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Right to be upset that Republicans are not held accountable. And to forcefully speak to that. (Original Post) boston bean Dec 2017 OP
Do not let the perfect become the enemy of the good. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #1
He will make that decision. Not you or I. boston bean Dec 2017 #2
I feel he is being forced by the weight of opinion. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #4
That isnt the reason he is resigning. boston bean Dec 2017 #7
Like hell it isn't n/t kcr Dec 2017 #9
Get real. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #11
Of course it does. boston bean Dec 2017 #13
Agreed! Too many people who live in glass houses like to throw stones. Cattledog Dec 2017 #3
Agreed. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #6
The argument isn't that we don't need to be better. We already are better. kcr Dec 2017 #5
I am not sure that is the case. Lots of the arguments sound like the other side. boston bean Dec 2017 #10
What arguments "sound like the other side?" kcr Dec 2017 #20
Yeah, we are already better. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #8
I think this issue has brought out a lot of ugly from many sides. boston bean Dec 2017 #12
Lots of victim blaming and excuses being made for bad behavior today. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #14
Without an investigation we don't know whether we're better or worse. Vinca Dec 2017 #15
Where have I heard these same words before? boston bean Dec 2017 #16
My money's on Sherrod Brown to be their next target. Vinca Dec 2017 #17
Really? Why?? boston bean Dec 2017 #18
If he's somehow removed they'll install their chosen Neo-Nazi. Vinca Dec 2017 #19

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Do not let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:58 PM
Dec 2017

Franken is a very good Senator, but he is not perfect. No one is. He should not resign.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. I feel he is being forced by the weight of opinion.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:04 PM
Dec 2017

And I would hope that he will decide to stay and fight. If he were not so vocal in the Trump/Russia affair I feel he would never have been targeted at all.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
5. The argument isn't that we don't need to be better. We already are better.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:04 PM
Dec 2017

The argument is we don't need to dance to their tune. It helps them to give up on things like ethics investigations. That's actually becoming MORE like them. There's no reason why we can't investigate first. Skipping that step is only caving, not being better.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
10. I am not sure that is the case. Lots of the arguments sound like the other side.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:09 PM
Dec 2017

I like Al Franken, but he will no longer be able to serve the people of MN or the party.

Time to accept it and move forward on the correct path.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
20. What arguments "sound like the other side?"
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:49 PM
Dec 2017

And who made you the arbiter of what serves the people of MN and the party? That's awfully presumptuous.

And no. I will not accept that dumping our good Dems without investigation is the new and correct path forward. That way lies ruin.

Vinca

(50,285 posts)
15. Without an investigation we don't know whether we're better or worse.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:13 PM
Dec 2017

What if it turns out this was all a set up to get a GOP senate seat in Minnesota? It wouldn't surprise me. Just wait . . . as soon as Al is gone someone else will go on the chopping block from a state the GOP thinks they can pick up a seat.

Vinca

(50,285 posts)
19. If he's somehow removed they'll install their chosen Neo-Nazi.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:23 PM
Dec 2017

I'm certainly not saying Sherrod is guilty of anything other than a rumpled suit once in awhile. The point is that it doesn't matter if you can convict a person and oust them from office without a thorough investigation. Ohio is pretty red and the Trumphumpers would love another crazy in the Senate.

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