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Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:18 AM Dec 2017

Kirsten Gillibrands Moment Has Arrived

The New York senator has made sexual assault the focus of her political career. Now, the world has caught up with her.
By DAVID FREEDLANDER December 7, 2017

The Washington sky was darkening outside her window, and Kirsten Gillibrand slumped down in her chair. It had been a long day. In the morning, the New York senator hosted a news conference with a mother whose twin 6-year-old daughters had been allegedly raped by their father’s military commander. As she walked off the podium, she’d been confronted by questions about her colleague Al Franken’s reported history of groping women, news that broke for the first time that morning. “Deeply concerning,” she replied, adding that she believed the story of his accusers. “I expect to hear more from Senator Franken.” And she had just come from a podcast interview with the New York Times in which she’d blown through the Democratic code of silence on Clinton misdeeds by saying that yes, if Bill Clinton were president now, he would have to resign after something like the Monica Lewinsky affair.

That last one wasn’t a piece of news Gillibrand had planned on making that morning. She had long been a supporter of the Clintons, both of them. She inherited Hillary Clinton’s seat in the Senate, and credits her with the decision to run for office in the first place. Bill Clinton campaigned for her in her first run for Congress. She strongly supported both of Hillary’s campaigns for president. But Gillibrand is no longer a rank-and-file Clinton Democrat. As the nation is convulsed with a deluge of allegations of sexual harassment and assault, one that seemingly every day fells another star, Gillibrand is at the political center of it. For years she has been battling against sexual assault in the military and on campus, and talking about sexual harassment in politics, and now at last it seems as if the rest of the world has caught up to her concerns. And so once the question has been put before you, in this political moment, when at long last it looks like all of that work is finally paying off and progress is being made, what else can you say about Bill Clinton lying about having oral sex with his 22-year-old intern other than that he should have stepped down and “things have changed today”?

The blowback was immediate. “Over 20 yrs you took the Clintons endorsement, money and seat. Hypocrite,” wrote Philippe Reines, a longtime Clinton confidant, on Twitter. “Interesting strategy for 2020 primaries. Best of luck.”

The first half of the tweet was predictable, a Clinton loyalist biting back at a perceived threat to the family. But the second half was telling. The world is paying attention to Gillibrand in a new way. At least since the day after Donald Trump’s inauguration, when Gillibrand thrilled the crowd at the Women’s March, jabbing the air with her finger and telling them, “This is the moment of the beginning of the revival of the women’s movement. This is the moment you will remember when women stood strong and stood firm and said never again. This is the moment that you are going to be heard!” The 51-year-old Gillibrand has come to represent a rising generation of Democratic leaders, one who came of age in an era when equality of the sexes was something almost taken for granted. And the buzz about her presidential ambitions has only grown.

For years, the issues that Gillibrand has made her name on—aid for 9/11 workers, ending "don’t ask don’t tell" in the military, transgender rights—were important but distinct, touching on segments of American life that most people never interact with. And now, at a moment when the cover has been ripped off toxic workplaces from Hollywood to Wall Street, Gillibrand is finding that the rest of the world has caught up with her crusades.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/07/kirsten-gillibrand-profile-feature-sexual-assault-2017-216053

