Bernie says Franken should resign

[ProudLib72]

Link to tweet

Sen. Franken has said that he will be making an announcement about his political future tomorrow. The right thing is for him to resign

[VermontKevin]

1. Holy crap.

[beaglelover]

2. Et Tu Bernie????

We're so fucked in 2018.

[uponit7771]

3. WOW WTF?!!? They either know more than they're letting on or this is one dumb ass'd move where anony

... anonymous sources WITH NO INVESTIGATION OR HARD PROOF can drum out a senator like Franken.

Damn, these people know how punch their fist with their own faces !!

[PoliticAverse]

30. In other words, they all know he's resigning tomorrow (i.e. he's doing "the right thing"). n/t

[Kimchijeon]

4. "Bernie touched my butt." -anonymous

Whaddya gonna do now??? Do the right thing, riiiight?

Idiots, the lot of 'em.

[flamingdem]

13. Ha! Exactly. Or some other offense the repugs are thinking up

RIGHT NOW

[moriah]

56. Except this kid. I think he learned something.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024712034

Apparently we need cats to teach children early about inappropriate tutch.

[Nevernose]

64. BERNIE SANDERS TRIED TO FORCIBLY KISS ME

It was on stage with a thousand people watching, and it was recorded for PBS. And he didn’t actually kiss me or force me, but he DID kiss me on the cheek and I just KNEW that he secretly wanted to force me to kiss him. He didn’t.

Another person at the same event claims Bernie looked at her boobs. PROOF! ASSAULT CONFIRMED!

Also, in 2006, Hillary Clinton — who had never seen or spoken to me before — approached me at random at our shared office building and got close and probably wanted to kiss me, but didn’t, and then she said, “When you’re a star like me, they just let you do it.” Yeah, that sounds exactly like what Trump said, but it was HILLARY CLINTON who said it in my story. And there were no witnesses to the time Hillary Clinton didn’t kiss a stranger, but my anonymous BFF can tell you that I told her in 2006 about the time Hillary Clinton didn’t kiss me.

So I figure Bernie Sanders should step down immediately and Hillary Clinton should donate 100% of her book profits to charity.

[Kimchijeon]

82. LOL yup there ya go

*dusts off hands* CASE CLOSED. Jeez that would work, too. Good one.

[Bengus81]

122. RW machine searching Nursing homes right now for some Bernie accusers.........

Hope the RW smear machine finds a couple so I CAN PERSONALLY call for Sanders to step down. BTW,the TRUTH at this point doesn't matter,ONLY the allegation.

[still_one]

5. I guess Bernie has never been victim of people accusing him of something he hasn't done

Shouldn't Al Franken have be able to defend himself with the ethics investigation?

[Kimchijeon]

16. Newsflash, Bernie's next

No doubt

[bettyellen]

43. Are you kidding? The RW lives to watch him trash the DNC and a Dems-

They've never gone after him, never will.

[Me.]

6. Excuse Me If I'm Not Impressed

with the piling on by the man who wrote some questionable essays

[ProudLib72]

7. I'm not impressed either

More like depressed as hell.

And pissed off at "our" party.

[Ken Burch]

28. From forty-five freaking years ago.

Bernie shouldn't run again...but neither Hillary nor him deserves hatred.

Bernie didn't cause Trump or any of our other problems.

And it could only be a tragedy if his Senate seat was filled with someone to his right on economic justice-no one like that could care about workers or the poor or could ever fight for the powerless.

[lunamagica]

31. What Hillary has to do with it? Or Sanders running? Did you even read the OP?

Condemning someone before they can defend themselves is a low move, and yes it will be a tagedy if he is removed on allegations before any investigation is concluded

Don't be so quick on dismissing what this senators are doing. You have no idea who is next

[Ken Burch]

37. I mentioned Hillary ONLY because some people are accused of hating her.

Few on the progressive side of politics actually do(it's just about issues)but none of those who do should.

By the same token, nobody should hate Bernie, either.

It's a general "neither of them are villains" thing.

Both have useful roles to play and we need the supporters of both.

Two dozen Democratic senators have said Al should go, so why single Bernie out on this?

