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Who is next on the Republican hit list, it worked so well the first time. (Original Post) Demtexan Dec 2017 OP
If it's Gillibrand the irony will be rich. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #1
I used to do a lot of work Kirsten Gillibrand. Atman Dec 2017 #13
Sorry, it will be a snow ball's chance in hell for me to support her ollie10 Dec 2017 #14
OK so what? You disagree with someone you cut them off like that? Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #19
I have this sneaky hunch that if someone acts cowardly that is a character trait..... ollie10 Dec 2017 #20
I can accept that. Atman Dec 2017 #23
How sweet! ollie10 Dec 2017 #32
Your point is well stated. Thanks. Atman Dec 2017 #37
And thanks to you! ollie10 Dec 2017 #40
Agreed ebbie15644 Dec 2017 #36
That's cool. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #18
Did she give u free cigarettes? Nm bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #29
This is a mans game. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #24
Yeah right. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #26
Dont plan on it. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #28
Adam Schiff Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #2
That's what I'm afraid of. n/t Blaukraut Dec 2017 #6
Correct. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #8
And Eric Swalwell. fleur-de-lisa Dec 2017 #10
Yes. NT enough Dec 2017 #12
That would be an awful blow across our bow for sure pandr32 Dec 2017 #38
Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren RestoreAmerica2020 Dec 2017 #3
Time will tell. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #9
Three courageous senators who joined hands with Gillebrand in throwing Franken to curb ollie10 Dec 2017 #16
They dont mind Sanders like some think. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #25
I agree with you pandr32 Dec 2017 #39
Probably No One DarthDem Dec 2017 #4
Yes they did! atreides1 Dec 2017 #15
Look to who we have up for reelection next year. libtodeath Dec 2017 #5
They may go after bigger fish....like Mueller ollie10 Dec 2017 #21
Someone from a red state - maybe Sherrod Brown. Vinca Dec 2017 #7
yeah....Brown joined Gillebrand too! ollie10 Dec 2017 #17
All those members of Congress who voted against Al better watch their backs. Demtexan Dec 2017 #11
Spine-less Jelly Fish ollie10 Dec 2017 #22
Yep. Demtexan Dec 2017 #27
No shit. Dems took the bait on this one. Beartracks Dec 2017 #30
Republicans: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!! Bengus81 Dec 2017 #31
Even though hes not in office anymore-Barack Obama maryellen99 Dec 2017 #33
Well they already had that youtube video of him taking a call on a plane, with one leg on a seat and OnDoutside Dec 2017 #34
Dem Senators in states with Republican Governors should be quaking in their boots, as a result of OnDoutside Dec 2017 #35

Atman

(31,464 posts)
13. I used to do a lot of work Kirsten Gillibrand.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:24 PM
Dec 2017

Unless she has us all totally duped, she's one of the finest people you'll ever meet. The best of the best in Congress.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
14. Sorry, it will be a snow ball's chance in hell for me to support her
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:28 PM
Dec 2017

She said Bill Clinton should have resigned. She said Franken should resign instead of facing an inquiry.

This is ALL about Gillibrand's ambitions to be president. Very transparent.

No. F-ing. Way.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
20. I have this sneaky hunch that if someone acts cowardly that is a character trait.....
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dec 2017

....not just a disagreement on an issue. If she is cowardly now, maybe out of political ambition, she will not change that character trait.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
23. I can accept that.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:48 PM
Dec 2017

Yes, she's playing politics. But she's playing to today's market. She has laid out her position as the woman fighting against sexual harassment. Unfortunately, that means she has to play the game. That is, by definition, politics.

I do agree with you, it was disappointing to see her call for Clinton and Franken to resign, but I understand. It is very difficult to present yourself as a defender of women while equivocating on Clinton and Franken. That doesn't mean I am happy with her stance, but after years in this biz, I know how it works.

That doesn't change the fact that she is a strong Democratic leader. I certainly could be wrong, but from everything I know about her after years creating constituent briefs and position papers for her, I can honestly stay she stands out as one of the honest ones, one of the politicians I hold up as an example to refute people who say "They all suck! They're all the same!" She has her flaws, as do we all, but I think she has mostly progressive ideals at heart.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
32. How sweet!
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:57 PM
Dec 2017

But nobody put a gun to her back and told her she had to lead the charge to subvert the Senate investigation by demanding an immediate resignation before we knew the truth.