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Kirsten Gillibrands Moment Has Arrived (Original Post) Renew Deal Dec 2017 OP
Not a fan Vidal Dec 2017 #1
Its better to know than to think Renew Deal Dec 2017 #5
Totally agree with you. Did she pen this article? jrthin Dec 2017 #8
+1000000000000 bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #33
+1 krawhitham Dec 2017 #87
How about: moderate conservative, progressive-lite, opportunist? Hortensis Dec 2017 #89
Great response. In other words, it doesn't come naturally to her. octoberlib Dec 2017 #94
It seemed notable that it took into her 40s, when needing Hortensis Dec 2017 #96
Gillibrand is an opportunist of the first degree!! NYgal Dec 2017 #104
Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #105
I can see having a huge problem with that, all right. Hortensis Dec 2017 #108
welcome to DU gopiscrap Dec 2017 #119
You said it! Jane Austin Dec 2017 #103
So... is there an acceptable number of sex offenders in the Senate? ck4829 Dec 2017 #2
Really? You equate Roy Moore with anonymous women who asked for pictures? Thor_MN Dec 2017 #31
Moore is a child molester Franken is not..... stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #40
There is no circumstance that would make me avebury Dec 2017 #3
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #7
That's the problem. The more we learn about her, jrthin Dec 2017 #11
I have learned enough to know she will destroy the party. JimBeard Dec 2017 #15
lol Renew Deal Dec 2017 #16
But..but.. workinclasszero Dec 2017 #71
HORRIBLY TRUE JimBeard Dec 2017 #97
I think that's going a little far... but, she does deserve closer scrutiny InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #79
What have I learned about the Democratic Party? avebury Dec 2017 #22
If we go by 'due process' sabbat hunter Dec 2017 #86
But Roger Stone is not playing the Lee Atwater dirty tricks avebury Dec 2017 #93
If she all there is, I'd probably vote for her. But as my Senator, jrthin Dec 2017 #14
Well, in the primaries obviously there's no way I'm voting for her Johonny Dec 2017 #24
Unfortunately, I think that if Trump decides he avebury Dec 2017 #32
He's not going to be exciting crowds for long rainin Dec 2017 #55
I agree disndat Dec 2017 #42
So if she were the nominee vs Trump in 20 Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #98
The TLDR vi5 Dec 2017 #4
She stood up against harassment and assault before it was fashionable Renew Deal Dec 2017 #9
And then destroyed it by becoming a zealot Egnever Dec 2017 #17
Except as the article points out... vi5 Dec 2017 #21
+1 Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2017 #51
But she failed to realize that not every complaint will be a valid complaint. avebury Dec 2017 #29
She still could stand against those things, without abandoning other principles like due process. Demit Dec 2017 #48
Ahhh...she was a blue dog congressperson before she opportunistically took Clinton... brush Dec 2017 #58
But she was our only choice to be able to win!!! vi5 Dec 2017 #66
I'm trying to get with your post. Sarcasm, yes? NY is not a red state, and Hillary already had... brush Dec 2017 #67
Sorry, I forgot to add the sarcasm... vi5 Dec 2017 #69
she is now dead to me...fell for GOP machinations with Franken situation. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #73
she fell for repuke dirty tricks Skittles Dec 2017 #106
She took the cash raised by the Party & Clintons & stabbed them both in the back. Wwcd Dec 2017 #6
What revolution? Renew Deal Dec 2017 #10
All hail the next leader of the inquisition Egnever Dec 2017 #12
I luv this thread. Nt BootinUp Dec 2017 #75
The comments...wow. An ugly underbelly has been exposed here over the past couple of days. LexVegas Dec 2017 #13
"Damned uppity wimmen-folk need to keep their traps shut!!" bullwinkle428 Dec 2017 #18
Accusers must be interrogated! No anonymity for victims! nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #20
And anyone accused must automatically be guilty! bench scientist Dec 2017 #30
It is what happened during the Viet Nam war protests. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #53
Nothing new. MrsCoffee Dec 2017 #56
Big surprise bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #36
Youll be alright, I promise. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #46
I agree. I have been shocked by so many not wanting to do the right thing. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #52
I was very impressed by her early on in her Senate career NewJeffCT Dec 2017 #19
She can always go back to working as a corporate attorney defending big tobacco. jalan48 Dec 2017 #23
If corporate work defending Walmart didn't bother you Renew Deal Dec 2017 #28
Yep nothing says I'm a Democrat like supporting a union bashing company. jalan48 Dec 2017 #35
Until she goes after Trump as zealously as she went after Al Franken, I'm just irritated at her atm Arazi Dec 2017 #25
Here you go Renew Deal Dec 2017 #37
Sorry. Not enough. Press conferences, multiple interviews, op eds, Twitter Arazi Dec 2017 #43
Yeah when is Trump resigning? workinclasszero Dec 2017 #38
No, its not. Its Kamala Harris time. octoberlib Dec 2017 #26
Let's see her go after Roy Moore and trump with even half the energy she applied..... Paladin Dec 2017 #27
This! smirkymonkey Dec 2017 #34
Here you go Renew Deal Dec 2017 #39
Senator Pedo Moore workinclasszero Dec 2017 #41
She'll viciously cut in front of him in the cookie line at his welcome reception hatrack Dec 2017 #45
Yeah that will show him! workinclasszero Dec 2017 #77
haha woolldog Dec 2017 #110
She sure found... Mike Nelson Dec 2017 #44
I cant wait to not vote for her in the primary. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #47
Politico - the same site that published the anonymous accusations dalton99a Dec 2017 #49
Yep, I noticed that as well. DC really is a sleazy town. BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #50
I am always suspicious of supposedly left leaning organizations with deep pockets nolabels Dec 2017 #60
I'd stand with Gillibrand any day of the week. Bleacher Creature Dec 2017 #54
She made no effort rainin Dec 2017 #57
I don't think there is such a thing as a "Clinton Democrat". LisaM Dec 2017 #59
Oh sure there is zipplewrath Dec 2017 #62
They've worked hard for a lot of candidates. LisaM Dec 2017 #64
Sorta zipplewrath Dec 2017 #65
If this is "her moment" Bettie Dec 2017 #61
Perhaps, but it will probably backfire on her. MineralMan Dec 2017 #63
+1, KGOP has a year to gen up hypocrisy for those who supported the outing of Franken based off of uponit7771 Dec 2017 #68
Same publication that broke the anonymous story that prompted her tweet. kcr Dec 2017 #70
Not a fan Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #72
+1 jalan48 Dec 2017 #74
One way of eliminating potential competitors delisen Dec 2017 #76
Yep...but she eliminated herself in my eyes. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #78
My opinion of her has plummeted. delisen Dec 2017 #82
I used to like her. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #84
I wonder how many people are upset with GaryCnf Dec 2017 #80
Nobody gives a crap about WJC resigning BootinUp Dec 2017 #81
Certainly is helpful GaryCnf Dec 2017 #85
Which version of history do u subscribe to BootinUp Dec 2017 #88
And gone😡 bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #83
I would not trust her to appoint Judges. Dawson Leery Dec 2017 #90
No. tenderfoot Dec 2017 #91
I laughed as I read this article w/ its imagery of Gillibrand being some kind of Trailblazer & Pachamama Dec 2017 #92
Arrived and departed. She failed the test. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #95
Things are not that good for Heilderbren (on purpose) JimBeard Dec 2017 #99
Never liked her Meowmee Dec 2017 #100
Shes an opportunist. onecaliberal Dec 2017 #101
So she has worked in the wilderness working to have Blue_true Dec 2017 #107
She defended a corporation who is responsible for killing millions and she took Clinton onecaliberal Dec 2017 #111
She was a young lawyer in a big firm. My guess is she had little choice Blue_true Dec 2017 #116
Poor thing working in a law firm, shes the one exercising moral superiority now that the folks onecaliberal Dec 2017 #117
She has a standard on sexual assault and she is sticking with it. Blue_true Dec 2017 #118
Opportunist, nothing less awesomerwb1 Dec 2017 #102
As Charles Pierce said: There's no moral high ground'. GoneOffShore Dec 2017 #109
Gillibrand is not the problem. Trump is. Do not be divided and conquered. McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #112
She led the calls to pressure Franken to resign and franken is one of the JI7 Dec 2017 #113
When we start playing "good Dem/bad Dem" we are not being productive. McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #114
Tell that to gillibrand. JI7 Dec 2017 #115

