Last night's campaign rally convinces me this is how it will end...

[mreilly]

Trump knows the end is near and Mueller is coming. It only gets worse for him from here on out. It goes beyond collusion with Russia and obstruction of justice. Mueller has Trump's tax returns - the returns he lied repeatedly he would release then refused to do so - and the clock is ticking.

Approval ratings for Trump never rise above 32-33% which is his base. He has shown he doesn't give shit one about anyone outside his base (and even those suckers are merely being used to appeal to his ego like the emotional vampire he is), and those are the people he will continually cater to and seek adoration from. Hence yet another absurd rally.

It's not about getting re-elected at this point; no, things are much darker than that. Trump's not going to make it to 2020 to run for re-election. He'll be finished before that. When the indictments start pouring in - Kushner is next - he'll be given the choice of resigning or going to jail (and even if he resigns NY State is after his orange ass next; it won't be over by a long shot). Mueller has played things out so carefully that Trump can't win by firing him or just pardoning everyone while braying about witch hunts.

Trump is a rotten spoiled brat who has never taken responsibility for anything he's done wrong, and he's an utterly corrupt criminal who screwed contractors, stiffed Trump University suckers, and drove businesses into the ground then walked away. He is so immature and emotionally insecure that he needs to hold rallies to reassure himself nobody suspects the truth about his teeny tiny one-inch wee-wee... and to shore up his base to reinforce their loyalty.

Because when his Presidency ends in disgrace and he is dragged kicking and screaming from the White House - there is a 0% chance he will leave with dignity since he doesn't DO dignity - he and his handlers will be shrieking that this is treason, fake news, democracy is in peril, the duly elected leader of this country is being overthrown; it's a coup and someone DO SOMETHING.

The objective then is for his base to rush to the streets to commit violence to "save" Trump from those awful anti-American conspirators. Then the National Guard or Army steps in and hell breaks loose; America as we know it ends forever. Make no mistake, the Republicans will be screaming the military has been taken over by traitors part of the coup, and those oh-so-patriotic assholes who blindly worship Trump will be told to engage our soldiers and fight in the streets.

Think it won't happen? Do the math. 62 million idiots voted for the Orange Turd. If even 1% of them actually have the balls to hit the streets that is more than 620,000 people directly and deliberately commiting violence. After all, these are fuckers who are convinced they need guns to "take back our country" and "resist tyranny." That moment will be the very same one they've been waiting - maybe even praying for.

I don't for a moment think Trump would take any other course of action. He only gives a shit about himself. If people have to be hurt or killed for him to present the illusion of being a virtuous leader "under attack" - even his own supporters - so be it. Everyone else is expendable.

It's not a question of if this happens. It's when it happens. And we need to figure out how we're going to handle it.

[Baitball Blogger]

1. I do believe that he would rather see Civil War, than face the music.

[dalton99a]

3. Yep. He'll try to burn everything down

[Kirk Lover]

5. This is true...if he's going down he's going to take anybody and everything he can with him.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. ...

THIS

[Cyrano]

4. Civil war will be difficult. No geographic boundaries.

I agree that violence will break out if/when he is removed from office. But it will probably be more like ongoing homegrown terrorism rather than civil war.

[left-of-center2012]

33. "No geographic boundaries"

Agreed.

Neighbor against neighbor. Brother against brother.
But no North-South, East-West.

[tavalon]

69. I'm guessing you haven't heard of Cascadia

California, Oregon and Washington want to secede. I want to see us merge with Canada. It won't happen but there's your boundary.

[Farmer-Rick]

74. The secession movement of California was a Russian Troll

Putin funded it and some Russian troll set it up. Yeah, real US citizens signed up for it. But it was promoted by Putin to get Americans fighting with other Americans.

[left-of-center2012]

78. I'm not talking about secession

I'm saying there will be no repeat of a civil war like the 1860's North-South war.

[tavalon]

87. You are right, because this predominantly Democratic area won't secede

Even though many of its citizens long to be done being United with these stupid States.

[localroger]

80. Or like Saint Bartholemew's Day

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_massacre

[Kirk Lover]

6. This civil war will exist only online....it's already going on I daresay.

[flamingdem]

2. I think they're capable of violence, but not on a large scale

Too many dem governors will hogtie them.

I hope!

