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Senator Bob Casey (D) PA calls for Franken to resign. (Original Post) Cattledog Dec 2017 OP
I'm with Senator Casey and the Dem women senators on this VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #1
Yeah, we sure don't want the Democrats looking like hypocrites still_one Dec 2017 #4
Yeah, Gillibrand should take her own advice. The Clintons' were good R B Garr Dec 2017 #12
Why can't they let Franken have the ethics investigation and wait for the conclusion? It is quite still_one Dec 2017 #13
It's completely unfair and so contrived. This has gotten out of hand. R B Garr Dec 2017 #16
You're entitled to your opinion of course tazkcmo Dec 2017 #29
Franken is done. All of these Senators know what the announcement is tomorrow. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #2
Really Bob, we should believe anonymous accusers and trump supporters, but hell with giving a person still_one Dec 2017 #3
If you had read any of the articles on Weinstein or VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #5
It isn't even comparable in this case. Franken is asking for an investigation, and these Democratic still_one Dec 2017 #6
At this point, an investigation will be a feeding frenzy for Fox and the GOP VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #7
Whatever the truth is let it come out, good, bad, or indifferent. That is what will distinguish still_one Dec 2017 #9
Hear hear! defacto7 Dec 2017 #22
Except there were no witches mythology Dec 2017 #17
He straight up denied this latest accusation. TCJ70 Dec 2017 #23
Another problem gratuitous Dec 2017 #10
Then the abusers, the antagonizers, the bullies defacto7 Dec 2017 #15
And that's the issue atreides1 Dec 2017 #28
Is the drumhead court all assembled? gratuitous Dec 2017 #8
WTF is going on here? smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #11
that makes no sense treestar Dec 2017 #14
Is the lynch mob assembling outside his office window? nt Snotcicles Dec 2017 #18
The creaking you hear is the floodgate opening up. Vinca Dec 2017 #19
I'm about to make some major decisions about defacto7 Dec 2017 #20
Just curious, has Senator Bob Casey (D) PA called for the predator-in-chief to resign or is he FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2017 #21
My money's on the "Gutless Hypocrite" mode. Paladin Dec 2017 #25
This WoonTars Dec 2017 #26
But Trump gets to stay? What kind of backward-ass bullshit is that? WoonTars Dec 2017 #24
How about some due process....... Historic NY Dec 2017 #27
Someone else on DU has suggested... Orrex Dec 2017 #30

VMA131Marine

(4,140 posts)
1. I'm with Senator Casey and the Dem women senators on this
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:43 PM
Dec 2017

Franken is not going to survive this without the Dem looking like total hypocrites.

R B Garr

(16,956 posts)
12. Yeah, Gillibrand should take her own advice. The Clintons' were good
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:07 PM
Dec 2017

enough when she needed them, so if Bill needed to go, then she should take her own advice.

(note for jury: some sarcasm, but mostly disgust...)

still_one

(92,273 posts)
13. Why can't they let Franken have the ethics investigation and wait for the conclusion? It is quite
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:10 PM
Dec 2017

unfair

R B Garr

(16,956 posts)
16. It's completely unfair and so contrived. This has gotten out of hand.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:12 PM
Dec 2017

If Gillibrand steps down due to her newfound deeply-held values about the Clintons and how that taints her with their endorsement, then Hillary can take her seat back.

Go Hillary!

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
29. You're entitled to your opinion of course
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:37 PM
Dec 2017

I say shitgibbon first, pedo judge second then maybe we'll talk about Franken. This is a false equivalency as in bank robbery is 2 running a stop light. They're both violations of the law but one is clearly more serious than the other. And neither of the perpetrators of the more serious and egregious perpetrations of sexual assault have yet to suffer any consequences. This is ridiculous.

still_one

(92,273 posts)
3. Really Bob, we should believe anonymous accusers and trump supporters, but hell with giving a person
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:48 PM
Dec 2017

a chance to defend himself

Incidentally BOB, since you are so concerned about women, can you educate us on you views about a women's right to CHOOSE

Here are some of you self-righteous views:

Roe v. Wade Should Be Overturned

Right to Privacy means contraception, not unborn

No embryonic stem cell research; adult research ok

Opposes public funding of abortion

Voted YES on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Bob_Casey_Abortion.htm

VMA131Marine

(4,140 posts)
5. If you had read any of the articles on Weinstein or
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:54 PM
Dec 2017

or observed what Fox Snooze and the GOP are doing to the Moore accusers, you would know why some women don't want their identity revealed.

still_one

(92,273 posts)
6. It isn't even comparable in this case. Franken is asking for an investigation, and these Democratic
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:57 PM
Dec 2017

Senators seem to want to deny him that.