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
8. Totally agree with you. Did she pen this article?
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:27 AM
Dec 2017

Utter nonsense. One can quickly move from a crusader to a zealot.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
89. How about: moderate conservative, progressive-lite, opportunist?
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 02:19 PM
Dec 2017

First off, she really seems wired basically conservative, moderate, but definitely not wired liberal.

In a very flattering interview, she said she came to realize the need for government to address some problems AFTER she was appointed to Hillary's seat in her mid-40s and only after being personally faced with specific situations where constituents expected progressive solutions. A shallow awareness of utility only.

Not exactly Jefferson's rousing declaration of the rights of people to progressive government that serves them or Lincoln's when he spoke of government of, by and for the people.

And certainly not even my own orientation to the left when I was far too young to know what progressive government was because understanding and appreciation for its great virtues came with my genetic wiring.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
96. It seemed notable that it took into her 40s, when needing
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:22 PM
Dec 2017

to address problems of her constituents, for her to really appreciate the value of and need to use government for that.

Scientists say conservatives, generally speaking, are every bit as altruistic and caring as liberals, but they tend to feel a duty to fairly limited groups of those they see as their own people, such as can be helped at least somewhat by groups they personally belong to. They'll often give of themselves and their means very long and generously.

Liberal altruism typically embraces far larger and more diverse groups, whole cities, nations, continents, not just neighborhoods, which leads us naturally to ask how government can be used to create big solutions.

And signs of both patterns start manifesting when we're very small.