[csziggy]

19. Two thirds of the states have Republican governors so we can't count on that

Party

There are currently 34 Republicans, 15 Democrats, and one independent serving as state governors. Two Democrats (including the mayor of DC), two Republicans, one New Progressive and one independent also occupy territorial governorships. No other third parties hold a Governorship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_(United_States)#Party

[LoveMyCali]

84. I think they are capable of violence

but most of them are too stupid and lazy to do anything about it. Organization doesn't seem to be a strong suit of these people.

[ProudLib72]

7. Or it could be like the white nationalists holding their rallies

They make a lot of threats, but when it comes time to take to the streets, they get scared away by tubas. I think that is who makes up Donnie Denture's base, a bunch of cowards who like to act tough but have no commitment to back it up.

[mreilly]

8. That's what I'm hoping...

... and that not even 1% of the Orange Shitgibbons fans are willing to risk their own asses for his sake.

Me, the only way I would ever commit violence is in self-defense or the defense of the lives of others. There's not politician out there I'd put my life on the line for; that's the job of the police and military.

[Girard442]

9. The question is, what does Putin do?

He has a whole helluva lot of cards he can play to gravely injure America while fattening his bank accounts.

[Salviati]

32. Anything he can to maximize chaos

He doesn't care if trump wins, he only cares that America loses.

[old guy]

49. Very profound statement.

This is what tRump cannot understand and is the very reason Putin played him in the first place.

[cilla4progress]

10. I get what you are saying...

I have also been thinking armed civil insurrection on some level is not out of the realm of possibiblity.

Along with Mueller's other incredible strategizing, I am confident he keeps this in mind: what the blowback and risk in taking down trump and his minions could look like. Thus, I believe that Mueller is preparing an airtight case in terms of hard evidence. We have heard from many* that the circumstantial evidence is there. I'm sure we here all see it and it can be downright frustrating that, with all of it, trump remains. But this is why, I believe; Mueller knows he has to have irrefutable, i.e., RECORDED evidence, to make this stick. And even with that, the deplorables will say "it's not trump's voice on the Access Hollywood tape," right?

Though no one wants armed insurrection, if that's what it takes to out the truth, then so be it. I just hope it is quickly quelled because it seems like civil wars are always the most bloody. Brother v. brother, as it were. I hope that the military and civilian patrols are sufficiently insulted by trump's verbal attacks that they remain on the side of the 68% who want trump out.

Definite moment of truth for this country, and for the experiment of democracy, itself.

*If you haven't yet listened to Terri Gross's Fresh Air interview of Luke Harding on NPR, author of the new book Collusion (or read the book itself), you are denying yourself of a helluva good listen.

[meadowlander]

13. I wonder if that was the point of denying the Access Hollywood tape.

Trump must be bricking it that someone has a tape on him and is trying to sow confusion ahead of time by making his followers think someone is doctoring tapes with his voice.

[Achilleaze]

15. Link to Luke Harding interview on Fresh Air

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/21/565654507/journalist-investigating-trump-and-russia-says-full-picture-is-one-of-collusion

[cilla4progress]

18. Thank you!

He is highly regarded, credible and experienced, and a great "explainer."

I thought Rachel's Dossier special last night was also a nail in the coffin. Clearly, all of it is true. And Putin has the pee tape. What do you suppose his (Putin's) thinking is, in terms of disclosing it? Timing? Leverage?

[SonofDonald]

50. That's what I think will happen

Mueller knows what can happen, I think when it's time to take dumpf down a lot of other people are going to get a visit from mueller or his helpers, they will be told that evidence against them also exists and if they go along with the "coup" BS that they too will be taken down with dumpf.

Either that or that their role in taking money from the Russians will brought to light immediately tying them directly to a conspiracy or money laundering.

Remember that Muellers team is made up of the best there is available to prosecute any connection to what happened during this nightmare and they have thought this out well in advance.

Boy I sure hope that's the case.

[MaryMagdaline]

11. I don't believe we will get Trump but if he goes

His wimpy deplorables will not gather in groups to start a civil war. They will no longer be emboldened. It will be like Nixon and even Bush. No one will own up to voting for him.

I do think we will see mass killings by deranged men but may not notice anything different.

[maryellen99]

12. I think he is going to take the easy way out and resign due to medical issues

He is probably stupid enough to think people will give him a free pass because he’s “ill”.

