How sad is this photo? Extreme Holiday-Season Fire Threat Puts Southern California on Edge

[malaise]

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/extreme-weeklong-fire-threat-puts-southern-california-edge
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From Santa Barbara to San Diego, California’s coastal cities and mountains are on high alert this week, as an unusually prolonged bout of Santa Ana winds blowing toward the coast will lead to a multi-day period of extremely dangerous fire weather. Downslope winds are predicted to gust into the 45 - 60 mph range at lower elevations from Monday night into Tuesday, with localized gusts to 60 – 80 mph possible at higher elevations. Very low humidities and a tinder-dry landscape will exacerbate the threat. Update (6:10 am PST Tuesday): More than 27,000 people have been forced to evacuate from a massive fire in Ventura County that had burned some 31,000 acres overnight. At least 150 structures have been reportedly lost, and the fire was moving into the city of Ventura on Tuesday morning.

“Extreme fire behavior is possible with every spark,” warned the National Weather Service office in Oxnard, which serves the L.A. region.
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Hugs for all DUers on edge

[Angry Dragon]

1. and still no diaster relief from the last fires .......... asshole trump

[Achilleaze]

2. republican Comrade Casino* is pissing on California

because he is a petty, vindictive, lying a-hole republican.

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

[whathehell]

5. I am curious about that..Can Trump legally withhold

ALL emergency funds from California? It seems like there should be some legal recourse. This is crazy.

[Hekate]

39. He wouldnt piss on us if we were on fire. And now we are. nt

[BigmanPigman]

3. I hope he doesn't come. He would throw match books and

lighters at the evacuees.

We are expecting the weather to get worse until Fri then we get a heat wave.

[Angry Dragon]

6. All he has to do is send money and FEMA

[BigmanPigman]

10. He won't do it out of pure spite. He is mentally ill!

[Angry Dragon]

13. I know

[Merlot]

28. He won't do it out of pure spite.

Mental illness has nothing to do with it. He's not any more mentally ill than all the other repubs who would love to stick it to California.

[JoyBugaloo]

4. How did the stockings not burn?

Is this photoshopped or did someone place those for a photo op?

Just curious

And before the haters come out of the woodwork.....I know the fires are real - my brother lives in Lemoore - but I am questioning this photo

[mountain grammy]

7. We have haters in our woodwork?

Just an expression..like the photo. Obviously staged, stockings hung in a burned out home. Obviously sad and touching.

[Angry Dragon]

8. I would think that the christmas season promted someone to hang the stockings

[Historic NY]

9. The photo cap...

Christmas stockings hang on Saturday, Dec. 2, 2017, from a fireplace at a home destroyed in a ferocious October wildfire in the Coffey Park area of Santa Rosa, Calif. Image credit: AP Photo/Rich Pedroncell

[JoyBugaloo]

11. so this is a Christmas Miracle then?

A sign from God that this family will talk about for generations.....right?

um....yeah....that's it....

No way was this guy Rich Pedroncelli hoping for a Pulitzer worthy shot....no way.....



Fake shots like this cheapen the narrative

[Angry Dragon]

15. How do you know the stockings were not put there by the owner??

so much negative so early in the morning

find something else to worry about

[JoyBugaloo]

16. Oh - ok then - I'm being negative by asking how the stockings didn't burn?

Are they letting the families back in yet?

So, yeah - the owner defied evacuation orders to hang 3 stockings from the fire place just to keep things cozy....is that what you're telling me?

Makes a whole lot of sense

[Angry Dragon]

20. Is the picture of the older fire and not the new one??

[jberryhill]

26. The picture is from the October fire, per the caption posted above

Someone obviously put stockings there, but our friend can't seem to grasp that.

[Angry Dragon]

27. You have a nice day today.........perhaps they will come across something positive today

[snooper2]

43. The stockings are fireproof

there, all your questions are resolved

[MagickMuffin]

37. The photo is from the Santa Rosa fire in October

This is not from the current fires.

[malaise]

19. Too sad

[Orrex]

12. Good point.

And--amazingly--the stockings are held in place by fallen brickwork.

In short, all three stockings had to fall into place DURING THE FIRE and then be simultaneously secured by three separate chunks of brick that happened to land AT EXACTLY THE RIGHT MOMENT!!!!!!1!


Your goofy objection doesn't seem at all petty or facile. Not one bit.

[yallerdawg]

14. It's possible the stockings are made of a fire-resistant material.

Unlike the apparent building codes in California.

What are these homes constructed of? Match heads and kindling?

[Merlot]

29. Fire and smoke-resistant material since the color is bright red

Yes, I looked at this and thought "staged" which cheapens the devastation of the fire.

[Joanie Baloney]

30. Are you serious?

California building codes (due to earthquakes, mudslides and fire danger) are probably the toughest in the country.

