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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:10 PM Dec 2017

Among the biggest losers today - Al Franken's accusers.

It's well-established that victims of sexual harassment and assault have been, and continue to be, shamed, silenced and ridiculed. The #metoo movement has provided a needed catalyst to allow these victims the opportunity to be heard. It's a welcome paradigm shift which finally empowers otherwise voiceless women and men.

But is that enough? Is giving these victims a voice the best outcome? No. They should also be afforded the opportunity to confront their abusers and to be adequately compensated for their suffering - in whatever fashion is most appropriate.

However, Franken's accusers were not provided this remedy. None of them - especially those who chose to remain anonymous - achieved due process. The venue was available, and the proceedings had begun. They would have been, had they so desired, able to confront the Senator and demand redress. It didn't happen though, because such proceedings would have been "difficult". The hell with that.

If that's the ultimate outcome of this current chapter, it was a wasted opportunity. One very tiny step forward, when the chance to make a giant leap was offered up on a gilded platter.

Is this the precedent established today? Will other victims be constrained to be mere voices of outrage, or will they be able to confront their abusers in a public setting? If it's not the latter, then what's truly been accomplished?

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Among the biggest losers today - Al Franken's accusers. (Original Post) OilemFirchen Dec 2017 OP
Yes hurple Dec 2017 #1
Anita Hill had a great time... brooklynite Dec 2017 #2
These people were anonymous for a reason...Tweeden has multiple tweets to Trump Junior...rightie Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #3
+1000 OnDoutside Dec 2017 #12
Thanks. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #15
You remember her name. OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #4
If we're to take accusations seriously, your last point is especially important. kcr Dec 2017 #5
Well said. Egnever Dec 2017 #9
Biggest losers 110liberal Dec 2017 #6
Going to court is no walk in the park for the victims. crazycatlady Dec 2017 #14
In order for the women to be compensated TexasTowelie Dec 2017 #7
Hard to tell what might have happened. OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #8
+1 2naSalit Dec 2017 #13
That's some convoluted logic. Most of the accusers were anonymous, which indicates LisaL Dec 2017 #10
I'm sure they could have been accomodated in a closed-door session. OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #11

hurple

(1,306 posts)
1. Yes
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:14 PM
Dec 2017

I would have loved for them to be forced to provide evidence of the accusations... Because what we have seen so far does not hold water.

Not one of his accusers is credible nor offer any credible evidence.

Not. One.

None. At. All.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
3. These people were anonymous for a reason...Tweeden has multiple tweets to Trump Junior...rightie
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:18 PM
Dec 2017

liars...couldn't stand scrutiny.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
5. If we're to take accusations seriously, your last point is especially important.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:20 PM
Dec 2017

Most women aren't victimized by senators and Weinsteins. They aren't going to be able to make an accusation that gets a social media hearing of outrage that shames the attacker and forces them out of their position. This might work to make everyone feel like they're doing something to "show they're serious about harassment", and it sure can make for a convenient tool for politicians, but isn't going to work as a vehicle for systemic change. If it accomplishes anything, it will create a backlash against victims.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
14. Going to court is no walk in the park for the victims.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 07:37 PM
Dec 2017

t is one of the many reasons a lot of victims do not step forward.

Let's take a trial from this summer. Victim is not an anonymous source but instead one of the biggest celebrities on the planet. In addition, she's worth 9 figures.

His attorneys still humiliated her on the stand.

"Going to court to confront this type of behavior is a lonely and draining experience, even when you win, even when you have the financial ability to defend yourself."

Here are some more stories from the trial.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/taylor-swift-sexual-assault-quotes-denver-david-mueller-testimony-court-jury-a7887471.html

TexasTowelie

(112,237 posts)
7. In order for the women to be compensated
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:48 PM
Dec 2017

they will need to prove that they suffered damages because of Franken's actions. Did any of these women seek medical attention after the incidents, did any of them seek psychiatric help afterwards? I don't see where any of the women suffered and some of them are trying to benefit from the publicity of these incidents. The women had their 15 minutes of fame and their compensation was Franken's resignation. They won't receive any other compensation since the statute of limitations has expired and because their legal cases were extremely weak.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
8. Hard to tell what might have happened.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:57 PM
Dec 2017

FTR, I unequivocally believe that this was a well-orchestrated smear campaign. And because there will never be - as far as we can determine - a public airing of these grievances, I'll likely maintain that perspective. I suspect many others are like me.

Maybe my mind might have been changed, had the scheduled hearing taken place. Maybe these women would have been vindicated - perhaps even compensated. But we'll never know, I presume.

Guess that's just another unintended consequence.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
10. That's some convoluted logic. Most of the accusers were anonymous, which indicates
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 07:06 PM
Dec 2017

they didn't even want people to know who they are. Are you suggesting they were somehow looking forward to testifying at his Ethics Hearing? I don't think anonymous testimony would be allowed.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
11. I'm sure they could have been accomodated in a closed-door session.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 07:09 PM
Dec 2017

They could also have chosen not to exercise their rights.

How does that affect those who've made their identities known? Don't they deserve due process?

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