New Rules: What's Allowable

[trof]

1. LIGHTLY touching is permissible, THROUGH AT LEAST ONE LAYER OF CLOTHING, at, and ONLY AT, the waistline. Not one inch above or below.

2. If the location of the waistline is not clearly discernible then NO TOUCHING WHATSOEVER.

3. If the waistline is BARE, then NO TOUCHING WHATSOEVER.

4. NO HUGGING. EVER.
Not under ANY circumstances.

5. Have your wife by your side, holding at least ONE of your hands, at ANY campaign/photo/constituent event.
If you are not married, try eHarmony.
Otherwise you'll be perceived as gay, and that's a whole other set of rules.

6. FIGURATIVE pats on the back to staff for all the good work they do for you is OK, but no ACTUAL pats.

7. If you are meeting with a woman constituent, have a woman member of your staff in the room with you at all times. It would be best NOT to meet in your office, but at some public place with numerous of witnesses.

8. Oh yes. "Gag" photos are a thing of the past. No more mugging for the camera.
I'd also pass on any USO tours. 'Hijinks' are now frowned upon and could actually lose you your job.

[woolldog]

1. No one's joking anymore about the Pence rule.

Seems prudent in this current climate.

[Baitball Blogger]

17. Man was ahead of his time.

Who knew?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. This isn't helpful.

[Irish_Dem]

3. Sexual harassment is real and it is not funny. nt

[Loki Liesmith]

7. Believe victims

[BannonsLiver]

8. Im sure Als eventual GOP replacement will be great on womens issues.

Just like Roy Moore will. But hey moral victories, they feeeeeeelz good.

[Irish_Dem]

14. OMG I am seriously having a flashback to the Viet Nam War protests....

and Dem men kept saying stuff like this.

But it backfired, Dem women started the feminist movement.

Edited to add: AND we stopped the war and moved Civil Rights forward at the same time.

[woolldog]

16. If Al resigns, Dems deserve to lose that seat. nt

[Little Star]

11. True but not every thing is sexual harassment......

and piddly accusations make it all that much harder for people who are actually sexually harassed.

[brush]

4. Funny. A good post that lays our new reality our humorously.

[trof]

5. Some get it. Some don't. Some are DEADLY SERIOUS.

[pintobean]

6. How about just respecting women

and treat them like most men would want you to treat their wives and daughters.

[woolldog]

9. Because you can do that and still face false, trumped up accusations.

Franken is being forced to resign from the Senate because he squeezed someone's waist while a photo was being taken!

[Little Star]

12. Yep

[trof]

10. OH? OK. I've never tried that before.

Seriously pinto?
Get real.
This is satire.

Yeah, I whip my wife and our daughter into submission almost every day.

[Squinch]

15. This is not satire. This is backlash. Big difference.

[Irish_Dem]

18. Trump joked about sexual assault and it wasn't funny. Rape is not a humorous topic.

My .02.

[Skittles]

24. I get it trof

seriously, it's like we went from one extreme to the other

[Irish_Dem]

13. The men on this forum are educated, intelligent, good men, and we still have to explain to

them what needs to happen. Respect women, make it a safe planet for them.

Edited to add: And rape and sexual assault is not a humorous topic.

[Kirk Lover]

19. I'm wondering how many of us have been accused of doing something that we actually

did not do?

[marybourg]

21. I wonder how many of us have had

things done to us that we shouldn't have had done to us, and didn't accuse anyone because of the very attitude we see here, even on this usually liberal forum.

[Kirk Lover]

25. That wasn't my question and we already know the answer to yours. n/t

But women need to start speaking up more in the moment. I realize that's not always possible but often it is.

[trof]

22. I have.

MANY, MANY years ago I walked out of a bar just in time to see a woman back into my car and put a huge dent in the passenger side door. Naturally, I confronted her. She peeled rubber and drove away.

Naturally I jumped into my car and gave chase.

Hauling ass through downtown Birmingham (at about 1 a.m.) a police car gave chase to me.
I told him to pull over the car I was chasing.
Bless his heart, he did. Both of us.
Now we were into a 'he said, she said' until she said "He was just trying to pick me up and that was the only way I could get away from him."
Well, fuck me.

We wound up in court.
She had a lawyer.
Stupid me, I didn't.
I just had an eye witness 'buddy' who was with me that night but all of a sudden got bugged (or was too damn lazy) to appear for me in court.

Still pisses me off.

She skated, I paid a fine.

[Kirk Lover]

27. I've been accused of things I didn't do. One example is when I was around 10

my next door neighbor who was about 6 accused me of pulling down his pants and some other stuff (I don't even remember but he didn't accuse me of touching him) and they confronted me and I denied it. I felt I was not being believed ...and maybe I wasn't...but it WASN'T ME. Turns out it was a kid around the block but if we hadn't found out it was him... I WAS BEING ACCUSED (I am female) and they were believing the 6yr old over me. So false accusations happen ALL THE TIME...as you illustrated with your story as well.

[XRubicon]

20. Nothing is allowable - zero tolerance. The punishment should fit the crime though

Did Franken pull his pants down and masturbate in a hotel room or rape a woman in his office or have sex with 14 year old?

Did Franken admit and apologize?

What outcome do we want? to purely punish or do we want redemption?

I hope we are smart enough to see the differences.

[ismnotwasm]

23. Most guys know what harassment is and how not to do it

It’s a choice. If someone needs their wife to make sure they behave I’m cool with that. I guess. Bemused is a better word

[dflprincess]

26. Number 7 may not always work

Note that most of Al's accusers claim he groped them while having a photo taken in public at a crowded event. Including at least one event that Franni was also attending. (And I have a hard time believing that Al is that stupid.)

[FBaggins]

28. Far simpler rule... same as it has always been

Before touching a woman... ask. Then respect her choice.

[doc03]

29. I worked in a steel mill for 40 years. In the late 70s the first women were hired in the

mill. My first encounter with a women in the mill was on a day when the mill crew was going to the lunch room for a break. There was table outside the lunch room and this young lady was sitting on it, I guess one of the guys looked at her. This is what she said "What the
f--- are you looking at m----r f---r?" What if one of us said that?

[Wednesdays]

30. These rules are null and void if you are a Republican. nt