[Wellstone ruled]

14. Only had to tolerate about a minute of his

verbal manure outburst to tell me this. Two points. One being he was blaming Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party for failing to win the past Election that gave him a Job he had was incapable of handling or qualified to handle. Secondly has to do with Polling Data. Having done some Polling years back as a favor to a Business Customer,spent several evenings working the Phones in a Boiler Room Atmosphere. It is all about the methods used such as,the sentence Structure,multiple choice choice answers and the Structure of those answers. Another key is your tone of voice. Depending on the results expected by the Poll Client,your type of voice inflections and cadence will make a distinct difference in Responses. Bottom Line,Trumps Favorable's are most likely in the Mid Twenties.

[smirkymonkey]

17. I am kind of seeing this as well. There is also the issue of the "rapture ready" evangelicals

who will explode if they think that their chance at Armageddon has been thwarted if Trump goes away. They truly believe he is their savior and there is no telling what they will do if the plan is aborted.

[L. Coyote]

20. It isn't an easy job to usher in Armageddon. But you get to sit next to God if you do.

Link to tweet

[dchill]

51. Oh, boy.

[dem4decades]

21. Just who will try to evict him?

It has to be Congress and I don't see that happening unless the Democrats take both chambers.

[EL34x4]

22. You said, "he'll be given the choice of resigning or going to jail"

Who is authorized to make that deal?

[peggysue2]

23. When the conversation and rallies turn to the End Times . . .

you know there's a Bad Wind blowing, a gale force coming directly from the Special Prosecutor's office. I fully expect the Trumpster will try firing Mueller first. Frankly, I have no confidence that our Republican-led Congress will do anything to counter this move, and I do think Trump is sufficiently stupid and arrogant enough to carry this out.

Why?

Because he doesn't give a shit about the country, only his ego. He will not go quietly into that Good Night. Rather, he will attempt to take down as many people and institutions as possible. When pundits warn of a Constitutional crisis, Trump and his supporters--think the odious Bannon--see an opportunity to bring about The Change they've dreamed about, suckered so many down and outers to buy into.

We're on the cusp of a something truly ugly.

How do we handle this? We fully support the team of prosecutors, the men and women of the FBI and those in the Intelligence Community that have been putting together the legal means of bringing these people down. We stand with the law. We exercise our legal means of protest, taking to the streets and calling for a National Strike if need be (this is something Painter suggested last week). We link arms with like-minded Republicans (Never Trumpers) and Independents, putting the partisan BS aside for another day. We support like-minded politicians in every campaign because the individual issues on which we may disagree are not as important as saving the country from a bunch of corrupt, fascist thugs.

We remember who we are, where we came from and on whose broad shoulders we stand. We stand, we fight, we win. Then we pick up the pieces and go on.

[mreilly]

34. Excellent response and very encouraging!

... we will all stick together and move on as you said. Trump will merely become a negative footnote in this country's history.

[INdemo]

40. and it could be bad enough that no matter where you live if you are a liberal

(a registered Democrat) you may not be safe in your home.
..If Local Law enforements are Right Wing Repuke/Fascists you may not be protected.

[peggysue2]

52. I'm not going to worry about that particular scenario . . .

until or unless it happens. The most important thing right now is working to win back seats in the House and Senate and supporting strong Dem candidates--of any and all stripes--at our local and state levels. 2018 is enormously important.

But if we hit a catastrophe in the near future--nearer than November 2018, let's say--then we should be prepared to join forces with unlikely bedfellows, the Never Trumpers, right-leaning Independents and all like-minded citizens at large; the country's future & welfare will depend on it.

But yes, in that darkest of scenarios things could get very dicey. Then it's Keep the Faith time.

[tomp]

56. right, the FBI, that stalwart, historical friend of the people...

...whose foundation was built on right wing and puritanical political manipulation, who helped trump into the white house...that FBI. ok, we should be fine.

[peggysue2]

63. My understanding is that . . .

it was a rogue group of FBI agents, active and retired, from the NY office that helped the Trump campaign with an eager wink and nod from Guiliani. The vote on Comey is still out though there's no doubt his last minute Clinton report was far from helpful.

Skepticism is a good thing but not when we cut off our noses to spite our faces.