 

NYgal

(6 posts)
104. Gillibrand is an opportunist of the first degree!!
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 07:02 PM
Dec 2017

Hate Immigrants as a Congresswoman, was against sanctuary cities, opposed a path to legalization, opposed illegals getting licenses so they could work; loved guns, said she slept with 2 guns under her bed. Then, when Hillary's seat opened and Hillary and Schumer cleared everyone else out of the way for her, she changed every position she had taken. Immigrant groups were up in arms at the time.
And after Hillary did that for her, and also threw her first fundraiser for her first Congressional race, a $1000 per person fundraiser in NYC which basically knocked everyone else out of the race, she throws Bill C under the bus a few weeks ago.
I would NEVER vote for her. I write in Mickey Mouse or leave it blank.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
108. I can see having a huge problem with that, all right.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 08:41 PM
Dec 2017

Even if we don't understand the games being played and frown at not always admirable seeming feints and runs, we need to be able to trust underlying principles and goals to remain essentially the same.

I do for Obama and Hillary, but they're both well identified by their own records as solid liberals like me. Her long history in public service, especially, the policy wonk passions she's always worked toward, belie the constant lies about what those principles and goals are.

Gotta say I'd trade either of our betraying hard core, plutocracy serving Georgia senators gladly for the current version of Gillebrand, though, even if I had to hold my nose all the way to the polling place and out again to do it. A frequent experience for a liberal in Georgia.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
2. So... is there an acceptable number of sex offenders in the Senate?
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:22 AM
Dec 2017

I mean, if Franken is out and Moore is in, then the number of sex offenders in the Senate has remained static.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
31. Really? You equate Roy Moore with anonymous women who asked for pictures?
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:05 AM
Dec 2017

And then felt bad because they had recently gained weight?

How is that even close in your mind to a 30 year old trying to have sex with teenagers?

avebury

(10,952 posts)
3. There is no circumstance that would make me
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:23 AM
Dec 2017

ever vote for her. I would never trust her and would expect her to say whatever she thinks the people want to hear with no real conviction.

Response to avebury (Reply #3)

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
71. But..but..
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 01:37 PM
Dec 2017

We will all die pure as social security is killed next year and the nuclear winter from the NK war takes effect.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
79. I think that's going a little far... but, she does deserve closer scrutiny
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 01:59 PM
Dec 2017

in light of recent events. My first question: has she called for the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief to step down yet? If not, why not?!

avebury

(10,952 posts)
22. What have I learned about the Democratic Party?
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:54 AM
Dec 2017

That they are masterful at continually destroying themselves. They have a propensity for committing knee jerk reactions without bothering to stop and think about the consequences. They never learn.

Roger Stone is the 2017 version of Lee Atwater, king of the dirty political games. I think that there are more than enough reasons to question the allegations made against Al Franken. Did the Democratic Party allow Al Franken due process and a chance to clear his name? No. Like Brutus to Cesar, they hauled out their knives and committed political murder, thus finishing Roger Stone's work. He must be having a pretty good laugh at them about now.

Gillibrand and all the rest should have realized immediately that Roger Stone would go after Al Franken because Al was one of most effective Senators when it came to dealing with the Trump crime family.

Before they turned on Al Franken I had become quite impressed by a lot of the Dems in Congress, particularly after watching the hearings. There sure looked like a lot of young Dems with great potential. And then they act stupid. Gillibrand is coming across as opportunistic and only interested in her own political future. I don't trust her and I most certainly would not vote for her (or any of the other idiots) if the make it onto a Presidential ticket.

We can absolutely expect the Rethugs to turn on us but we have every right to expect the Dems won't. I won't waste my time, energy or money on an undeserving candidate.

sabbat hunter

(6,829 posts)
86. If we go by 'due process'
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 02:10 PM
Dec 2017

Did Moore get due process? Weinstein. Louie CK?

My default is to believe the woman in cases like this. It is a hard reality that almost every woman I know has been sexually harassed in one way or another.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
93. But Roger Stone is not playing the Lee Atwater dirty tricks
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 03:27 PM
Dec 2017

role in 99% of the claims of sexual harassment.

The first woman is a right wing birther known to be working with Roger Stone (as well as a friend of Trump Jr). She is also on video sexually harassing a musician who clearly did not like the attention. Her claim has no credibility.

Most of the other claims are from anonymous sources. Given Roger Stone's already involvement with the hit to take out Al Franken with the first claim, common sense should have dictated a thorough investigation of the allegations. The Democrats refused to give Franken his right to confront his accusers and clear his name.