[R B Garr]

41. That comment was pointing out hypocrisy. Why are you deliberately distorting it

just to mention Hillary??

[Ken Burch]

45. It's not about "mentioning Hillary".

I have no issue with her at all...it can't be offensive simply to post her name.

The actual hypocrisy is to bring up something stupid Bernie wrote as a bad attempt at satire and has repeatedly apologized for writing.

[R B Garr]

47. That's not what happened. It was an essay, not

satire. I don't recall the repeated apologies because he is held to much more lenient standards than most politicians. Yet, that still has NOTHING to do with Hillary.

[Ken Burch]

55. I've heard it described as a satirical essay. It was stupid, he should never have written it.

But it was forty-five years ago and it has nothing to do with the person he is now.

It's in the dead past.

I could see belaboring it if the guy had ever done anything in his public or political life that was actually harmful to women(it wasn't harmful to women simply that he ran for the presidency-there HAD to be some sort of economic justice candidate in the race or none of those issues would have even come close to being addressed, and it's been repeatedly shown that Trump was not his fault), if he had actually been a misogynist on a personal level, had harmed anyone or ever actually defended misogyny-note IF ANY EVIDENCE EMERGES THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE ANY OF THAT, I WILL IMMEDIATELY JOIN CALLS FOR HIS RESIGNATION-then there would be a case in bringing up that ancient essay.

But other than that, let's face it...almost all of the opposition to Bernie in this party is actually about our wealthiest donors want to make sure we, as a party never again address poverty, class, or inequality-that we limit our progressive positions solely to those issues that won't ask any sacrifice whatsoever of the 1%.

Bernie should NOT run for president again...but we have nothing to gain from driving his supporters away or anathemizing everything they talk about. Getting big donations is meaningless if the big donations don't guarantee victory.

[NurseJackie]

67. Why are you still talking about the primaries?

But it was forty-five years ago and it has nothing to do with the person he is now.

It's in the dead past.

So that makes it okay? We can just ignore it?

I could see belaboring it if the guy had ever done anything in his public or political life that was actually harmful to women

Careful, careful. Tread very carefully.

(it wasn't harmful to women simply that he ran for the presidency-there HAD to be some sort of economic justice candidate in the race or none of those issues would have even come close to being addressed, and it's been repeatedly shown that Trump was not his fault),

Why are you still talking about the primaries? What does that have to do with anything? Nobody is talking about the primaries. Why are you?

if he had actually been a misogynist on a personal level, had harmed anyone or ever actually defended misogyny-note IF ANY EVIDENCE EMERGES THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE ANY OF THAT, I WILL IMMEDIATELY JOIN CALLS FOR HIS RESIGNATION-then there would be a case in bringing up that ancient essay.

Careful, careful. Tread very carefully.

[R B Garr]

69. Do you have any proof that it's all about "our wealthiest donors want to make

sure, we, as a party never again address poverty, class or inequality-that we limit our progressive positions solely to those issues that won't ask any sacrifice whatsoever of the 1%."

QUIT smearing Democrats with this absurd tripe. What a a total switcheroo, there -- From glossing over Bernie's degrading essay about women to some backhanded swipe against ALL Democrats by way of insinuating that only Bernie's talking points matter...LOL, how absurd.

You need to quit refighting the primary. Bernie said something TODAY about another Democrat and people are pointing out the hypocrisy. That's what is going on today.

[sheshe2]

88. No

Ken Burch
55. I've heard it described as a satirical essay. It was stupid, he should never have written it.

Satire. Really? Please proved the links that prove this.

But it was forty-five years ago and it has nothing to do with the person he is now.

It's in the dead past.

If that is dead and in the past after all these years??? Then why is the "Bernie Marched with Martin" so important? That was 50 plus years ago.

Snopes has a great thread about some of the claims...even taggs DU about the picture claiming it was Bernie in the photo.

https://www.snopes.com/sanders-mlk-selma-march/

Yes, people can change, grow and evolve...yet please do not tell me it was satire.