Comey and the FBI did a lot of the legwork on the Trump/Russia investigation. Comey's refusal to pledge fidelity to the Trumpster led to Mueller's appointment. Yes, the FBI is by in large conservative and has demonstrated puritanical tendencies in the past. But the organization is dedicated to the Rule of Law, as opposed to the Rule of Men, as in crazy men. I choose the former, thank you very much.

These institutions/organizations have never been perfect. Anymore than any of us are perfect. But at the moment, they stand between us and utter chaos, giving us time to work our hearts out to shift this mess in next year's elections.

And then, it's all on us: to stand, to fight, to win. Because there's really no other acceptable alternative.

[tomp]

65. nothing about what I said precludes standing and fighting.

I'm just extremely careful about who I unite with. You...apparently, not so much.

[peggysue2]

67. Actually, I am careful

For instance, I do not make alliances with those who make wild assumptions about people they do not know.

You want to hate on the FBI that's your privilege, one that's been granted by a lot of work and sweat and history. Not all of it bad, I might add.

[tomp]

72. there you go putting words in my mouth again.

hate is a strong word and i never used it.

I am extremely skeptical and distrustful of the u.s. government and politicians of both major parties. This is based on my understanding of history and my own personal experience over my long life thus far.

I don't mean to get too philosophical but although we are freer than many people on the planet we are not really free, and we are getting less free. And there are people in this country who are less free than me, and for them "privileges" are limited.

I firmly believe no progress is possible with radical action. I believe this can take place an local, even 1:1 relationships, as well as among masses of like thinking individuals acting in concert against corporatism. What is key to progress is that like mindedness, an openness to the full expanse of the problem, and undergo paradigmatic change in thinking/action based on clear understanding of current political reality.

Maybe you are careful, but I'm not convinced. I only know you from what you write here. And I did use the word "apparently" for good reason.

[peggysue2]

85. True

You used snarky snark to express the same thing. A small distinction.

You say you want radical change. So do I. My argument would be that if the country collapses, the change we'll get is not what anyone wants. The sort of change the Trumpsters, the Bannonites and their foreign cohorts have in mind is more aligned to a Mafia State.

We once had the luxury of being super-critical and hyper-skeptical of the FBI and Intelligence Communities. That's fine; it's the beauty of a free society. But that was then, this is now and in the now the country, our Democratic Republic is at risk, under attack, fighting for survival.

Ironically, the very institutions we (those of us left of center) were so critical of in the past are now standing between us and political/societal destruction. No one wins if the Trumpsters are successful. In this new scenario you're either a firefighter or an arsonist. There's no in-between. It's no secret why Fox News and Trump supporters are kicking and maligning the investigative agencies. They're feeling the heat and know what's coming.

I look forward to the day when we can turn our full attention to making the country better, more open, more equal, etc. But first we have to preserve the Nation and its framework. If that means aligning ourselves with strange bedfellows, then so be it. Because we'll survive to fight another day.

Our discussion is done here.

[Flo Mingo]

24. It's not the 30% that worry me

I agree that most of the 30% are not going to take to the street for armed insurrection.

What worries me is the belief that DJT and his cabal of international crooks and extremists are capable of anything. And with Eric Prince, he has an armed militia in his camp. If they're capable of anything, they're capable of sending a militia into the streets of America to create the chaos they need to complete the coup.

That's when we'll understand what it's been like in Africa and the Middle East living with violent extremists claiming allegiance to one cause or another but kept well funded by those who benefit from chaos.

We surely do live in interesting times.

[Irish_Dem]

25. This is exactly what Trump is hoping for. He doesn't care who he hurts in the process. nt

[hibbing]

26. I think he'll serve 4 years n/t

[True Dough]

29. In prison?

He deserves a longer stretch in the pen than that!

[hibbing]

31. Iran Contra

A few sentences, Ollie North got a tv show, Reagan revered, Bush the next president, many others involved got jobs with right ring think tanks, so no real consequences from the real powers, I see the same thing happening here unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong.

Peace

[magicarpet]

44. This is the problem... the treasonous bastards are....

.... allowed to sneak out the back door. Then down the road meddle in the political arenas and gum up the works to help Fascists rise to the top of the political heap once again.

Wash... Rinse.... Wash.... Repeat ad infinitum. Lipstick on the same effing pig again and again.

