I will always believe Wellstone was murdered,than they took out Mondale with lies and now they got

[libtodeath]

Franken.

It is too much to bear and a chance the repukes could get a supermajority next year because of this.

[ret5hd]

1. No progressive will survive the democratic party apparatchiks

[Turn CO Blue]

8. Stone Rat-f*cker started it and then certain Dems fragged Al. It was a political fragging. n/t

[Dawson Leery]

2. I buy the argument that Wellstone as murdered,

as Ted Kennedy was to be on that plane (a last minute change of plans saved Teddy K.).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. That's not true. That was a rumor that was circulating at the time

but it was quickly debunked. Kennedy was already on a commercial flight home when the accident happened, and in any even there wouldn't have been room for him in the small King-Air. And Wellstone wasn't murdered; he was the victim of plain old incompetence.

[Wellstone ruled]

5. Poorly maintained Aircraft,

Questionable Pilot Skills. Read the Accident report,Executive Air filed a BK with in weeks of this.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Exactly.

Neither of those pilots should ever have been flying commercial charters. What happened was a basic stupid pilot mistake: They lost track of their inbound course and were so busy trying to see the runway in somewhat poor visibility that they didn't notice that the airplane had slowed too much, and it stalled and crashed. No sabotage, just incompetence.

[Wellstone ruled]

9. The De-Icer Boots

Did not fully deploy.

The BK of this Company burned my Company for a couple Grand. We considered ourselves lucky. The Original owner Couple were so far over their F-----n heads,it was set up to fail from the get-go. Just a total Bull Crap Operation. They sure loved their Lifestyle.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. I recall that, but the crash wasn't caused by ice - just bad flying.

I had a conversation with a lawyer for the charter company's insurer; he had been trying to figure out a way to stick the FAA for the liability (claimed the VOR signal was too inaccurate). The charter company did a crappy job of hiring and training people and making them follow procedures. http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/11/18_zdechlikm_ntsbreport/

[Wellstone ruled]

11. So the Boot Story peddled in and around Eden Prairie Airport

was a distraction. New of the Pilots,used to see them handing in the Get Ready Room from time to time. The AP who filled in blanks later,said straight up,those two Guy's had limited skill levels when it came to Winter Weather Flying Skills.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. Yes, it was one of the theories that was floating around at FCM and elsewhere

because of the weather at the time. I was working at NWA then and we also wondered about ice - but that was quickly rejected as a reason. The pilots just effed up.

[Wellstone ruled]

13. Heard the same from the NWA weather Geeks.

Talk about a Weather operation,after calling on the NWA offices,used to laugh at the local TV reports. Huh,you Guy's got to be kidding. When you see in real time what the Pilots are seeing in places like China and Japan.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

4. This belongs in creative speculation. All evidence points to you being wrong.

[ProfessorPlum]

6. ACORN, John Kerry, Shirley Sherrod, Dan Rather, Max Cleland, . . .