I could see belaboring it if the guy had ever done anything in his public or political life that was actually harmful to women(it wasn't harmful to women simply that he ran for the presidency-there HAD to be some sort of economic justice candidate in the race or none of those issues would have even come close to being addressed, and it's been repeatedly shown that Trump was not his fault), if he had actually been a misogynist on a personal level, had harmed anyone or ever actually defended misogyny-note IF ANY EVIDENCE EMERGES THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE ANY OF THAT, I WILL IMMEDIATELY JOIN CALLS FOR HIS RESIGNATION-then there would be a case in bringing up that ancient essay.

By your own words above "he was the economic justice candidate in the race." Thank you for telling it like it is...Sanders was for economic justice. Finally, you admit that it is true.

[Me.]

92. Boom

"Sanders was for economic justice. Finally, you admit that it is true"

[sheshe2]

97. Posted more than once.

[Ken Burch]

111. What do you mean "I admit that it is true"?

I said he talked about standing with working people, of ALL races, in the ongoing fight workers of all races are in with the rich.

That isn't the same as saying that is ALL he fought for or cared about. He was always as anti-oppression in practice as any other Dem candidate.

The issue of Bernie marching was raised simply because he was slandered as not caring about racism, and his supporters were also slandered on that point simply because they didn't desert the guy. His involvement in the freedom movement proved that wasn't true. Unlike the essay, it matters.

Not sure why you'd even bring the march issue up here.

Look, I have said and will continue to say that Bernie shouldn't run. Continuing to argue that he shouldn't have been permitted in our primaries pr that he caused Trump's rise to power is "refighting the primaries".

Bernie's campaign HAD to happen because no other candidate fought for the working and kept-from-working poor. If HRC had acknowledged the validity of discussing class and economic inequality ALONG with the issues she defined as "social justice", Bernie probably WOULD have exited the race early on. And she could have included the economic justice agenda WITH the social justice agenda and lost no votes from anyone.

Next election, Bernie will be 79. He isn't going to run. And his supporters agree with you on the need to fight social oppression. It's time to end this pointless hostility and start the process of working for unity and common ground.

[sheshe2]

114. Hmmm

Ken Burch (49,161 posts)
111. What do you mean "I admit that it is true"?

I said he talked about standing with working people, of ALL races, in the ongoing fight workers of all races are in with the rich.

That isn't the same as saying that is ALL he fought for or cared about. He was always as anti-oppression in practice as any other Dem candidate.

You are the one that stated that his concern was economic justice.

he ran for the presidency-there HAD to be some sort of economic justice candidate in the race or none of those issues would have even come close to being addressed,

You said he was the 'economic justice candidate" with no mention of social justice.

The issue of Bernie marching was raised simply because he was slandered as not caring about racism, and his supporters were also slandered on that point simply because they didn't desert the guy. His involvement in the freedom movement proved that wasn't true. Unlike the essay, it matters.

Not sure why you'd even bring the march issue up here.

Well, you said his essay was irrelevant since it happened 45 years ago. Yet the topic of the march was brought up often and mostly disproved...so therefore the fact that he may have marched once, that should be a irrelevant point as well since it happened so many years ago. Once does not a civil activist make. You can't have this both ways.

Look, I have said and will continue to say that Bernie shouldn't run. Continuing to argue that he shouldn't have been permitted in our primaries pr that he caused Trump's rise to power is "refighting the primaries".

Where did I argue "that he shouldn't have been permitted in our primaries"? Where did I say that? These are your words, not mine. I am not refighting the primaries, that is you. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Bernie's campaign HAD to happen because no other candidate fought for the working and kept-from-working poor. If HRC had acknowledged the validity of discussing class and economic inequality ALONG with the issues she defined as "social justice", Bernie probably WOULD have exited the race early on. And she could have included the economic justice agenda WITH the social justice agenda and lost no votes from anyone.

OMG! You did it again. Economic Justice is the burning issue with you and as you state that it with Bernie as well.

This makes me so sad.

Bernie's campaign HAD to happen because no other candidate fought for the working and kept-from-working poor. If HRC had acknowledged the validity of discussing class and economic inequality ALONG with the issues she defined as "social justice", Bernie probably WOULD have exited the race early on. And she could have included the economic justice agenda WITH the social justice agenda and lost no votes from anyone.