[NotASurfer]

27. He has another option

Well, several probably...but other Presidents have used the 25th to designate the VP to be the acting President for periods of time they would be unable to fulfill their duties (ie incapacitated due to colonoscopies), so there's precedent and the process works

I can imagine this one ginning something up like "fighting the witch hunt unfairly about to file totally fake charges in totally illegal rigged courts is going to take all my time" and telling Pence to handle things.

Then he instructs his lawyers that a non-sitting President can't be impeached

And he reserves the right to come back when he decides it's advantageous, for example if he needs to be able to respond to those court proceedings by saying a sitting President can't be sued

At which point he can focus on the important business of golfing and binge-eating buckets of Original Recipe

[Buns_of_Fire]

28. ...from your keyboard to God's e-mail account.

I hope He checks it more often than I do.

[ecstatic]

30. As soon as Jr or anyone related to trump is arrested, I'm going to stock up on

supplies and "hunker down" at home until the violent nationalists are all arrested or killed. I can work from home. I have no doubt that my city would be targeted, so I'm glad you brought this up for me to consider ahead of time.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

35. Trump cedes power, he'll be replaced by another repub. Insurrection won't be in that guy's interest.

In addition to removing Trump, his replacement would also have to be unpalatable to Trump's followers for any massive street action to occur. I think Pence or some modern day Freedom Caucus version of Jerry Ford would probably tamp things down.

[mainstreetonce]

36. I have been worried about violence.

Even if it ends with him being defeated in 2020.

There is going to be huge crowds of angry Deplorables to deal with and he will stoke them up for all it's worth.

[TryLogic]

37. I wish I could believe, or even imagine, otherwise.

[INdemo]

38. There will be those in the military that will not trun against Trump

if the impression I got from service members.Some would be willing to give their lives for him.
If Korea breaks into war there are those that told me they would gladly fight on the front line,an automatic death warrant.

The same with the National guard..some may stand to protect Trump in the White House..this could be what Democrats in Congress fear.

[truestwords]

57. Woudn't it be the duty of the other service personell to fight against them if they tried to protect

Trump against legal consequences?

I'm afraid this is going to be ugly.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

61. Under any civil war scenario

The military will split as well. That being said, I dont see anything remotely close to that happening.

[truestwords]

64. The US military, such as it was, didn't as a whole do that at the outbreak of the US Civil War.

So what makes you say that?

[truestwords]

86. I really have no idea. That's why I was asking the question.

[vlyons]

39. there are a lot of republicans waiting in the wings

Weren't there 17 republicans who started out running for the presidency in 2016? More than a few must be rubbing their palms together just waiting to primary Trump. We don't know how Trump's demise will play out.

[AllaN01Bear]

41. a late friend whom i viewed as a mentor said to me , allan01bear there wiill be fighting in the str

reets in your lifetime and one president will be the most uneffectual president and he may be the last one . right now my internal alarms are going like gangbusters.

[Va Lefty]

53. I think he will be the last President of The United States

Several scenarios could happen:

Nuclear Holocaust

A coup of some kind, other than what we are experiencing now

The Union breaks apart

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. It won't be 3% or 1%. Many fewer. Will be some violent Trumpanzees, but America does NOT END

All the same, it is good to heed the warning implicit in your post and be careful.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

43. I will politely disagree.

Trump is delusional and believes everything he says, every lie he tells. He does not think the end is near. He will not resign, least of all with a face-saving cover story.

As for armed insurrection, people have been predicting that since at least the 1960's. Remember that Manson sent his minions out to murder people because he was delusional enough to think that a couple of murders would somehow ignite a race war.

And for decades people have been convinced that the big bad government is going to take all their guns away. Personally, I wish that would happen, but it hasn't. And it won't.

Back to Trump. If Mueller actually gets at all close to indicting him, he'll simply dig in, state over and over again that Mueller is incompetent and that the FBI is totally demoralized, etc etc etc. There's a distant possibility that responsible Republican leadership (now there's an oxymoron if ever there was one) might persuade him to resign ahead of actual impeachment, and will cut some kind of a deal so that he doesn't go to prison, which would be too bad.

But more likely will be that Mueller will simply turn over his findings to Congress in the hope that they will do something constructive, but they won't. At least not so long as the Republicans run things. It will be Fitzmas all over again. Only worse, because every single Republican and every single Trump supporter will be energized because as far as they'll be concerned, Trump will have been totally exonerated.

