Tweet From Franken Accusor the Year she Met Him

[JI7]

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most people see through her and she is looking for her 15 minutes . on her twitter page someone asks why she deleted this. if she did, it just shows how her accusations are BS. and trying to change what was actually said when it happened.

Also, her description of groping was when he put his arm around her waist to take a pic.

Link to tweet

[pbmus]

1. I believe Al when he said he refutes some of these...

Allegations and remembers others differently...

He will take a short break and run for governor of Minnesota and do more good for Minnesota than he could have done hanging on in a defiled senate...

[SFnomad]

4. I'm sure the Republicans will thank you for withholding your vote n/t

[chwaliszewski]

8. Ah, the old guilt ploy.

How about Dems sticking together?

[SFnomad]

12. It's hard to "stick together" when one of you decides to take your vote and go home n/t

[chwaliszewski]

13. By sticking together, I also mean...

that fellow Democratic Senators should wait for the results of an ethics committee investigation and not force one of their own out the door. As much as I completely loathe Republicans, I'll give them credit for closing ranks to protect a fellow politician. We should've done the same with Al Franken. It's almost as if we're trying to oust him in order to take some sort of moral high ground so that we can try to make the Republicans force Roy Moore to drop out. Yeah, like that is ever gonna happen.

Back to your statement of people taking their vote and going home, that is their prerogative. However, we should try to find out why they did that in the first place and find a remedy for it in the future.

[msongs]

6. maybe she saw a chance to promote herself and took it. very political. nt

[still_one]

33. First criteria which will help me determine who I will vote for in the primaries is if they have

critical thinking skills.

[trueblue2007]

3. liar liar

[democratisphere]

5. What a sham scam has been perpetrated on Al Franken.

His accusers are frauds.

[OAITW r.2.0]

7. Who would you want to hang with for the rest of your life with?

Al Franken or the wierdo running for Senate in AL?

for

[SeaDoo77]

9. Been Calling My Rep And Senators (Staff) Today Letting Them Know How Pissed Off I Am

For them throwing Al out of the Senate when I didn't hear anything that I thought was that serious.

This will backfire on us dems big time.

[Tavarious Jackson]

10. It was a hit job by both D's and R's...

Ellison will replace Franken.

[still_one]

34. No he won't. The Governor has already indicated he would appoint his Lt Governor to fill Al Franken

seat

[Wwcd]

37. No he won't. Our Revolution & Nina T have ruined the appeal for Ellison.

They are a very divisive group.
Ellison also called for Franken's resignation.
Now he wants his job!?
Geez!

[Cattledog]

11. More evidence of a set up.

[oberliner]

14. No wonder accusers sometimes wish to remain anonymous

When they give their names, they are called liars (or worse) and harassed online.

Link to tweet

[JI7]

15. lolol, bringing up what she tweeted isn't bullying . but questioning Obama's Birth

like the scumbag trash Tweeden and Trump is what shitty fucked up people do.

[blue cat]

20. + 1 n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Are we talking about different accusers ?

Dupuy isn't a Birther. She worked for Alan Grayson.

[LisaL]

24. I don't wonder why accusers wish to remind anonymous, but

anonymous accusations are easy to make and then hide behind being anonymous. So why should I believe those?

[pnwmom]

57. She should have. Her claim that he groped her because he put her arm around her in a photo op

if the stupidest yet.

She'd been standing in line for a photo. She saw how the photos were being taken. If she didn't want his arm around her waist, she should have left the line or told him she didn't want him to touch her.

[Doodley]

16. It is time to stop these conspiracy theories that blame the women.

[JI7]

18. posting what a person themselves posted is not a conspiracy theory

[Doodley]

22. You basically implied that she is a liar when you wrote that most people can see through her.

Will you please stop blaming women?

[JI7]

23. most women like myself can see through her bs , and her excuse for people that support Moore and

Trump.

[quickesst]

35. "Will you please stop blaming women?"

A more truthful response from you would have been: "Will you please stop blaming this individual woman?"

The poster is not blaming all women, which you "basically implied".

[Doodley]

40. I didn't imply the poster was blaming "all women." I said "stop blaming women" because

here is a thread started by somebody calling the claims of one of the women "BS," when the poster does not know that for a fact. What we know for a fact is that Al Franken has stated that he himself has been "disgusted" by his own behavior and he has said he will resign. It is sickening in that situation to see Democrats appearing to make a case that Franken is the victim here.