What she defined as "social issues"???????????????????/ WTF???? She did NOT DEFINE THE ISSUES! THE VOTERS DID. She was for us and all our concerns, financially and socialy. She fought for all our concerns.

Why the hell do you dwell in the primaries. Let it go, Ken.

[Ken Burch]

118. I did not agree with the claim that he cared only about economic justice

The voters wanted a strong antiracist position, agreed. All Democratic candidates(with the possible exception of Webb)had that, and had it equally. And I've agreed about a million times that Bernie should have said more about institutional bigotry, and agree that he shouldn't run again, so why are you still not letting this go with me? I don't have to apologize for supporting him to prove I'm antioppression, for Goddess' sakes.

We needed economic justice ALONG with social justice. Not instead of it, but along with it.. There was no other Dem primary campaign even discussing economic justice issues. The other candidates were progressive, but only on issues not involving things like income inequality, the effects of post-1981 economic savagery on working-class people of all races, and the need to take corporations out of politics.

What we needed, and STILL need, is a fusion of the best of Sanders, Clinton, and O'Malley ideas, combined with the best ideas new candidates will come up with. That's what I care about, justice for the MANY-I don't have a candidate and don't actually care at this time who we nominate. What matters is what we stand for and what we propose.

Why is it STILL important to you to pretend Bernie doesn't care about social justice? Or that his present or former supporters don't care about it? At this stage, why still keep picking at that scab?

I agree with you on everything you consider social justice, and go further than you do in wanting more social services and a real battle against poverty. I've never once at all said economic justice matters more than everything else.

It's not true that economic justice is the ONLY issue I care about, or even that I center it. If that was true, I wouldn't be an active member of SURJ, for one thing and I wouldn't have campaigned for Jesse Jackson twice. People who don't care about fighting racism don't do things like that.

What I center is BOTH justice struggles and the intersectionality between them.

Is there a reason you can't accept that as a legitimate position?

And I've called for a recalibration of the Sanders ideas to account for historic injustice, which should resolve any tension between the two justice struggles, so why are you still trying to call my commitment to antiracist, antioppression politics into question?

I don't want Bernie to run again. You KNOW that.

The reason I'll always challenge the "Bernie doesn't care about social justice" slur when it's repeated like you just did, is that

A) it's smear and demonstrably untrue;

B) It serves no good purpose to perpetuate the smear;

C) It ends up being an argument that his SUPPORTERS don't care about social justice(in truth, virtually EVERYONE on the left is equally anti-oppression) that is used to drive his supporters away when we HAVE to have an alliance with them to beat the Right.

[NurseJackie]

121. Nicely done, you!

[sheshe2]

124. Hey.

[lunamagica]

90. IF ANY EVIDENCE EMERGES THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE ANY OF THAT, I WILL IMMEDIATELY JOIN CALLS FOR HIS

IF ANY EVIDENCE EMERGES THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE ANY OF THAT, I WILL IMMEDIATELY JOIN CALLS FOR HIS RESIGNATION

Doesn't al Franken deserve the same treatment?

[NurseJackie]

95. It's a fair question that deserves to be answered. (But don't hold your breath.) You have...

You have allowed him to paint himself into a corner, and when you dare to ask a civil, logical and straightforward question... when you get to the heart of the matter... when you point out the hypocrisy of how people are treated differently... and when you ask for comment or confirmation, you get nothing. Crickets.

[lunamagica]

100. No, I really don't expect an answer. Just wanted to hightlight the irony

[NurseJackie]

102. The silence lets me know that he KNOWS he's making a WEAK and FLAWED argument...

... and when pressed to defend what's been said, he can't, so he retreats. (This is likely the reason why certain posters prefer to battle strawmen or continually revisit the primary as a distraction. If he can distract you into talking about that and other unrelated things, then he won't have to explain or defend his positions on the actual subject matter at hand.)

[lunamagica]

105. So, so predictable

[sheshe2]

104. Oh.

Snap!

[Ken Burch]

108. I think he's received the same treatment.

I haven't been one of the people calling for AL to go, for the record.