He is being tried and convicted without a fair hearing

Welcome to the Salem Witch Trials


Joe McCarthy would be proud


VMA131Marine

(4,140 posts)
7. At this point, an investigation will be a feeding frenzy for Fox and the GOP
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:01 PM
Dec 2017

Unless he has an ironclad, slam-dunk case that he's being framed the outcome will not be good.

still_one

(92,273 posts)
9. Whatever the truth is let it come out, good, bad, or indifferent. That is what will distinguish
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

Democrats from republicans


 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
17. Except there were no witches
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:25 PM
Dec 2017

Franken can't even deny he did these things. He claims he doesn't remember. That's what Kevin Spacey claimed. Didn't stop him from getting fired.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
23. He straight up denied this latest accusation.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:56 PM
Dec 2017

As for the different recollections I think he was really trying to not call these women liars.

For the record, I don't believe any of it aside from the fact that the hoverhands pictures happened.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. Another problem
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

The women who have been identified as accusers of Sen. Franken have had their stories fall apart on closer examination. Another good reason to hide behind the screen of anonymity.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
15. Then the abusers, the antagonizers, the bullies
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:11 PM
Dec 2017

Win.

This is a time to fight back, a time to be brave, a time to be a leader. It's not a time to shrink under the ugliness they are fighting. To remain anonymous means they are lying or it means they are weak. Either way it makes all women look weak and that is one of the objectives of the rw.


atreides1

(16,084 posts)
28. And that's the issue
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:17 PM
Dec 2017

Franken has the right under the 6th Amendment of the Constitution to face his accusers! And there is difference between the anonymous women accusing Franken and the women accusing Weinstein and Moore, it's called courage!

The courage to stand up and do what's right, by looking their attackers in the eye and not hiding in the shadows!!!



 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. WTF is going on here?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:06 PM
Dec 2017

Why are we not doubling down on the republican accusations instead of going after our own? Especially when those accusations have not been proven and are most likely a the product of a right-wing smear campaign? There is an investigation and no conclusions have been reached. They should all just keep their mouths shut.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. that makes no sense
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:10 PM
Dec 2017

can't even take each case on its own merits? We have to believe the accusations always? That's insane. Look how much power that gives people just for saying something.

Vinca

(50,288 posts)
19. The creaking you hear is the floodgate opening up.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:29 PM
Dec 2017

Republicans will now be charged up to make all kinds of claims. Casey could be next. Shouldn't be too hard to fill a Democratic seat with a Republican in Pennsylvania.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
20. I'm about to make some major decisions about
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:29 PM
Dec 2017

my political future based on the outcome of this "event". I'm done with the weakness. I'm tired of the kowtowing reactions to GOP antagonization. I'm done with GOP hardcore porn winning a war using intimidation and anonymous smoke.

We either fight to win or fight and lose. Or we just lay down and die.

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
21. Just curious, has Senator Bob Casey (D) PA called for the predator-in-chief to resign or is he
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:33 PM
Dec 2017

going to be a gutless hypocrite and keep his chicken-shit mouth shut about the monster in the White House???

Paladin

(28,266 posts)
25. My money's on the "Gutless Hypocrite" mode.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:00 PM
Dec 2017

It seems very popular amongst Democratic Senators today. Hope they enjoy Roy Moore's company.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
24. But Trump gets to stay? What kind of backward-ass bullshit is that?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:59 PM
Dec 2017

Fuck no he shouldn't go...not until the investigation is completed...

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
30. Someone else on DU has suggested...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 03:42 PM
Dec 2017

that the Senators calling for Franken to step down may know more than we do.


Before I let myself get any more profoundly pissed off, I'm going to wait for additional information.

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