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ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:42 PM Dec 2017

For people like Franken, we should allow a reset and "evolving"

Remember how we allowed people to "evolve" on the gay marriage issue? Can't we do the same for specific types of harassment?

I'm not referring to the Moore, Trump, Weinstein, or even Lauer forms of assault and harassment, but the ambiguous incidents like what Franken has been accused of.

The fact is, social norms were different 10 and 20 years ago. If we continue the zero tolerance approach for behavior that may or may not have occurred during a different era, I think a lot of people (mostly men) will go down in flames.

If we don't make distinctions and inject more common sense into the discussion, I fear a backlash that will set women back decades.

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For people like Franken, we should allow a reset and "evolving" (Original Post) ecstatic Dec 2017 OP
You probably could have... brooklynite Dec 2017 #1
We're going to have to because of the quantity of men involved. It's going to crash the economy Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #2
I think it depends... Jan Levinson Dec 2017 #3
Policy positions and personal behavior are very different loyalsister Dec 2017 #4

brooklynite

(94,596 posts)
1. You probably could have...
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:50 PM
Dec 2017

...if it was one incident and he accepted responsibility and profusely apologized.

That's not how this situation played out.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
2. We're going to have to because of the quantity of men involved. It's going to crash the economy
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:51 PM
Dec 2017

will all these peeps out of a job.

Jan Levinson

(16 posts)
3. I think it depends...
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 04:57 PM
Dec 2017

Based on the evidence we have now, I am disappointed Franken resigned, but if WaPost is really working on a new article about sexual harassment and Congress, for all we know there could be more to the story. Although I think the story was unfairly blown up by conservative media, which lead to democratic outcry, for all we know Franken resigned because there could be more we don’t even know about.

The bottom line is that on college campuses one in every four females is assaulted. This statistic tells me that a good percentage of men have engaged in sexual misconduct in some sort of fashion; therefore, realistically, there probably are forgivable areas. What type of acts are forgiveable, I don’t know yet. It’s defintitely a conversation worth having.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
4. Policy positions and personal behavior are very different
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 05:03 PM
Dec 2017

There is no way to put an end to electing people who have not yet evolved if the system that protects them remains in place. Remembering Anita Hill... did men from both parties protect Clarence Thomas because they knew they had an ass grab in their past? Probably at least a few. In which case they would have deferred to the system they knew protected them all.
We have been waiting for a long time for a system to evolve that no longer confirms, protects, and elects sexual predators. Franken's rejection of it is a step in that direction.

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