[lunamagica]

109. I meant, don't you think Sanders should allow the same courtesy

To Al Franken?

[NurseJackie]

50. Nobody has "repeatedly apologized" ... stop saying that.

[lunamagica]

44. What all of this has to do with THIS thread?

[Ken Burch]

46. It was pointing out that what Bernie wrote, almost half-a-century in the past, no longer matters.

And does not disqualify him from commenting about Al Franken.

The article was stupid, a failed attempt at satire, and Bernie has repeatedly apologized for it. At the same time, it was simply a bit of writing. There's no evidence that it ever reflected anything he did in life.

Bernie is NOT the problem in this situation.

[NurseJackie]

53. Nobody has "repeatedly apologized" ... stop saying that.

And does not disqualify him from commenting about Al Franken.

I think it does.

There's no evidence that it ever reflected anything he did in life.

Strawman. Nobody has ever suggested such a thing, so there's no reason to defend against it.

Bernie is NOT the problem in this situation.

Nobody said he is. But many are correctly noting that he's not helping, and probably making things worse.

[lunamagica]

54. Yes, he is the problem, and so is everyone who is aking Sen Franken to step down

You know, people who live in glass houses and all that. Like I told you before, we don't know who is next

[Ken Burch]

59. I'm not calling for Franken to step down myself.

But every female Democratic senator other than Maria Cantwell has called for it.

What does THAT say to you?

[lunamagica]

60. It says to me that they are spineless. You know who is jumping with joy over this? Kelllyanne,

Bannon, the trump clan of criminals, session, al the deplorables.

What does THAT say to you?

[NurseJackie]

63. That's not what I'd expect from a "Democratic ally"...

... but then again. If history is any indicator... well... I'll just leave it at that. I don't think I need to elaborate further.

[lunamagica]

65. Come on, I answered your question. Answer mine

[NurseJackie]

68. Was that for me or someone else?

[lunamagica]

74. Ooops, sorry Jackie! That was for Ken, who apparently thinks he can question posters

but then keeps silent when asked the same question

Again, sorry!

[NurseJackie]

77. I understand! When someone does that, they think they're being clever, BUT...

... it paints a very unflattering portrait of themselves as a person, and it reveals that they are arguing from a position of weakness and that their honest answers (if actually given) wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.

[lunamagica]

76. Yup. With allies like this...you know the rest

[NurseJackie]

80. I get the feeling it's a self-serving "look at me" moment. Typical politician...

... putting their own career before the greater good of the Democratic party and the nation. Sad.

[lunamagica]

81. Besides, Sen Franken would have been a formidable cadidate for POTUS

too strong of a competition for some. Better get him out of the way NOW.

[NurseJackie]

86. Agreed.

[Me.]

87. Exactly

[NurseJackie]

49. Why bring Hillary into this? Please stop revisiting the primaries!

Bernie shouldn't run again...but neither Hillary nor him deserves hatred.

Seriously, dude... WTF?! How many times have you made plea after plea to "leave the past behind" ... and the first chance you get to lead by example, you don't. Hastag "sad". You've got to walk the walk not just talk the talk.

Easier than admitting that the horrors of those essays can't be dismissed or brushed away simply by saying "oh-that-was-forty-five-freaking-years-ago". That kind of message says "it doesn't matter" and "it's okay".

All I'm trying to say is that... I think that as reasonable people we can all agree that it DOES matter... and it's NOT okay.

[Me.]

91. Oh Do Get A Grip

How does HRC come into this unless it's meant as the typical Hillary distraction usually used by Trump. As for the essays, they are a fact and btw, has he ever disavowed them? And no one is asking him to resign, so that's another, unrelated thought, just to be quiet when judging another on an issue such as this where IMHO, he has no standing.

[Ken Burch]

106. I'm not doing any distracting and I'm as anti-Trump as you are.

All I was saying was that NOBODY whose a public figure in or allied with the Democratic Party should be subject to hatred. There was no way to do that without referencing her. It's getting ridiculous when any MENTION of our last nominee is treated as suspicious.

[Me.]

