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Donald Trump suggested Roy Moore is innocent * of all charges of predatory behavior including statutory rape and attempted rape of minors because he denied the allegations as if a denial renders all allegations without merit.
And O.J. is still looking for the real killers
And John Gotti was a plumbing supply salesperson
And Tony Soprano derived his income from the waste management industry.
I believe there are still people left who don't belong to either political tribe who find this behavior deplorable and will register their contempt for political hacks who countenance it at the polls.
*-in the court of public opinion
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Moore has not been proven guilty, but that is a far thing from being innocent of the various credible allegations.
What I find most bizarre is that some of the women who were abused actually voted for another abuser, Donald Trump.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Deplorables are not a majority. They are a minority, albeit a loud one who has temporarily grasped some of the reigns of power.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)they WILL vote this pedophile into the Senate.
I will fight it to the bitter end, but I have no trust in my neighbors. It makes me very sad.
Nay
(12,051 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)of Alabama to decide your fate on ANY issue. The Bastard is most likely going to win, but that's not a reason to sit down and shut up. Don't hand them a double victory.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts).
Remember, we're dealing with the mentality of biblical fuckwads, who justify Mary's teen rape.
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Joseph was supposely 90-year-old widower, with six children, when given control of Mary, who was just 12!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph
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Skid Rogue
(711 posts)you're talking about my sweet Mother and Daddy, there. Honestly. I grew up in the most conservative county in Alabama -- Cullman. My ancient parents still send me money when I'm broke and Mother makes amazing chicken and dumplings.
Remember, rednecks don't drive pickup trucks anymore, they drive Toyota Camrys.
Anyway, it's an impossible situation. The conservative voters in Alabama, even in the year 2017, won't admit that their entire political perspective is based on race. They cloak their hate in religion. That's why there's such a huge disconnect between their religion and their politics. It's a huge psychological flimflam and it's crazy hard to fight.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts).
This will describe how a lot of those religious and societal beliefs originated.
I'll try and give a quick memory summation, without writing it in a too revealing manner:
1) 1800s-10s: Christian Revivalist tour pastors shook down Southern Slaveholders for thousands to get their blessings, since they were paraihs to the church. The majority of Southerns despised the slaveholders. Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians are the ones who mainly will end up promoting slavery in the coming decades and onward.
2) 1820s-30s: Northern abolitionists tried to use the Bible as justification that slavery was immoral. This backfired, as the Bible is rife with verses that Southern clergy perverted to their own gain. Northern clergy were invited to tour southern plantations and were either offered property or marriage to daughters and part of estates if they relocated and formed churches. They were showcased plantation areas that portrayed the slaveholder in a good light. Many of these church pastors had slaves of their own. Slave riots occurred, which panicked the whole community. The idea of Southern Paternalism is hatched, saying that slaveholders are rescuing those held by slave merchants and offer the slaves an opportunity to be exposed to Christianity, and eternal salvation.
A partnership between slaveholders and clergy forms. Slaveholders want to control the slaves, the clergy wants to expand their church, their tithings, and spread the gospel. The clergy become wealthy members of the community. However, there are two variations of this:
White church services: Promote the Christian tenets of slavery, how the slaveholders are effectively doing God's work by saving the captives of the slave traders. The slaveholders gain legitimacy.
Slave church services: They are told to be good Christians, they must be good servants to their masters. That, no matter what happens to them in life, they will reap rewards in the afterlife.
3) 1840s-50s: Southern Paternalism, with the help of the churches expands rank of congregants, this generation is the one who now embraces slavery as an institutional norm, feeding into the Civil War.
It only took one generation to convert the Southerners over to accepting slavery. While the elders had to be swayed or convinced, the young adults just sold on the idea, the youngsters would grow up in this new institution and view it as a societal normalcy.
I'm a bit older, and I witnessed the conversion of many Reagan Republicans and even the Sarah Palin types of just a couple of years ago. They were against Putin, they were against Russia and any foreign interference of our government. They were saying how Putin would make Obama his bitch. Now, in less than a decade, we are seeing the complete reversal of those positions and acceptance of them, just to get some political and short-term hopes of financial gains. The protection of country is no longer paramount--it is just a talking point to them. I worry, that if this is not addressed quick, fast, and in a hurry--this might become an institutional norm and it will be difficult to ensure national security, on a wide range of topics, in the future.
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ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)It's the merest pretense of concern. These assholes would vote him in if he were found guilty in a court.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The Deplorables would vote for Charlie Manson's rotting corpse if it had an R after his name therefore I expect him to win in Alabama. After that he becomes our piñata for the mid terms.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Very afraid of what would come out!
Whataboutism, racism, misogyny, xtian fundamentalism blotting out the sun.
It'd be like opening Pandora's box. I don't want to lose hope, so I really want Jones to win in a landslide.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It won't be easy wresting our nation back from the Deplorables but we will do it.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts).
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And , yes, I spent most of my life in exurban Florida.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)going past schools and playgrounds!"
*I actually stole that joke from Garrison Keillor in an episode of "Prairie Home Companion"!
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Hade they had their way the following would have not happened:
13th and 14th amendment
End of slavery
Union winning the Civil War
Education of blacks
Female suffrage
Income tax
Repeal of prohibition
Integration of the military
Removal of prayer in School
Integration of schools
Integration of everything
Blacks and whites allowed to marry
Medicare and Medicaid
Civil Rights act
The Pill
Affirmative Action
Roe vs wade.
Anti harassment laws
Marriage freedom
I am missing a shit load of things.
The takeaway: if the whites of Alabama agree with you, you might be a piece of shit.
If you let the whites of Alabama dictate your actions you will do nothing.
oasis
(49,389 posts)the hell does that say about the man?". stupid bunch of clucks.