I don't care who the allegation is against. If anybody is going to make public statements accusing another person of a crime, under our legal system the accused has the right to confront his/her accuser. Innocent until proven guilty. Failure to do that can result someone carrying out a vindictive action against an innocent person just because the accuser hates or is pissed off at the accused.

The problem with the Me Too movement is that everybody is jumping right to executing the accused. I am sure that there are a lot of valid claims out there but I don't for one minute believe that 100% of the allegations would be proven true if properly investigated. That is the same attitude that has put innocent people on death row. If you execute an innocent person sitting on death row that is an action that you can never take back.

I find it disturbing that there is so much rush to judgment without investigation and the fact that the Me Too movement can end up evolving into a boy who cried wolf too often scenario.

I can see a lot of law suits down the road with one side or the other suing the other side for defamation of character.

In the case of Al Franken I think that there is more than enough evidence of the very real possibility of political dirty tricks to assassinate him politically. On that basis, I am pissed off at the Dems for turning on him like Brutus turned on Cesar and finishing the job for Roger Stone. They had no right to deny him the ethics investigation he requested and everyone that turned on him have damaged his/her reputation. Rush to judgment over rode common sense.

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
14. If she all there is, I'd probably vote for her. But as my Senator,
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:31 AM
Dec 2017

I hope she gets primaried. I don't trust her nor do I like her.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
24. Well, in the primaries obviously there's no way I'm voting for her
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:02 AM
Dec 2017

If somehow she's the candidate...obviously we all are because no one here is allowing Trump a second term.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
32. Unfortunately, I think that if Trump decides he
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:06 AM
Dec 2017

wants a 2nd term I doubt we will be able to stop it. Our only hope rests with Mueller.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
55. He's not going to be exciting crowds for long
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:31 AM
Dec 2017

if he keeps slurring his words. I'm trying to imagine the looks on the MAGA crowd when he gets up there and says "United Stash". I believe he is going down. My only hope is he hangs on long enough to see his wealth disappear, his daughter, son, and son-in law go to jail, and move into his new 10X10 home with a toilet on the wall. Let him live that long. After that, I don't care.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
98. So if she were the nominee vs Trump in 20
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:35 PM
Dec 2017

you still wouldn't vote for her, in effect voting for Trump.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
4. The TLDR
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:25 AM
Dec 2017

Gillibrand was willing to use the Clinton's and take their help when it was useful to her. Now that it's not, out the door they go.

I'm not a fan of the Clinton's outsized role in our party and have many issue with them and in particular how they handled their own scandals. But Gillibrand comes off as an opportunist more than someone with deeply held principles. I had that suspicion when she first came to prominence (probably sooner than most because I'm in the NY news market) but recent events have solidified that impression for me.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
9. She stood up against harassment and assault before it was fashionable
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:28 AM
Dec 2017

And she still stands against it while the political opportunists are willing to dismiss indescretions by their own side

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
21. Except as the article points out...
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:54 AM
Dec 2017

..that was undercut by her accepting Bill Clinton's help when she needed it. It is a perfectly valid point and position to take umbrage at how Bill Clinton handled himself while in office and the degree to which his actions constituted and abuse of power and sexual harassment. I would wholeheartedly agree with that position. But then take that stand consistently and not just when it's convenient to your political career.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
29. But she failed to realize that not every complaint will be a valid complaint.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:05 AM
Dec 2017

She should have realized that Roger Stone, the heir to Lee Atwater's dirty tricks throne, would be totally capable of pulling a political hit on Al Franken. She, and the rest of the Dems, should have granted Al Franken due process, the ethics investigation and a chance to clear his name. They denied him that right and aided and abetted Roger Stone's political assassination. She was a total fool.

To automatically assume that every complaint of sexual misconduct is always valid is foolish. Just like not everyone that ends up on death row deserves to be there, you can expect that not all allegations will be truthful. There are times that is could be about vindictiveness and a desire to harm the person who you level the charges at.

Failure to conduct proper investigations of complaints results in the true victims not getting valid recognition nor victims of erroneous charges a chance to clear their names. As a result the Me To movement runs the risk of running themselves in the ground, particularly if it can be proven that not all claims are valid. The movement runs the risk of turning into a fake news endeavor.

Think about it, the most effective Senator is finished off by his own party without due process while a sexual predator sits in the WH and a serial child molester might get elected the next Senator from Alabama. I seriously doubt that Gillibrand's and the other Dems' tactics to clear out the sexual abusers will have any impact on their Republican colleagues. The Repubs just cry out that they are victims of fake news and Democratic dirty tricks (projection in psychology).