110. There Was No Hatred

Just fact and the issue of HRC being the only way to explain hatred is bewildering and, the reason he was mentioned was because he chose to throw himself into the mix and make himself part of the conversation.

[Ken Burch]

112. He's a member of our caucus.

n/t.

[Me.]

113. So....

What has that to do with the price of tea in China

[NurseJackie]

123. There's NO REASON to automatically assume, as you do, that...

... any criticism of what he says and does in 2017 is related to the primary of 2016. Yet, for some reason, that's the "go-to" defense, and dismissal of ANY criticism of ANYTHING he says or does. Why is that?

Legitimate criticism of word and deed is NOT "hatred" and can't be dismissed as such.

[NurseJackie]

11. Yes. This. Exactly. Thank you!

[beaglelover]

19. +1

[R B Garr]

26. Yup. Having one less star Democrat to grill Sessions over Russia contacts,

Russia meddling, hmmm. What's the rush here??

[mnhtnbb]

9. No, Bernie. Wrong!

[NurseJackie]

10. Of course he does.

What a surprise.

[ProudLib72]

12. A little surprising kind of

The smart thing for him would be to stay the hell out of it. But, no, this has become a "progressive" issue that does not have a "D" or "I" in front of it. This is now about the purity of the left as a whole.

[GaryCnf]

15. Very disappointing

It's not a matter of "proof."

Even if every word said about Franken is true, the conduct that has been described is so far removed from anything that matters that we look ridiculous.

We will not gain the respect of women by acting like it does (Jeez, a majority of white women just voted for a F'ing scumbag . . . a majority doesn't care about this at all)

We will not gain the respect of men by acting like it does

What we will do is lose any credibility whatsoever whenever we raise our voices about REAL oppression.

[diva77]

17. Nooooooooooooooo!!!!

Things are not adding up here....

[ollie10]

18. I voted for Bernie

Wouldn't do that again now.

[R B Garr]

20. If this turns out to just be a backhanded way to promote Keith Ellison......

[Squinch]

21. Bernie should concern himself with his OWN party. He should not butt in on other parties.

[ProudLib72]

23. The DNC gave him license to crash the party

in 2016, so now he believes he is somehow allowed in perpetuity.

[Squinch]

24. Yep. And if he didn't trash Democrats every time he opened his mouth, I would have been happy

for that to have happened.

As it is, I couldn't give a rat's ass what he has to say, and I'm not in a minority about that.

(Cue some clueless sot quoting the ridiculous "most popular politician" poll that the clueless sots so love to cluelessly quote.)

[panader0]

22. One of the first times I have to disagree with Bernie.

[LovingA2andMI]

33. Thank You....

n/t...

[nini]

25. Of course he does

[Chasstev365]

27. Did you just put that in to stir the pot?

[GaryCnf]

29. Of course

No issue is serious enough to divert from the vendetta.

[lunamagica]

34. He published the tweet

[GaryCnf]

71. And it said exactly what every (D) politician

has said and STILL we get treated to the usual chorus about how Sanders needs to shut up.

Get over it.

[lunamagica]

79. No.

[lunamagica]

32. What? It's a tweet from Sanders. It is supposed to be secret?

[melman]

51. Thirty-one Democratic senators have called on Franken to resign

Yet no rage-threads about any of the others. Only Bernie. Why do you suppose that is?

[lunamagica]

57. You need to read the board. It has plenty of rage against Democrats who

have asked Al Franken to step down. Pay atention

[melman]

61. I have read it

Find me one post that says "Fuck..." whoever. You can't. They're not there.

[lunamagica]

66. How about this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9933562

Good enough for you?

[melman]

70. You see any names there?

Any direct reference to anyone telling them to 'fuck off"?

No. Because they're not there. If that's the best you can come up with you have conceded the point. Thanks for playing.

[lunamagica]

84. I conceded nothing. Sanders tweeted, we discuss. Do you support what he said?

[rockfordfile]

103. It seems the other Senators are jumping to quickly.

I voted for Sanders in the primary last year. Now I regret that. Not just for this but it seems Sanders has been easy on trumpf.