If she really valued justice....instead of it just being a GAME......she would wait until both sides would be presented. To me, justice is not a GAME, it is real life. And on that score, Gillebrand's actions are a miserable failure in my opinion.

I am tired of people dealing with real life issues and treating them like a GAME. There is something very in-authentic about that. Phony. Yuck.

Does she even know the game she is playing?

Has she even imagined that if the right wing hate machine is able to so easily take Franken down (with her help, sad to say) that this will only make it EASIER for them to play another GAME, like accusing someone else? Like Mueller? Or a liberal Democrat?

How many do-overs will Gillibrand have to have before she knows that if you cave, that is not the way to win the GAME?

I think she should stay in the Senate. That's where people who play the GAME apparently belong. But for President? OMG.....

The Rs say jump, she asks how high....that is not leadership. Sorry, she may be a good person,. But not presidential material.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
37. Your point is well stated. Thanks.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:04 PM
Dec 2017

I completely get where you're coming from, and it certainly gives me pause. I don't deny that my own position could be jaded because of the fact that I have worked for her. You make some very valid points.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
40. And thanks to you!
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:15 PM
Dec 2017

I am deeply saddened. Of course, because one of our best and brightest got shafted. But even more disgusted at how quickly our Party went lame. The Republicans must be beside themselves laughing at us! And, as with crimes of opportunity, now that it is apparent...no obvious....that the Democrats have no spine.....there will almost inevitably be more accusations against more Democrats with maybe even more flimsy evidence. Why not? What do they have to lose? We won't fight back anyway. All the Rs have to do is find an issue that the Democrats value, such fighting sexual harassment, and weaponize it against us....find someone else to accuse. They can always get a half dozen anonymous witnesses....easy! I can't really blame them. We will fall for it every single time, like a cat is attracted to catnip.

I do not doubt anything you said about Gillibrand. But, in my view, she is where she needs to be, in the Senate.

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
18. That's cool.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:40 PM
Dec 2017

But if she runs in 2020 I will not support her in the primary. Not a chance.

If she wins the nomination, I will hold my nose and vote for her. The end.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. This is a mans game.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:49 PM
Dec 2017

It won’t be Gillibrand or any other female senator. I’m going to guess some Republicans names who have done worse than Al will be brought up next.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. Dont plan on it.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:52 PM
Dec 2017

Get off DU and check it out. They are already being discussed. You wouldn’t know it here as it’s devolved into a Democratic Party trashing ground.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,627 posts)
10. And Eric Swalwell.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:22 PM
Dec 2017

He is also very critical of Trump. Younger guy from a blue state . . . Roger Stone will be all over that.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
38. That would be an awful blow across our bow for sure
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:13 PM
Dec 2017

He is measured, articulate, intelligent, and effective. He would make an excellent president.
Watch the GOP smear machine pick off our finest.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
16. Three courageous senators who joined hands with Gillebrand in throwing Franken to curb
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:29 PM
Dec 2017

What a disappointment for all three of them

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
15. Yes they did!
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:28 PM
Dec 2017

The Republicans needed to see if this was going to work, and how long it was going to take.

Now that they have a working model, it's a good bet that they already have their next target selected.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
7. Someone from a red state - maybe Sherrod Brown.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:18 PM
Dec 2017

It's easy to cook up allegations about anyone and the GOP has it down to an art.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
11. All those members of Congress who voted against Al better watch their backs.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:22 PM
Dec 2017

The republicans were testing the waters.

They would have backed off if the Democratic members would have backed Al.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
30. No shit. Dems took the bait on this one.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:55 PM
Dec 2017

Oh, and they will again, too. Repubs see this is like shooting fish in a barrel -- and the fish will actually pull the damn triggers!

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OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
34. Well they already had that youtube video of him taking a call on a plane, with one leg on a seat and
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:02 PM
Dec 2017

were trying to spin it. This is where we are at now.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
35. Dem Senators in states with Republican Governors should be quaking in their boots, as a result of
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

today.

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