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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAmong the biggest losers today - Al Franken's accusers.
It's well-established that victims of sexual harassment and assault have been, and continue to be, shamed, silenced and ridiculed. The #metoo movement has provided a needed catalyst to allow these victims the opportunity to be heard. It's a welcome paradigm shift which finally empowers otherwise voiceless women and men.
But is that enough? Is giving these victims a voice the best outcome? No. They should also be afforded the opportunity to confront their abusers and to be adequately compensated for their suffering - in whatever fashion is most appropriate.
However, Franken's accusers were not provided this remedy. None of them - especially those who chose to remain anonymous - achieved due process. The venue was available, and the proceedings had begun. They would have been, had they so desired, able to confront the Senator and demand redress. It didn't happen though, because such proceedings would have been "difficult". The hell with that.
If that's the ultimate outcome of this current chapter, it was a wasted opportunity. One very tiny step forward, when the chance to make a giant leap was offered up on a gilded platter.
Is this the precedent established today? Will other victims be constrained to be mere voices of outrage, or will they be able to confront their abusers in a public setting? If it's not the latter, then what's truly been accomplished?
hurple
(1,306 posts)I would have loved for them to be forced to provide evidence of the accusations... Because what we have seen so far does not hold water.
Not one of his accusers is credible nor offer any credible evidence.
Not. One.
None. At. All.
brooklynite
(94,592 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)liars...couldn't stand scrutiny.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I sense that it was worth it to her, and to the rest of the world.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Most women aren't victimized by senators and Weinsteins. They aren't going to be able to make an accusation that gets a social media hearing of outrage that shames the attacker and forces them out of their position. This might work to make everyone feel like they're doing something to "show they're serious about harassment", and it sure can make for a convenient tool for politicians, but isn't going to work as a vehicle for systemic change. If it accomplishes anything, it will create a backlash against victims.
110liberal
(21 posts)Take rumors and anonymous sources into a courtroom and see how far that gets you.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)t is one of the many reasons a lot of victims do not step forward.
Let's take a trial from this summer. Victim is not an anonymous source but instead one of the biggest celebrities on the planet. In addition, she's worth 9 figures.
His attorneys still humiliated her on the stand.
"Going to court to confront this type of behavior is a lonely and draining experience, even when you win, even when you have the financial ability to defend yourself."
Here are some more stories from the trial.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/taylor-swift-sexual-assault-quotes-denver-david-mueller-testimony-court-jury-a7887471.html
TexasTowelie
(112,237 posts)they will need to prove that they suffered damages because of Franken's actions. Did any of these women seek medical attention after the incidents, did any of them seek psychiatric help afterwards? I don't see where any of the women suffered and some of them are trying to benefit from the publicity of these incidents. The women had their 15 minutes of fame and their compensation was Franken's resignation. They won't receive any other compensation since the statute of limitations has expired and because their legal cases were extremely weak.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)FTR, I unequivocally believe that this was a well-orchestrated smear campaign. And because there will never be - as far as we can determine - a public airing of these grievances, I'll likely maintain that perspective. I suspect many others are like me.
Maybe my mind might have been changed, had the scheduled hearing taken place. Maybe these women would have been vindicated - perhaps even compensated. But we'll never know, I presume.
Guess that's just another unintended consequence.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)they didn't even want people to know who they are. Are you suggesting they were somehow looking forward to testifying at his Ethics Hearing? I don't think anonymous testimony would be allowed.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)They could also have chosen not to exercise their rights.
How does that affect those who've made their identities known? Don't they deserve due process?