Meanwhile our environment is degrading, inequality is sky-rocketing, young people have little hope for the future. Welcome to America the Third World country.

[Pepsidog]

54. Sadly, I agree with you. Our country is deeply flawed. Obama was right, people clinging to their

religion, guns and I forget the 3rd item. But who cares? What was once unthinkable is now common. Liars, molesters, rapists they are all welcome in today’s Republican Party and embraced by the evangelicals who have accepted them. What a great faith, do anything you want and just say ask for Christ’s forgiveness and all is well. These people are living in a fantasy world and are going to take us all down.

[Peaceful Protester]

82. Generalities Are Akin to Stereotypes

Alabama Pastors Pen A Powerful Letter Of Rebuke Against Roy Moore

http://moorenews.net/articles/4/5/4365/WATCH-Alabama-Pastors-Pen-A-Powerful-Letter-Of-Rebuke-Against-Roy-Moore.html

More than 55 Alabama pastors initially signed the open letter on Nov. 16. Hundreds of other ministers and lay Christians from within and outside of Alabama have added their names to the campaign after it was posted online on Nov. 18 to the petition site Groundswell, operated by New York’s Auburn Theological Seminary.

We clergy write and sign this letter not as representatives of our own congregations but as individual faith leaders compelled by conscience to speak. Our intent is not to tell anyone how to vote, but to urge the people of Alabama to vote their conscience, regardless of political affiliation. It is our belief that in light of Roy Moore’s extremist beliefs, his patterns of behavior, and the recent allegations against him, no person of faith can, in good conscience, support him or his religious nationalism. He has done harm to our government; he has done harm to our Christian witness; and he has done harm to vulnerable people.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

There are 3 things Christianity requires for eternal life and forgiveness of sin:

1) Faith • (John 3:16)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

2) Repentance • (1st John 1:10)
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.

3) Action • (2nd Corinthians 5:17)
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
.

[Stuart G]

45. NO...I can give you one reason, and one reason only.

He may give orders, but people around him will not allow it. He can order all he wants. But if he calls for what you say, civil war... there are people around him that won't allow him to get to a microphone. They will knock him out, and do what is necessary to stop civil war... again,,,,they will prevent civil war, that is why they are there.

ok, you say that can't happen..well it happened already.. It has been said that Nixon went nuts at the end, and the country was being run by a few staff members. (sec of state if I recall) ...Nixon was talking to the walls it has been said. orders were, not to follow Nixon's orders at the end)...

[louis c]

46. I'm sorry, there is not a soul that will take up arms to save Trump

His supporters are cowards. Many don't even want to answer that they support him in a poll.

His strength is in the money people, and you can bet no millionaire or billionaire is taking to the streets. I was a product of the late sixties and early seventies. I knew revolutionaries. I've seen huge demonstrations and riots. I also know Trump supporters and they will complain, but I don't know a single one that will take to the streets in rebellion.

Whenever you see insurrection anywhere, it starts with students, young people and minorities. Hardly the Trump demographic. Trump's hidden support in 2016 came from people who never even voted before, now you think they'll take up arms against the police and soldiers they claim to worship? No way.

The average Trump supporter has a good job and a family and admires bigots, and supports bigotry but will never admit to it. He's going out on the street? It's more likely he'll go to his local bar, have a dozen beers and complain all night about how we all got fucked.

Take up arms against the American military? Those fucking coward assholes?

The most likely scenario is that Trump pardons his family members, resigns and rides off into the sunset and his supporters start scraping their Trump and MAGA stickers off their cars.

[mreilly]

48. I like the way you think!

.... excellent work on your 6000th post. Thanks for the reassurance and the very insightful points.

[Pluvious]

83. Solid points Louis - remember how McCarthyism ended...

There was that precipitous collapse, when human decency reasserted itself.

Like our Country woke up, and normalcy returned.

I pray to the Mighty Zeus, this too, shall pass.

[Efilroft Sul]

47. IF it comes to that.

Then kill them all. The cancer will have presented itself in full and needs to be wiped out.

[Dalton Mac]

55. If that, in fact, DOES happen,

then I'll be supporting our Men and Women in uniform. And not just with words!

[Jakes Progress]

58. That is exactly what putin wanted

when he orchestrated trump's election.