[quickesst]

42. "Stop blaming women"

...as in plural. I absolutely agree that this is what you wrote. Your statement also implies that the poster makes a habit of blaming women. I see no evidence of that. I stand by what I wrote.

[Doodley]

43. This thread is about trying to make Al Franken the victim. I ask that we stop blaming the women.

[quickesst]

48. According to....

.... one rather prominent DU defender of this trump voting republican, best friends with donnie trump jr. woman thinks that 90% of Democratic Underground believes Al Franken very well could be a victim. Speaks volumes. What proof other than a goofy hover hands photo and the word of several Republican women do you have that proves we should believe them? The anonymous accusers can't be proven because no one knows who they are, and if they even exist. I believe Al Franken could very well be a victim of being railroaded. One more thing. I did not reply to the OP subject. I replied to a poster who I believe was errant in their reply to another DU member.

[lostnfound]

54. Do you blame the women that accused Trump? Care about them much? Nt

[lostnfound]

53. No it isnt. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

[pnwmom]

58. This particular woman's claim is bogus. She stood in line to get a photo with him.

She could easily see that when he took photos with women he put an arm around them.

If she didn't want that, she should have gotten out of line OR told him she didn't want him to touch her.

[Dorian Gray]

17. I 100%

stand behind the idea that Franken should have had an ethics investigation rather than retire right now. I am not convinced that the gravity of the complaints against him deserve for him to quit his position.

Having said that, I DO NOT like the blaming of women who found his behavior problematic. I do not like finding something they said to contradict it. As any woman knows, we've all put up with bullshit. Some of it is so normalized that we don't find it problematic until way after the fact. And sometimes it takes a lot of people coming forward to realize that it's a pattern of behavior.


(Like.... Al Franken grabbed my butt during a photo op? Oh, it was probably a mistake. It was crowded in there and quick, and he either accidentally did it thinking it was my waist. Plus, he's always been our champion, so benefit of the doubt.....

Wait? 8 other women have come forward? He's done this repeatedly? Crap. It probably wasn't a mistake. It's a pattern, and he's a dirtbag.)

That wouldn't be a shocking thing to think.

So who cares if she posted a pro Franken tweet years ago. Stop trying to discredit the woman who came forward.

[JI7]

19. it's a pattern of BS. and when people start complaining about people posting exactly what they

themselves have posted and said it points people wanting to deny facts.

[LisaL]

21. Her story that Franken put his hand around her waist and squeezed for a photo.

That's groping now? How about you if you set new standards for what groping is, you don't go many years back in time to look for offenders, when it wasn't considered groping, and instead use it going forward, when people know this is now groping.

[Dorian Gray]

25. She said he squeezed her waist....

(Which is why I said the complaints should have been investigated by an ethics committee, but I didn't think they were serious enough for him to resign. I also hold that by seeing a pattern unfold more people will question their previous encounters with him....)

[LisaL]

26. Is that groping?

I you hug someone and squeeze their waist? I guess you leave a couple inches and pretend to do it? An "air" hug instead of a side hug?

[Dorian Gray]

27. You're asking me for confirmation on something....

I don't know. If he touched and squeezed her bare skin somehow? sure. If he squeezed her when she felt it was uncomfortable? maybe... maybe not. I don't know.... I'd like her to explain more about HOW this made her uncomfortable and why she considers it groping in the same vein as a butt squeeze.

As I have said: They should take it to the ethics committee and try it there. Discuss each allegation. And determine the proper course of action for him. NOT force him to resign.

[LisaL]

28. So it made her uncomfortable and years later he is supposed to resign?

That's the new standard?

[Dorian Gray]

29. Is she the only complainant?

There are 8 of them.

And I've said repeatedly I DO NOT THINK HE SHOULD RESIGN!

INVESTIGATE.

You can keep arguing against something I didn't say..... but i didn't say he should resign. Not in one post of mine.

[LisaL]

30. Is 8 that magic number?

We have to believe all the accusations if they reach 8?
In this age of social media?

[Dorian Gray]

31. Oh Jesus....

Yep. 8 is a magic number.

