With all of these calls for Al Franken to resign, it is appalling how many

[guillaumeb]

are willing to abandon any pretense at due process in their haste to cast that first stone.

And I speak mainly of the Democrats who are demanding that Franken resign before any sort of investigation is even started.

What happened to the concept of presumed innocence?
What happened to the concept of common sense?

At this point, there is a right wing quasi-celebrity who conveniently for Trump, just happened to find some suggestive/ photos as the Russia investigation is heating up. The photos are evidence of crude humor, nothing else, but they served to silence Franken as Trump is under increasing scrutiny.

In my opinion, Franken should wait for the results of an investigation before taking any action.

Yes, we should be better than the GOP, but if we are indeed the party of values we should also recognize the common sense value in only taking action after an investigation.

[EffieBlack]

1. Youre right, but we are too busy trying to prove how morally superior to Republicans we are

Which ones of us do you hate (i.e. fear) the most? Pelosi? Hillary? Franken?

Well, look look! We’re throwing him/her under the bus! See! We’re better than you!!!

[Raster]

3. yeah, about that... sometimes all you get from taking the high road is a nosebleed.

[EffieBlack]

6. Its possible to take the high road without throwing our own off the cliff

We don’t seem able to find - or even think there is - a rational middle ground.

[Raster]

9. I could not agree more....

...Effie, it's been all these years, you've never even said hello...

Sorry, loved the play. Love the movie. Love the music. And I love the character of Effie White.

[EffieBlack]

19. Lol!

[guillaumeb]

10. Agreed, or as has been said:

a circular firing squad in action as the GOP watches in amusement.

[Raster]

2. I agree with you.

I think the "boob" photos were a joke.

I also think that Senator Franken KNOWS if he is guilty or not. If so, then his conscience should be his guide. Unlike too many on the rethuglican side, their conscience goes no further than the fly on their trousers.

I think that if Senator Franken is not guilty of the accusations, then he needs to stay steadfast and do the job he was elected by the good citizens of Minnesota to do.

[guillaumeb]

11. Agreed. The photos appear to be posed.

And anonymous accusations need to be investigated, not used as assumption of guilt.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. I think they want Franken as a sacrificial lamb before the Alabama election

so they can say they occupy the moral high ground. "See, you lowlife Republicans, we were happy to cut our own throats by demanding the resignation of one of our most effective senators just so we could show you how much sleazier you are than we are!"

Of course, they won't care. They'll elect a child molester as long as he votes for their tax cuts. They'd probably elect Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer if he agreed to support tax cuts for the 1%.

[EffieBlack]

7. Because kicking a Minnesota senator out of office will make Alabamians vote for Doug Jones

Stupid stupid stupid.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. Of course it will! Those good folks down there in Alabama will carefully consider

how awful it would be to vote for a GOP candidate who groped a 14-year-old and assaulted and nearly raped another girl and was thrown out of a mall for creeping on high school girls, when the Democrats nobly insisted on the resignation of one of their senators because some anonymous women said he touched them "inappropriately." And then they'll vote for Roy Moore because of God and abortion.

[EffieBlack]

20. That was BEFORE Dems kicked Franken out of office

But now kicking Franken out of office will totally overcome guns and abortion.

[guillaumeb]

14. Agreed.

The GOP cares only for power, and some Democrats seem to be abandoning the rule of law for a mob justice.

[ProudLib72]

15. But what a sacrificial lamb! nt

[Mme. Defarge]

5. Crucify him!

Just sayin’...

[guillaumeb]

16. And after the crucifiction, a trial.

And after the trial, an investigation.

[Cattledog]

8. Dems sacrifice their best, to look good for the moment, but tomorrow

nobody will give a shit

[guillaumeb]

17. Including the voters?

Why the very hasty rush to convict before the trial has started?

[FBaggins]

13. You forget that HE doesn't need an investigation

He knows whether he did it or not.

I don't see any reason for him to step down if he didn't do anything wrong... and can't think of any reason why he would. So we'll find out tomorrow.

As for the party? I suspect that they think that it will help beat Moore. Just as importantly, an investigation could easily take a year, and there's no guarantee that Dayton would still be governor. If Republicans think they can win, then they could definitely stall until it would impact that election and cost us two statewide seats.

[guillaumeb]

18. Great points.

And for the GOP, power trumps everything. It is all about the votes. Remember the Norm Coleman affair?