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Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:05 PM Dec 2017

Kirsten Gillirbrand defended the Tobacco Industry as a young lawyer.

https://www.prwatch.org/news/2009/03/8298/secret-affair-senator-kirsten-gillibrand-and-philip-morris


"The best-kept secret in the halls of Congress -- until today -- may have been the extent to which New York's new senator, Kirsten Gillibrand, helped cigarette maker Philip Morris during her former employment as an attorney with the global law firm Davis, Polk & Wardwell. Information about her relationship with the cigarette maker wasn't included in her official biography or her campaign materials, but on Friday, March 27, 2009, the New York Times published an article describing in detail how Gillibrand, under her maiden name Kirsten Rutnik, was involved at high levels in the legal affairs of Philip Morris."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/nyregion/27gillibrand.html
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Kirsten Gillirbrand defended the Tobacco Industry as a young lawyer. (Original Post) Dawson Leery Dec 2017 OP
But no one anonymously accused Big Tabacco of groping n/t leftstreet Dec 2017 #1
No, they just kill 400,000 a year or so. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #7
Oh, but yes they did. Philip Morris...sex discrimination/harassment... Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #28
I assume this is meant to suggest that she can't make a judgement on sexual harassment charges? brooklynite Dec 2017 #2
She is NOT the progressive she claims to be. Dawson Leery Dec 2017 #6
She was a blue dog congressperson before she ran for the senate. Apparently she had a progressive... brush Dec 2017 #35
No, just another corporate politician. $ talks. Cattledog Dec 2017 #8
She accepted money to cover for a corporate killer. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #10
She's a corporate dem, bought and paid for. woolldog Dec 2017 #16
Anyone can make a judgment on anything.... vi5 Dec 2017 #17
She is believed to have organized the movement of women to speak out yesterday. brooklynite Dec 2017 #19
So that answers my question. vi5 Dec 2017 #23
Well, attorneys represent a variety of clients. BUT to defend a sex discriminator, on the one hand.. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #31
My grandfather died from lung cancer. I demand this DINO resign! NightWatcher Dec 2017 #3
I hope people keep digging. Karma. Cattledog Dec 2017 #4
Me too. jrthin Dec 2017 #18
Tobacco has done much more harm to the world than Al Franken ever did. Dawson Leery Dec 2017 #25
For her work in covering for the tobacco companies, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #5
THIS NEEDS TO STOP NOW. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #9
Maybe we need zero tolerance for tobacco industry defenders. Evil way to make a living. lostnfound Dec 2017 #30
That doesn't particularly bother me. She had a job in a huge law firm The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #11
Yes, this exactly. She was an associate at a big firm, not a solo practitioner representing them. bench scientist Dec 2017 #21
My grandmother died from lung cancer. I call on Gillibrand to resign. Now. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #12
Yeah, color me not surprised. Nt BootinUp Dec 2017 #13
She wants to be President. Fighting for women sounds a whole lot better than fighting for jalan48 Dec 2017 #14
+1,000,000 Dawson Leery Dec 2017 #15
She will never be President. Cattledog Dec 2017 #20
For lots of reasons. One of them is that she has all the charisma of a dishrag. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #24
Oh my God that is great! Cattledog Dec 2017 #32
High Horses! Get yer High Horses Here.... FSogol Dec 2017 #22
We lost one of the good ones today padah513 Dec 2017 #26
Jones is going to lose JustAnotherGen Dec 2017 #29
Yep. That's the sum total of it. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #34
Resign! WNO needs a merchant of death as a dem senator. my mom died of cancer! Nm bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #27
It was not a secret to me Meowmee Dec 2017 #33

brush

(53,784 posts)
35. She was a blue dog congressperson before she ran for the senate. Apparently she had a progressive...
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:19 PM
Dec 2017

metamorphosis as she accepted money and endorsements from Bill and Hillary Clinton when she ran for Hillary's senate seat.

IMO she bears watching, she's went after Bill Clinton recently and how has taken down another fellow Democra

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
17. Anyone can make a judgment on anything....
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:13 PM
Dec 2017

..the question as to whether or not the world needs to hear one's feelings and opinions on that matter is another story altogether. And the question as to whether espousing those opinions does more harm or good is a separate matter.

In the interest of full disclosure I only know that Gillibrand called for Franken's resignation. I do not however know if this is because she was asked or if she felt that her opinion on the matter needed to be announced or sent out in a press release or press conference. At least for me that's a pretty big distinction as to whether someone is expressing and honest opinion when asked about a specific current event, or whether one wants to just have their name in the news and to be commended by the very serious beltway media.

Same goes for everyone else who chimed in on this. Booker, Harris, etc.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
23. So that answers my question.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:16 PM
Dec 2017

Nobody specifically asked her opinion on this, it was something she felt that the world needed to know.

She is absolutely entitled to do that, but conversely we can all interpret that choice however we want to.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. Well, attorneys represent a variety of clients. BUT to defend a sex discriminator, on the one hand..
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:28 PM
Dec 2017

and then later oust a fellow Senator for doing somethings not proven, and denied...well, it's a little hypocritical, don't you think? Not that it was wrong to work for a company that had been found guilty of sex discrimination/harassment more than once. But once you've done that, it's a little disingenuous to turn around and say that people should be held accountable for unproven charges and kicked out of their elected positions for it, without proof.

Lawyers, especially, need to be cognizant of how their past representations have an effect on their current positions.

I don't think she represented PM in those discrimination/harassment lawsuits. But she represented the company for other things.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. My grandfather died from lung cancer. I demand this DINO resign!
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:08 PM
Dec 2017

If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. For her work in covering for the tobacco companies,
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:08 PM
Dec 2017

Gillibrand should immediately resign. We do not need any such corporate apologist for companies that sell a product that kills 400,000 people a year.

Recommended.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
11. That doesn't particularly bother me. She had a job in a huge law firm
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:10 PM
Dec 2017

and was probably assigned one of the onerous tasks new associates get stuck with: Document review and other discovery prep. I doubt that as a young lawyer she would have been responsible for managing that kind of litigation (I once worked for a large law firm and until you're a partner you don't have a damn thing to say about which clients you work for or how the litigation is handled). You do it for a client you may or may not like because it's your job. I am far more concerned with her role in bringing down Al Franken, which pisses me off greatly.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
14. She wants to be President. Fighting for women sounds a whole lot better than fighting for
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:11 PM
Dec 2017

big tobacco. We're supposed to pretend because she a woman she's more moral or ethical? That myth has just been shattered.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
24. For lots of reasons. One of them is that she has all the charisma of a dishrag.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:18 PM
Dec 2017

Another, better reason might be that she helped orchestrate the needless sacrifice of one of our best senators.

padah513

(2,503 posts)
26. We lost one of the good ones today
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:21 PM
Dec 2017

But let's not start doing the republicans work for them. Franken is gone but somebody will come along pick up his mantle and carry it forward. Now more than ever we need to GOTV and Alabama is next in line. We can take it.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
29. Jones is going to lose
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:24 PM
Dec 2017

Moore has not 'admitted' or 'apologized' for anything and even if he did - the white Republican women are leadership are courting - don't care.

I can't wait to see our democratic senators have to kiss Moore's ass. They are. Every. Single. Day.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
33. It was not a secret to me
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:31 PM
Dec 2017

And it was one of the reasons I didn’t like her. But I voted for her anyway. No more.

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