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
48. She still could stand against those things, without abandoning other principles like due process.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:21 AM
Dec 2017

But she felt it was an either/or choice. That says something to me, that she is more calculating than truly thoughtful & intelligent.

brush

(53,787 posts)
58. Ahhh...she was a blue dog congressperson before she opportunistically took Clinton...
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:37 AM
Dec 2017

aid and endorsements to run for Hillary's Senate seat and suddenly became a progressive.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
66. But she was our only choice to be able to win!!!
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 01:03 PM
Dec 2017

What other choice did we have in a red state?
We can't make perfect the enemy of the good and in such a conservative state she was the best we were going to do!


What's that? New York you say? Blue? Huh.

Well then, I....uh.....

JUST SHUT UP AND SUPPORT DEMOCRATS!!!!!! PUTIN LOVER!!!!!

brush

(53,787 posts)
67. I'm trying to get with your post. Sarcasm, yes? NY is not a red state, and Hillary already had...
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 01:10 PM
Dec 2017

that seat.

I think I'm detecting sarcasm.

Gillibrand went from blue dog to progressive and tossed out a rival for 2020. Boy, she's good.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
69. Sorry, I forgot to add the sarcasm...
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 01:22 PM
Dec 2017

...and yes I was being HIGHLY sarcastic.

Red state? We have no choice but to elect and support and thank Blue Dogs/Conservadems!!

Blue State? Well........what are you gonna do vote for the REPUBLICAN?!?!?!

Heads they win, tails we lose.

The best we can get in a red state is a conservative dem but yet in deep blue states like NY and NJ............conservative Dems!!!

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
6. She took the cash raised by the Party & Clintons & stabbed them both in the back.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:26 AM
Dec 2017

"Money & Media"
Gee, where have we seen this same b.s. before?

Birds of a feather run together.
Our Revolution loves her.

I'm sure she'll come up with a reason as to her support of corporate, wall street Big Tobacco.
And she'll quickly move off that subject.
Like the Magnitsky vote was dismissed.






LexVegas

(6,067 posts)
13. The comments...wow. An ugly underbelly has been exposed here over the past couple of days.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:30 AM
Dec 2017

I like and support Gillibrand.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
18. "Damned uppity wimmen-folk need to keep their traps shut!!"
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:45 AM
Dec 2017

"Ugly underbelly" for sure...not a good look at all for DU.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
53. It is what happened during the Viet Nam war protests.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:29 AM
Dec 2017

Women were treated badly and were told to shut up about it.
Other causes were more important.

And yes, not a good look for Dems at all the past couple of days.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
52. I agree. I have been shocked by so many not wanting to do the right thing.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:27 AM
Dec 2017

Doing the right thing is what separates us from the GOP crime syndicate.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
19. I was very impressed by her early on in her Senate career
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:45 AM
Dec 2017

She had a reputation as a centrist in the House, but ran as a progressive for the Senate and won. And, early on in her career, she was one of the small handful of Democrats that did not rush to condemn and defund ACORN and that had caught my eye. In the Senate, the vote was something like 89-6 to defund ACORN with a Democratic majority, and she was one of the six.

I think she also voted "no" on more Trump cabinet nominees than anybody else in the Senate - Franken, Sanders, Merkley, Brown, etc, included.

So, I'm surprised at her rush to judgment here with Franken, and also her condemning Bill Clinton. If she aspires to be president, turning off parts of the base where Franken and Clinton are popular is not a wise decision.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
23. She can always go back to working as a corporate attorney defending big tobacco.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:58 AM
Dec 2017

It pays well at least.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
35. Yep nothing says I'm a Democrat like supporting a union bashing company.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:08 AM
Dec 2017

And we wonder why we have lost power all over the country.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
43. Sorry. Not enough. Press conferences, multiple interviews, op eds, Twitter
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:14 AM
Dec 2017

Her "silence" is really notable

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
27. Let's see her go after Roy Moore and trump with even half the energy she applied.....
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:04 AM
Dec 2017

....against Al Franken. If she does that, I'll consider rejoining her fan club. Frankly, I don't think it will happen.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
44. She sure found...
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:16 AM
Dec 2017

...her issue. I reverse my thought about her bringing up Bill Clinton - now, I'm thinking maybe it was planned to get the attention it got... and, that was only the beginning...