If it stayed at 7 he would have been golden.

LOL...



What I'm saying is that THIS attitude isn't okay: "I believe women when they say they've been harassed or attacked or made uncomfortable. Until I don't. And then it's okay to discredit them by any means necessary."

[LisaL]

32. I believe in innocent unless proven guilty.

[Dorian Gray]

36. In every single case?

Roy Moore?

[LisaL]

38. If only Roy Moore wasn't accused, otherwise I would so vote for him...

[Dorian Gray]

60. Oooh

Eye-rolling!

Sure showed me.

[Doodley]

44. He resigned because of one person: Al Franken, the man who failed many times to respect the

boundaries of other people, and what a coincidence, they were all young women. He should have kept his hands to himself. That is a standard that suits me, how about you?

[Demit]

49. I like what you said earlier

about knowing things for a fact. That's a good standard to have.

[pandr32]

39. Kicking

[zipplewrath]

45. Anita Hill accusation

I'm afraid you're going the same place that Anita Hill was taken. It was pointed out how long she maintained a relationship with Thomas well after the incidents she was reporting. There are many reasons that people, especially women, decide to "tolerate" something in order to leverage larger benefits.

[kcr]

55. in order to leverage benefits?

I mean. Come on. I'm really starting to worry about some of the arguments being made now that everyone is talking about sexual harassment and taking it seriously. Just. No.

[zipplewrath]

56. Yes

Look, abused women often have difficult decisions to make. Hill kept in contact because the jerk could still be useful. She suffered the abuse, she wanted to leverage the situation to get opportunities. Doesn't mean you approve of the jerk.

Abused women often won't leave the abuser out of fear that he'll kill the dog. The Women's shelter here has a kennel specifically for that reason. Some won't leave because the guy qualifies as "day care" for her kids. So they stay. By the time they get before a judge, you can't imagine how many judges say "you couldn't have been that afraid or you would have left".

Be careful of prejudging the decisions of someone who is being abused.

[kcr]

59. You're talking about why women don't leave their abusers

For one thing, I don't think I've ever heard the term "leveraging benefits" used to describe the reasons why women don't leave their abusers. But we're talking about accusations involving imbalance of power. I'm arguing that phrases like "leveraging benefits" in that context play right into the narratives of those who tend to blame victims.

[zipplewrath]

61. Blaming no one

The original assertion is that a simple tweet was the reason that one could assume the accuser was lying. The same charges were made against Anita Hill. The explanation was always that despite the despicable behavior, she stayed in contact with him to be able to use those connections to her advantage.

[kcr]

62. I don't think that's the assertion, though

I think just about everyone already thought her story was baloney.

[zipplewrath]

63. It seems to be

It's a pretty short post, attempting to throw doubt on her story based upon an old tweet that shone favorably on Franken.

[kcr]

64. Only because hardly anyone does nuance anymore.

Oh, they're pointing at a tweet as evidence! That must mean they're saying that ALWAYS means it's evidence EVERY TIME! HAWWWWW!!!!!

It's as if there's no such thing as context. That nothing can ever be situational. It's ridiculous.

[zipplewrath]

66. Well, but that was my point

In this case I don't think that tweet is evidence of anything. Doesn't make the rest of her story necessarily credible, but that tweet is meaningless to the larger issue. If she is lying, that tweet doesn't demonstrate it. If she isn't, it doesn't undermine her assertion.

[kcr]

68. It's not evidence of anything because there is no thing.

Her accusation is he touched her waist. This isn't a rape accusation. This isn't an anything accusation. If this had been a rape claim, and someone came along with a pic and said, see? Look! Evidence it's false! I'd agree with you 100% But claiming that a person is trying to smear the accuser as a liar in this instance doesn't work. The context is different. In this case, I think it's valid because the person is trying to turn waist touching during a photo op into sexual harassment.

[oasis]

46. So we lose Franken on this person's flimsy account?

What next?

[dalton99a]

47. Kick

[d_r]

51. what did it say?

[lostnfound]

52. Deleted now, what did it say? Nt

[TCJ70]

65. This isn't the tweet in question but it's referencing the same event...

Link to tweet

[yurbud]

67. tweet is gone

[JI7]

69. Post 65