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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat the world wants to know - who authorized the United States
to decide the capitol of Israel?
I am so sick of this shit.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)malaise
(269,050 posts)to all others and gave himself the right to kill, enslave, loot and plunder others in the name of 'civilization' - talk about an inversion of reality. Ask the indigenous people's of our planet any and everywhere.
There are days I want to jump off this planet.
US policies have encouraged Israel for way too long.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)I'm gonna get yelled at for this, but the "white man" is not the devil. We are not more evil in our desire to conquer and control, we are usually just better at it.
Genghis Khan, the Aztecs, Japanese invasion of Korea, Pre-Columbian Native North American warfare, expansion of African kingdoms...
Need I go on?
Violence and domination are human characteristics, not characteristics of particular humans, and the legendary peaceful societies are often either not so peaceful when looked at closely, or so remote they have no need to defend themselves.
(Aztecs threw big parties when they sacrificed the wartime losers to their gods. Slaves they dealt with in other ways.)
malaise
(269,050 posts)but technological advancements and the denial of technology to others have given him an unbelievable advantage. And never forget the role of 'them popes'.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)being evil than others. However not all white men are evil. However, you'll also notice that men are considered the evil sex in all societies.
Except of course when they're blaming the ills of the world on women.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)Youre absolutely right that many humans have natural instincts to exert power and domination over others. That said, I would hope that we could learn lessons from history about the horrific mistreatment of fellow humans (although fellow humans like ISIS deserve obliteration). In most of todays world, there is no need to conquer other countries or to eliminate an entire population in order to protect your own society. Organizations like Boko Haram need to get the message, but I would argue that Isreal is also guilty of ethnic cleansing. In 1948, Jews from Europe were given a great giftat the expense of the Palestinians because they fought on the wrong side and the British took control of the Ottoman Empire. Early on, some Palestinians were paid for their lands, but later Israel just took the land. As a new nation, Israel was not satisfied with their gift. They wanted more and more and more landto the point that they have now pushed the Palestinians into very little space. The Gaza strip supports more than a million people, but its water supplies are overtaxed and becoming more saline. What will happen when they have no more fresh water? Some years ago, Israel proposed moving them to the Sinai desert, knowing there is no water there. I believe that Israels goal has always been to eliminate the Palestinian population entirely. Sadly, they now have an ally in the White House who would be willing to help them do that.
Israel never intended to have a two-state solution, and they have had a strong ally in the U.S. to prevent that happening. The Arab nations also have done very little to support the Palestinians. They are a people with no homeland and no real power. Yet they have an even greater claim to the land than Israel does. They and their ancestors have been living there for thousands of years. Why is this claim so unimportant to the rest of the world?
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True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)we baptized the Amer Indians babies before we ran a sword thru them and pitched them on the fire!
malaise
(269,050 posts)and they told us all to read the bible - while we were reading they stole everything and we still have not learned. Now we are shopping for shit.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)In New Orleans and Mobile.
The native Americans helped us fight.
Guys,I was just kidding about leaving out Pearl Harbor..
We elected IKE after the war. He could have run in any party. Wonder what he would say about his party today?
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L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And they are everywhere in history.
I would argue that little has changed since men decided they were superior and began enslaving women. Next came enslaving other men. Then religion was invented to control slaves and enforce coercive social stratification. Next came warfare when people became an unwilling commodity. Then history had to be destroyed, religion imposed in the lands conquered to obtain new slaves, and a false narrative imposed ..... and here we are, generally ignorant of what came before.
The realization of true history is the cultural liberation needed to undo the harm our past imposes on us today.
malaise
(269,050 posts)and religion is #1.
Great post
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)AAA Position Paper on "Race":
In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.
brooklynite
(94,592 posts)The native Israelis are Semitic...and so are the Palestinians.
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)There was no Jewish state until the 1940's when the White Men of Britain, France, America, and Russia created the state out of land that had been the home of Palestinians for centuries. The precursor to that was White Men from Britain and France with the Sykes-Picot agreement, partitioning the dead Ottoman Empire and encouraging the beginnings of the Zionist movement. The Palestinians were pushed onto the least favorable lands and basically left to their own devices while Israel received support.
I do not believe that White men are evil. They have however believed that they are superior and in that belief, they laid the seeds of conflict around the world by making decisions against the will of others.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)that someday once again, we all will become Cosmic Dust! But I must say I was hoping it would be later than sooner!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)from the United Shates.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Says it all
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)I hate myself!
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)He was elected (by Russia) to rule the entire world. Why? Because of his superior intellect, high morals, and bulging bank accounts. None of those are true by the way.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)There was absolutely no practical reason to do this, and there is no practical reason for a billionaire tax cut either.
This leads me to conclude that they do it simply because they can and they don't give a damn about ANYONE but their most wealthy donors. Yet Americans vote for them. They would be cheering against them in a fucking movie.
I suggest we replace our national motto to "DUH"
IronLionZion
(45,451 posts)Cuba's capital can be Mar-A-Lago
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Won't work. He's too much of a despot even for Cuba.
Jose Garcia
(2,598 posts)And only one Democrat in the Senate voted against the bill:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00496
onenote
(42,714 posts)After all, you have to know that the US didn't "decide" the capital of Israel - Israel did. What Trump did was recognize Israel's decision.
Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital has been the formal policy position of both repubs and Democrats for many years -- it's expressly stated as such in the Democratic Party platforms from 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016. And there is Congressional mandate for such recognition, albeit with a waiver provision that has, correctly in my view, been relied on by every president for decades. Even Trump relied on the waiver provision so as not to have to move the embassy when he first took office. But now he's reversed himself to pander to his base and Israel hard-liners.
I think Trump was wrong to do so, but I still don't get your question.
Nitram
(22,813 posts)They are just two ethical and smart to do so.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)our embassy, which is in Tel Aviv, would move to Jerusalem. IIRC, every other country's embassies are in Tel Aviv.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)before you blame donnie for all this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act
The act asserted that every country has a right to designate the capital of its choice, and that Israel has designated Jerusalem. The act notes that "the city of Jerusalem is the seat of Israel's President, Parliament, and Supreme Court, and the site of numerous government ministries and social and cultural institutions." Jerusalem is defined as the spiritual center of Judaism. Furthermore, it stipulates that since the reunification of Jerusalem in 1967, religious freedom has been guaranteed to all.
S. 1322 also stated that "Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of the State of Israel; and the United States Embassy in Israel should be established in Jerusalem no later than May 31, 1999".
Although the Senate and House votes preceded visits by then Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert to Washington to celebrate the 3000th anniversary of King David's declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of the Jews,[26] little to no progress were achieved in the physical relocation of the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem until December 2017.
This was passed OVERWHELMINGLY by congress - only one Democrat voted against, Bill Clinton allowed it to become law without his signature on November 8, 1995. So how exactly is this Degenerate Donnie's fault? So the "world" is 22 years late in whining about it.
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Vinca
(50,278 posts)And wouldn't an embassy move anywhere within a country be at the invitation of the country?
onenote
(42,714 posts)I don't think a separate invitation is needed.
hack89
(39,171 posts)it is the seat of the Israeli government. The Israelis want the US embassy in Jerusalem.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Israel has done a very good job stopping terrorist attacks on their territory.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I, too, am sick of this shit.