Have you ever experienced a wildfire? It doesn't matter what a building is made of in the face of a howling fireball.

Sheesh.

-JB

[yallerdawg]

31. "Straw, sticks, or bricks" the "Three Little Pigs" taught us.

Judging from the fact that the fireplace remains in all these structures - and nothing else! - seems so obvious!

Whatever "codes" in place do not seem to be working. Year after year after year.

[MindPilot]

32. Not quite.

Even though that fireplace shaped pile of bricks remains, it is no longer structurally sound. The heat from these fires is so intense that even the concrete foundation pads have to be replaced.

And obviously block / brick structures do not fare well in earthquakes.

[yallerdawg]

34. So you're saying the material around the fireplace...

also known as "the house" - burned so intensely it damaged the structural integrity of the fireplace!

The fireplace.

California sounds like such a wonderful place to live.

[Joanie Baloney]

35. It is!

Sounds like you're happy in Alabama. You stay there, and I will stay here. Deal??

-JB

[yallerdawg]

36. DEAL!

-YD

[Hekate]

38. Someone created a shrine to their shattered dreams. Is that so hard to understand?

Jeez.

[malaise]

41. That simple - How are you and yours doing today Hekate?

[Hekate]

49. GOOD NEWS TODAY

Full recounting at my original thread.

[bdamomma]

17. oh this is so sad

I love California, we have a sick sick POS squatting in the WH who just hates humanity in general. He just does not give a crap about peoples hardships. He is only thinking about himself.
Does not want to give aid to those who need it.

[Sunlei]

18. Not sure why seawater can't be passive siphoned up to the hills & soak the ground down to water tabl

water table. 24/7 a slow soak so plenty can evaporate in winds and help make clouds of moister air.

Someday soon the remaining redwood forests will burn & Ca. will never recover, never be the same.

Off road shouldn't be allowed in any areas and invasive "cheat grass" needs to be grazed away in springtime by wild horses again. In spring before the "cheat grass" becomes fall tinder dry and undersides of vehicles sets it on fire..

[MineralMan]

21. You can't "siphon" water up a hill.

Doesn't work because: gravity.

Further, saturating soil with saltwater will kill most vegetation.

[Sunlei]

22. sure it can. and sea water can evaporate or filter to ground water into fresh water

[MineralMan]

23. In your video, the supply tank on the left is

at a higher elevation than the tank on the right. The ocean is not at a higher elevation than any hills near it.

Gravity. You cannot siphon fluid from a lower level source to a higher level location.

Physics. Simple. Further, seawater does not lose its salinity by being filtered through soil. Also, if you put it on soil and then allow it to evaporate the salt remains in the soil. Salt kills most terrestrial plants.

I'm sorry, but your proposal cannot work.

[Sunlei]

24. so a few small solar pumps. to assist. the climate change lack of rain/excessive rain & giant seas

life for the lands. evaporated water isn't salt, the rain 'created from sea water isn't salt, ice frozen from seawater isn't salt.

Salt remaining is a by product that can be used.

sea water can be run up hill.

[MineralMan]

25. A "few small solar pumps." How much water do you think

it would take to saturate the soil on those hills?

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to continue this discussion. There's no point.

[Sunlei]

33. no need to be sorry, all the water has to do is get up there and make that dry air humid again.

Mother nature will let those new clouds rain down fresh water.

[snooper2]

44. My rough guestimate you would need 47,500 solar pumps

72,000 miles of solid 4" water lines
887,000 miles of 1 inch soaker hose


That will get you started LOL

[Sunlei]

48. guesstimate? Heron's Fountains distribution /w Hydraulic rams powering most of the upwards movement

?Your soaker hose would be blocked by salts.

herons fountains are similar to a geyser (without the thermal "power" source), they put off a lot of mist (moisture) naturally- especially when the winds are 50MPH & bone dry like Ca.

[MindPilot]

45. Thanks, MM for taking this one. These threads are SO predicable.

The only posts missing so far:

"They shouldn't be allowed to build houses in fire-prone areas."

"Stupid rich people with big mortgages on McMansions...No sympathy."

[Hekate]

40. Thanks Malaise. That frickin subthread is about to make me cry. That fireplace is a shrine now...

I’m going back to my own thread. By the way Ventura has 50,000 evacuees and more coming. Hubby and I are still at his brother’s. 65,000 acres, 0% containment, high winds tonight.

[malaise]

42. Yes - I'm going back to your thread as well

[MindPilot]

47. And so far 30 horses dead.

People from the South and the East must get tired of us in the West not living up their standards. I know it sure gets old hearing it.

Stay safe!

[Bettie]

46. Oh how awful

I had heard about this, but this photo makes it much more real here in flyover country.