[JohnnyRingo]

59. Fortunately, the median age of his supporters is about antique

Sure, they can put a gun mount on a walker, and the oxygen tank helps ignore tear gas, but they'll give up the revolution when Wheel Of Fortune comes on. Easier to dash off another cranky letter to the editor and yell at the Meals On Wheels woman about how kids today think they're entitled.

People forget too, that Trump's base aren't the only ones who have guns. Not by a figurative long shot.

[mreilly]

62. I hear you...

... I own them too.

[JohnnyRingo]

70. I was raised by Kennedy Democrats.

My first rifle was a .22 Mossberg that was so long and I was so young I couldn't even shoot myself in the foot. There was always a brick of ammo in the kitchen cupboard and a thousand rounds a week was normal consumption. Had a BB gun target range in the basement before that since I was in kindergarten.

I wouldn't poke at hornets nests if I were a Trumpy. Those idiots assume we all threw our guns in the ocean so we could vote for Hillary.

[drray23]

60. i dont think so.

Maybe a few isolated incidents. Most of these guys talk a big game but they are just blowhards. They wont go against law enforcment or the national guard. Hell, they sure wont intimidate me or step foot on my property. Out here in the country not just rwingers are armed and unlike many of them i served and can defend myself and my family.

[Awsi Dooger]

66. Trump will serve 4 years and be renominated

He will have incredible advantages as an incumbent.

I always default to big picture logic instead of nitpicking day to day subjective trivia, which more often than not will lead in the wrong direction.

If we wanted to prevent Trump from serving 4 years the opportunity was November 8, 2016, not Robert Mueller in 2017 or later.

[GulfCoast66]

68. You cant fight an insurrection

While riding hover-round and breathing from an oxygen tank.

And please keep in mind DUs percentage of gun ownership is, I would guess, way lower than the average Democratic Party members. Not to mention independents and the majority of republicans who still value democracy(and there are many of them).

But these threads can be fun.

[quaker bill]

71. A different take

I think 2018 will be a year of corrections. First we get an asset bubble correction, I am thinking it starts very soon, but perhaps not until spring. This slowdown and market correction begins to eat into the 32% Trump base. Of course the slow trickle of indictments and disclosures over Russia continues well into the summer. In November we get a political correction where the Don needs to start doing business with "Chuck and Nancy".

This will render DJT completely whiny and impotent. This will just get worse over time as the only thing he knows how to do is to "turn it up to 11". (Whiny and impotent sounds really bad at 11) At some point later, he resigns, is removed, or is primaried out of existence. By that point nearly everyone will be pleased with this result. In short, he fades away by simply becoming less and less relevant to the point where no one gives a rat's backside how it ends.

[McCamy Taylor]

73. He has been sucking up to the Pentagon from day one. Putin probably told him

that he needed the military on his side in case he needed to stage a coup. Russia will be tickled pink if we have a civil war.

Not convinced that many true born in the USA Americans will leave the comfort of their Lazy-Boys and take to the streets to fight for Trump, though. Americans like to watch violence on TV. I would not put it past Russia to send a bunch of mercenaries into the country and have them pretend to be native born. However, if they try it, the CIA will be all over these dudes.

I am beginning to suspect that Russians do not understand Americans very well.

[heaven05]

75. 66 million

ameriKKKans voted for this POS, but why quibble, 62 is enough to show how widespread the ignorance and hate has ALWAYS been in ameriKKKa. This so-called democracy ended nov 8, 2016....

[atreides1]

77. By the time any of that happens

Trump will have formed his own private SS and Gestapo, and they will remove all members of Congress that may be seen as a threat to his rule!!!

The Republicans are more then willing to go along with almost anything Trump wants to do, because they no longer represent the people, they now are in office to do the bidding of those who pay them, and I'm not talking about the paltry $174,000 that they receive from a population that shows its utter stupidity, each day!!!

[brooklynite]

79. This entire thread is pretty fringe fiction.

[hunter]

81. If Trump goes down in disgrace, his supporters will be claiming they didn't vote for him.

That's about as far as it will go.

Just watch.

None of them would ever back a loser like Trump.

[Hamlette]

88. I'd suggest a nap. Trump will leave office on Jan 20, 2021.

it will be peaceful.

What we do after that is what is important. We need to end the propaganda of Fox and Rush etc. They are poisoning our society.