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
47. I cant wait to not vote for her in the primary.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:20 AM
Dec 2017


And this puff piece is barf inducing. She should probably enjoy that kind of coverage...while she can.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
60. I am always suspicious of supposedly left leaning organizations with deep pockets
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:48 AM
Dec 2017

How many recent startups can you find with their own Journalism Institute?

POLITICO Announces the Fourth Class of its Annual Journalism Institute
BY KATIE PUDWILL | APRIL 28, 2017

Arlington, VA – POLITICO today announced the 2017 class of the POLITICO Journalism Institute (PJI), an educational initiative focused on supporting diversity in Washington newsrooms.

PJI, now in its fourth year, will be held May 30 to June 9 and will offer 12 university students intensive, hands-on training in government and political reporting and reflects POLITICO's ongoing support of journalism education and recruitment of up-and-coming top-notch talent. Two students will be selected at the end of the program for a three-month residency in the POLITICO newsroom where they will write, edit and produce content


From the POLITICO blog, back in 'about us'

rainin

(3,011 posts)
57. She made no effort
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:35 AM
Dec 2017

to discern the content of the allegations. She fell for the trap of the number of allegations. That's lazy thinking. And it worked. I saw senator after senator repeating the same arguement...that there were many women. It didn't matter if any one of them was credible. It was a witch hunt all right -- on one of our own.

I don't want her there. What is she after? Power at any cost? Is that a virtue in the Democratic party now?

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
59. I don't think there is such a thing as a "Clinton Democrat".
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:38 AM
Dec 2017

It's nonsense. They have both given their whole working lives to the Democratic party and that seems to send some people around the bend. They have certainly not shaped the party in their mold. The fact that they are, ultimately, pragmatists, is apparently upsetting to some.

Vogue Magazine profiled Gillibrand last month and she came off as kind of unlikeable.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
62. Oh sure there is
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:50 AM
Dec 2017

I mean, not as voters, but as political operatives. Many, MANY people saw the Clinton administrations as their "ticket" to higher offices and appointments. Someone commented last summer that there were more people who THOUGHT they were "Clinton insiders" than there were positions within the White House. I suspect those days are over however and not only are they "moving on" but probably the future of the party will come from new sources.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
64. They've worked hard for a lot of candidates.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:18 PM
Dec 2017

But one needs only to look at 2008 to see how quick the Dems were to toss the Clintons to the curb for a relative newcomer. The Dems have been bleeding seats ever since then.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
65. Sorta
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:25 PM
Dec 2017

There were a fair number of Clinton era people that ended up in the Obama administration. And of course her work as SoS allowed her to continue to support various people. Bernie tapped into some of the same people she faced in the 2008 cycle, but he couldn't leverage the one serious constituency that she ultimately had all locked up.

There are democrats that were in the "Clinton Camp". It wasn't a majority of democrats for sure, except maybe at the DNC.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
61. If this is "her moment"
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:50 AM
Dec 2017

it is going to fizzle out pretty darned quickly.

She's shown herself to be an opportunist at best.

I will not be voting for her in any primary. Never.

If she becomes a nominee, I will hold my nose and vote for her, with little hope that she'll fight for anything.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
63. Perhaps, but it will probably backfire on her.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:52 AM
Dec 2017

She'll gain some support from some people, but will lose support of others. I think it will end up being a wash, but I don't believe it will catapult her into the presidential race in 2020, if that's what she's thinking.

In fact, being divisive at this time is probably not a good idea for anyone thinking of tossing a hat into that cockfighting ring. That's just my opinion, of course.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
68. +1, KGOP has a year to gen up hypocrisy for those who supported the outing of Franken based off of
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 01:17 PM
Dec 2017

... someones waste getting squeezed too hard, 4 anonymous accusers, a claim he denies outright and a birther.

They'll be more than one or two oppurtunities for trolls to come dem politico base and say "what about these guys"

I can see Mueller's accusers O'Keefe et al has paid getting the side eye from the Franken get out crew already.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
72. Not a fan
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 01:38 PM
Dec 2017

I will never vote for her ever. I think she jumped on Franken to end his chances to run as president.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
80. I wonder how many people are upset with
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 01:59 PM
Dec 2017

Senator Gillibrand for supporting the national party's agenda, just like every other high-profile Democrat right up to Tom Perez, and calling for Franken to resign

and

how many people are upset with her for departing from the national party's agenda, unlike all but a handful of Democrats, and saying that Bill Clinton should have resigned?

