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Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:15 PM Dec 2017

If Manafort were just an ordinary schmoe, where would he be right now?

My guess is treated to three hots and a cot as a guest of the federal government. He's facing a twelve count indictment with offenses that carry up to 20 years for each count on the money laundering charges. Any ordinary defendant would have had their bail revoked and been carted away already. Could you imagine if it was someone accused of drug dealing? Even some hapless accountant who had embezzled money from their clients would be in jail. Hell, even Bernie Kerik, the former NYCPD Commissioner (and nominee for Homeland Security Director) had his bail revoked for public statements he made before his trial. Why isn't Manafort in jail right now?

Check out what the government is saying in it's opposition to Manfort's motion to modify his bail. Total disregard for the orders of the court and a hubris that the law doesn't apply to him:

Even if the ghostwritten op-ed were entirely accurate, fair, and balanced, it would be a violation of this Court’s November 8 Order if it had been published. The editorial clearly was undertaken to influence the public’s opinion of defendant Manafort, or else there would be no reason to seek its publication (much less for Manafort and his long-time associate to ghostwrite it in another’s name). It compounds the problem that the proposed piece is not a dispassionate recitation of the facts.


and this:

Although the Court could potentially address some of the deficiencies, the defendant has now demonstrated that he is willing to violate a Court Order and the Pretrial Services admonitions that are a part of pretrial process. Cf. United States v. Kerik, 419 F. App’x 10, 14 (2d Cir. 2011) (unpublished) (noting that the defendant’s violation of a protective order “had caused the court to take the extraordinary action of revoking bail for a former Police Commissioner of the City of New York because it could no longer trust him to comply with court orders intended to ensure a fair and impartial jury”).


I'd love to know what was in that op-ed, but it is under seal right now. "Dear Editor, I'm writing to let everyone know how unfair it is to charge a great man like Paul Manfort with crimes......."

The government separately has filed a motion seeking permission to submit documentary evidence supporting this proffer under seal. We have not submitted it herein so as not to result in the full draft op-ed thereby becoming public.


Plus there are questions about the properties he put up for security. Finally, the government is comparing his conduct to Bernie Kerik and Vinnie "The Chin" Gigante. That's some serious company.

With respect to the proposed bail package, absent the new factual information, the government was going to request that the Court also: (1) make the bond forfeitable upon a breach of any condition of the defendant’s release, not just his failure to appear (a provision that is on the Court’s standard form but is not checked off in the submission made by the defense), see, e.g., United States v. Gigante, 85 F.3d 83, 85 (2d Cir. 1996) (per curiam); and (2) order that, each week, the defendant report to Pretrial Services where he will be located during the upcoming week, including details of any planned travel and where he will be staying; and (3) provide documentation as to the ownership of Summerbreeze LLC (the listed owner of the Bridgehampton property) and Jesand LLC (the listed owner of the Baxter Street property) so that the Court can be assured that all owners are consenting to the posting of the assets.


So I ask again, why isn't Manafort in jail right now?
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If Manafort were just an ordinary schmoe, where would he be right now? (Original Post) Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2017 OP
Absolutely a double standard ffr Dec 2017 #1
If he never got involved with Trump marylandblue Dec 2017 #2
He might not have had a choice. Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2017 #8
orange jump suit & getting a baloney sandwich for lunch. irisblue Dec 2017 #3
If it were any one of us we'd be under the jail by now. It reminds me of Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2017 #4
That is quite apropos of this situation. Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2017 #6
No shit I had cancer (very serious cancer) (25 years ago) gopiscrap Dec 2017 #5
Just Imagine If He Were A 16 Year-Old..... Laxman Dec 2017 #7

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. If he never got involved with Trump
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:19 PM
Dec 2017

He would have continued to fly under the radar for years. Working for Trump was the biggest mistake of his life.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
8. He might not have had a choice.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 05:05 PM
Dec 2017

He wasn't working with Trump, he was working with the Russians. Working with the Russians required him to work with Trump.

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
3. orange jump suit & getting a baloney sandwich for lunch.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:21 PM
Dec 2017

Money matters. Money talks. Money buys lawyers of varying talent levels.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
6. That is quite apropos of this situation.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:51 PM
Dec 2017

I had only seen the portion of that skit where he's pleading the 5th. It's dead on. It might be possible they wanted Manafort running free to see what stupid things he would do because he feels so bullet proof. Who else might he lead them to?

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
5. No shit I had cancer (very serious cancer) (25 years ago)
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 12:27 PM
Dec 2017

and because of it my insurance company dropped me like a hot potato and because of that I had to file bankruptcy and not only once but several times. In 1995 dollars I had amassed 173K of medical costs.
Because I violated the US Bankruptcy code...too many filings in a certain period (you're allowed one every 6 years) I did 4 in 7 years (the bankruptcies stopped all collection proceedings against me, usually for about 5-7 months at a time, plus the providers had to keep on treating me ) I was charged with violation of the Bankruptcy code. I have both a US and German passport and so when I was indicted for this and appeared for arraignment I was jailed right away. (we're talking about, after paying all I could $9,978.32 here)
so if I wasn't allowed to be pr'd or bailed (which I could have afforded) then I don't see why this guys ass isn't in jail either.

BTW: I spent 148 days in jail before given an 18 month with 13 month suspended sentence

I am not proud of what I did, but it did save my life

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
7. Just Imagine If He Were A 16 Year-Old.....
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:29 PM
Dec 2017

accused of stealing a backpack! There should be outrage, but there's not.


Paul Manafort Surrendered to the FBI Monday Morning. He Went Home Monday Night.

Kalief Browder was the first person I thought of when former Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort walked free from a federal courthouse Monday afternoon after pleading “not guilty” to federal charges that could send him to prison for the rest of his life. Browder, remember, got no such mercy in 2010 from a New York judge, who initially demanded that the 16-year-old, or his family, come up with $3,000 for bail or bond in a case involving an allegedly stolen backpack.

As the world now knows, Browder and his family couldn’t pay the tab in a case that was complicated by his own probation violation. Still, no defense attorney rescued him, no prosecutor, judge, or jailer looked at the case and was moved to correct a manifest injustice. No one came on television the night he was put into a cell to talk about the particulars of his case or cause. And so the young man ended up tortured in the Rikers Island jail, peppered with long stints in solitary confinement, until he was released, broken, back into the world. He didn’t make it. In 2015, at the age of 22, he committed suicide, another in an endless stream of young Americans whose spirit was crushed by the injustice of our justice system.


http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a13127990/manafort-house-arrest/
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