[ProudLib72]

38. FYI: Shooting the messenger

is a type of logical fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger

[MrsCoffee]

42. Oh good lord. Ok, no linking to Sanders tweets without comment or apparently you are pot stirring.

That is absurd.

[Squinch]

48. LOL! Linking to his words is stirring the pot now.

[mvd]

35. Love Bernie but he's wrong here

I was hoping he would stand up at least.

[Corvo Bianco]

36. The best thing for the unity of the Democratic party would be to get this

third party cramp out of our ass. I sincerely hope and wish for a career-ending Bernie scandal to get him the hell out of our lives.

[VOX]

39. Thanks, Bernie, but this is a family matter. Will you excuse us, please?

Only actual Democrats can self-immolate. You don't get to apply the torch.

[MineralMan]

40. Twisting the knife.

Ugh!

Bernie just lost any chance of my support in 2020, permanently!

[Tipperary]

52. Why has he not called for the Dotard to resign?

There are way more accusers of his misbehavior. They are not anonymous.

[sheshe2]

93. Dotard is not a Democrat.

Enough said.

[Tipperary]

98. Yes I guess you are right. This is sickening to me. I think I will be a mistake to lose Franken.

[NCTraveler]

58. Im ok with Democrats taking order of their own house.

This is just ratfucking from a guy who has written a rape fantasy and show disdain for women throughout his career.

Sanders special protections need to end here.

[LenaBaby61]

73. Bernie too I see.

"This is just ratfucking from a guy who has written a rape fantasy and show disdain for women throughout his career."


Don't think that Bernie will run for the presidency in 2020, but if he does....

Don't think that thuglicans wouldn't turn his 'Rape Fantasy' Essay around on him into implying that Bernie was FOR women being raped. Bernie's never been vetted, so his Essay would be new to a lot of people, and of course the so-called Liberal media that doesn't exist would RUN faster than Usain Bolt in that they'd repeat what Bernie said over 50 years ago in an explanation given by thuglicans, and we know how they vet. And IMHO, by the time Bernie tried to explain his essay away, he'd be done because don't forget, Victoria Toensing and her hubby crazy Joe and their son are ready to go with Jane stories and accusations.

I could see fatso tweeting that Bernie is a rapist. It's bad enough that the GOP allegedly has this 3-inch dossier on him that they were going to use against him if he'd won the Dem nomination.

[still_one]

62. That's it, I am not even patting my dog anymore

[LexVegas]

78. Bernie is right. nt

[Ferrets are Cool]

83. Well FUCK YOU TOO Bernie. You are just as weak as the rest of the cowards calling

for this.

[oasis]

85. Release those tax returns while your in your "do the right thing" mode.

Let's be transparent about everything.

[Itchinjim]

89. Fuck Bernie

And the rest of them

[aka-chmeee]

117. Precisely.

If this post hadn't been here, my exact duplicate would have been.

[NastyRiffraff]

94. Oh well, if BERNIE says it

It's 100% IMPERATIVE that he must resign. Bernie is ALWAYS right. And if he isn't, we all must do as he says anyway.

[peggysue2]

96. And Bernie . . .

would be wrong. This purge mentality will come back to haunt a whole lot of people. As I've said elsewhere, a "No Tolerance" policy looks a lot better on paper than it does in real life where we, as discerning adults, are capable of making distinctions between levels of offensive behavior. If you lump everything and everyone into the same pot, you'll have no one left. There is nuance and context in the way we relate to one another. Yes, even in harassment issues.

Senator Franken has owned the incident(s), apologized and invited an ethics investigation. That should be allowed to play out in public.

As for Bernie Sanders? He's dead wrong. Not for the first time, I might add.

[ehrnst]

99. Of course.(nt)

[democratisphere]

101. Bernie should sit down and shutup.

[Nanjeanne]

107. I love Bernie but he's wrong on this & I told him. As I told my Sen. Chris Murphy the same thing.

[ellie]

115. Who gives a shit what

Bernie has to say?

[MelissaB]

116. As a Bernie primary supporter, let me just say that he can take a flying leap and STFU on this one.

[McCamy Taylor]

119. You are dead to me, Sen. Sanders.

[GReedDiamond]

120. I guess that proves that nobody is perfect...nt