Just curious.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
81. Nobody gives a crap about WJC resigning
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

in 2017. Some probably wonder why she brought it up. Hope that’s helpful.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
85. Certainly is helpful
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 02:09 PM
Dec 2017

to see the level of defensiveness.

Makes one wonder how badly the values-centered campaign we tried to run was undercut by our continuing unwillingness to confront the 500 pound gorilla in the room.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
88. Which version of history do u subscribe to
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 02:12 PM
Dec 2017

Anyway? Never mind I figured it out. When does she call for more Clinton investigation s?

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
90. I would not trust her to appoint Judges.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 02:45 PM
Dec 2017

In Gillibrand World, the tobacco industry gets due process, but Al Franken (who has done F--A--R less damage than Phillip Morris)
gets railroaded.

Disgusting that she dragged the party along with her.

She needs to face a primary.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
92. I laughed as I read this article w/ its imagery of Gillibrand being some kind of Trailblazer &
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 03:06 PM
Dec 2017

....Visionary and fighter of women’s rights.

I don’t want to hear shit about this opportunist phony. I will happily watch her demise and contribute gleefully to her opponent that will go against her in the primaries.

Would especially enjoy it if her opponents initials are HRC.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
95. Arrived and departed. She failed the test.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 03:38 PM
Dec 2017

If she runs for higher office, she does not have my support.

 

JimBeard

(293 posts)
99. Things are not that good for Heilderbren (on purpose)
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:50 PM
Dec 2017
http://www.newser.com/story/252623/2/dems-kirsten-gillibrand-hero-for-women-or-hypocrite.html

With Friends like these...

The demise of Al Franken's career in the US Senate was hastened along by members of his own party who called for him to step down amid sexual misconduct allegations. Chief among them: New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, who helped turn up the heat on Franken this week by saying he should resign. Politico notes her sudden moment in the spotlight and accompanying media coverage, especially relevant considering her past advocacy for sexual assault victims. But it's proving to be a delicate balancing act, as to stay true to her stance on the matter she's had to ditch fellow Democrats Franken and Bill Clinton, who she recently said should have resigned after his affair with Monica Lewinsky was revealed. More on Gillibrand from around the internet:


http://www.newser.com/story/252623/2/dems-kirsten-gillibrand-hero-for-women-or-hypocrite.html

Amy Wolfcale takes Gillibrand to task for promoting a "false equivalency" between what Franken allegedly did and some of the more serious accusations out there. "To be sure I don't want my daughter to have to dodge unwanted kisses," she writes at HuffPost. "But the idea that someone might abduct her, drive her to a deserted spot in the country, and assault her is the stuff of horror movies. There is no equivalency."

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
100. Never liked her
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 04:58 PM
Dec 2017

And I had serious reservations about voting for her due to her being a lawyer for tobacco. I did because she was the dem. I won’t vote for her for anything now. She has done serious damage she should resign and appoint a dem who is fit for office.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
107. So she has worked in the wilderness working to have
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 08:12 PM
Dec 2017

power centers take sexual assault seriously. She has fought for years for LGBTQ rights when doing so was not popular. Yet by your standards, she is a opportunist. Let fill you in, opportunists don't fucking work for years on issues that the public at large are either ignoring or are mostly hostile toward.

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
111. She defended a corporation who is responsible for killing millions and she took Clinton
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 09:32 PM
Dec 2017

Money influence and contacts until it was no longer comvenient. She’s an opportunist,
Period.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
116. She was a young lawyer in a big firm. My guess is she had little choice
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:37 PM
Dec 2017

in the cases that she worked on. As a young engineer, I worked for a company that made stuff that was useful in medicine, communications, entertainment, but also pioneered the first guidance system for guided munitions that have killed lots of people. Some of my early work as a young engineer from a poor family helped make those guidance systems reliable. According to your logic, I am a soulless murderer. Sorry, real life does not work to your fantasy world of absolute moral supremacy.

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
117. Poor thing working in a law firm, shes the one exercising moral superiority now that the folks
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:40 PM
Dec 2017

Who helped her get where she is are no longer necessary. Your points are pathetic excuses for someone who will make it much more difficult to win back the senate. I’m done replying .

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
118. She has a standard on sexual assault and she is sticking with it.
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:44 PM
Dec 2017

Sorry that has your undies all bunched, but I guess that is how real life often works.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
113. She led the calls to pressure Franken to resign and franken is one of the
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 10:36 PM
Dec 2017

Most effective senators to expose trump admin.

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