week considering his obsession with gold. I doubt he can control himself and I'm sure he believes it to be his. For all we know, he's been flying it to Russia for "safe keeping".

[sandensea]

7. You're not kidding.

Left to their own devices, these people would start printing money for their own personal use like Mobutu, the Shah of Iran, Uncle Vlad, or some other third world kleptocrat.

I'm sure it was crossing Mnuchin's mind as he signed the new dollar templates.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

10. My thought exactly! One would think gold reserve

@ Fort Knox is safe and secure, yet you never know.

[JohnnyRingo]

17. I'm counting on whistle blowers

Moving bullion out of Ft Knox is no small task. From the top of the coordinating agency to the lowest rank soldier who does the heavy lifting, there has to be someone who would step forth and rat him out.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

21. Tunnels! Sorry just being facetious...of course it

..would be an impossible feat. There are other ways to bankrupt America, and it can be done in plain sight--tax cuts for the very wealthy, bogus and frudulent projects..."the wall", bogus contracts such as white fish/puerto rico..and with the manipulation of the market. So either way America is screwed!

[KT2000]

9. the koch brothers

are getting everything they want. The people are gifting them with tax breaks and now the land for likely reduced rights. They will make their usual messes for us to clean up while they add to their billions.

[alarimer]

11. Yes, it belongs to all of us.

Don't worry, the Society for Vertebrate Paleontology is on the case.

http://vertpaleo.org/Society-News/SVP-Paleo-News/Society-News,-Press-Releases/Grand-Staircase-Escalante-and-Bears-Ears-National.aspx

SVP, in collaboration with several partner groups, will be taking legal action to block Trump’s cuts. Not only do we believe that key paleo resources will be endangered when they are removed from the monuments’ boundaries, but we believe that the President lacks the legal authority to reduce those boundaries. Loss of monument status endangers funding streams for paleontological research and exposes sites to damage or destruction from multiple-use activities, which could feasibly include ranching, mining, or shale gas extraction.
SVP’s concern for the integrity of these monuments grows out of our mission to “support and encourage the discovery, conservation, and protection of vertebrate fossils and fossil sites”. Our Society has advocated for protection of vertebrate fossils on US federal land since the 1980s, culminating in the Paleontological Resources Preservation Act of 2009. Regulations under this act have still not been published by the Department of Interior.
Maintaining the scientific integrity of the monuments is high priority for SVP. Society members were active proponents for the establishment of both monuments because of the unique paleontology that is now protected within their boundaries. Approximately 10% of SVP members have either actively engaged in long-term research at the Monument or have made short-term research visits for field trips or site visits. Of the 56 authors in the 2013 volume about Kaiparowits paleontology at Grand Staircase, 28 were SVP members. Similarly, 27 out of the 35 scientific papers published in the last year about the paleontology of Grand Staircase were authored by SVP members.

[2naSalit]

12. +1

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

15. A violation of the Public Trust Doctrine

It only dates back to the Roman emperor Justinian and the Magna Carta. A basic premise of civilized democracy. You remember civilized democracy don't you? It used to be this great thing. You should have been there.

[onenote]

16. Clive Bundy would probably agree with you. I don't.

I disagree wholeheartedly with Trump's decision to shrink the protected areas. But it's absurd to say that the land in question isn't "government" land. Public lands are managed by the government. It's why the government can limit grazing on some public lands and charge grazing fees in others. And its why the government can designate some areas as national parks and not designate others.

[JohnnyRingo]

18. Trump's move now opens the land for grazing.

It is now government land that can be leased for use by individuals and companies as our representatives see fit, including free range ranching.

As either a National Monument or National Park the land was protected against such contracts that the Bundys ignored anyway. Bundy seemed to think he could graze on any land not titled as private property. Like building a log cabin next to the post office.

[onenote]

20. Which I think is a terrible idea.

But the idea that the land is "ours" and that the government can't decide how it is to be used or not used, that's the Bundy's position.

[bluestarone]

19. is this a

complete done deal?? so as of today this tRump decision is final?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. Who's this "our," white man?

[JohnnyRingo]

23. hahaha

Did not see that coming. Good point.