Kirsten Gillibrand appreciation thread

[oberliner]

One month into the Trump administration, Gillibrand had staked out the most defiant position among her colleagues, casting the most “no” votes against his Cabinet nominees of any senator.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/kirsten-gillibrand-progressive-champion-2020-run.html

Gillibrand and Klobuchar Rally the Troops at Women’s Convention

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/10/28/kirsten_gillibrand_and_amy_klobuchar_applaud_grassroots_activists_in_women.html

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, a New York Democrat and 2020 frontrunner, and top Democratic groups waded into a congressional fight between two Democrats, endorsing a progressive woman challenging one of the most conservative Democrats in the House.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gillibrand-endorses-illinois-woman-challenging-incumbent-democrat-2017-11

U.S. Rep. Cheri Bustos, D-Ill., and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-New York, have joined forces on a proposal that would ban mandatory arbitration agreements in sexual harassment disputes.

http://qctimes.com/news/local/government-and-politics/bustos-gillibrand-propose-ending-arbitration-agreements-in-sexual-harassment-disputes/article_12d3f917-0462-56c3-bb3c-616f52e1960c.html

Please add your own positive or uplifting story about Kristen Gillibrand and her fight for Democratic and progressive causes.

[msongs]

1. still waiting for her to condemn trump at a public press conference. profiles in courage and all n t

[Gabi Hayes]

13. haaaaaaa......ya think the OP is expecting these sorts of responses?

unintended consequence thread of the day

Larfs a plenty!

[Drahthaardogs]

21. I haven't figured out if they are just trolling us

Or if they are serious.

Maybe forgot the ?

[Gabi Hayes]

27. my thoughts exactly......almost said that, as well

been thinking that I must've Rip v Winkled myself forward to the first of April, or somesuch

quite a few curious OPs these days

sowing the seeds of internal dissent is not a pretty thing to watch

think I'll go back to my library dvd of the first season of St. Elsewhere, which is where any sane person should be these days

so depressing

[ChubbyStar]

48. St. Elsewhere what a brilliant show

I'm glad to find a fellow devotee!

[Gabi Hayes]

50. amazing all the great actors that got their first real notice on that show, including

at least two Oscar winners

[ChubbyStar]

56. Indeed it was a force of beauty

My ex husband was a real life DR. Mark Craig, evil vile bastard. Thirty years on I still have nightmares about him.

[dflprincess]

214. Count me in on that

I loved St. Elsewhere.

The internist I had at the time it was one did too - he told my it was surprisingly realistic about what it was like to be an intern.

[FarPoint]

81. I am so with you on this!

I so desire this Board clean up Trolls while they still can.

[Alice11111]

68. I started to say, are you a troll. Vote Gillibrand Out!

I worked for her before. I will be working for her opponent this time. That and all of the $$💰 I can raise.

Back stabber killed off our best voice.

[Wiseman32218]

165. Exactly, she is only for one thing - herself

[Kajun Gal]

190. Maybe this ISa troll thing!

Beware!

[Alice11111]

61. Right on! 💯

[itsrobert]

2. UnRec

Thanks, but no thanks to the backstabber.

[oasis]

3. She has my full support to remain in the senate, for entire career.

[oasis]

73. As long as she doesn't pull another stunt, not ever having her

as president, will suffice for now.

[Bleacher Creature]

124. We have a POTUS who likes to threaten prison for political enemies who haven't committed a crime.

Perhaps you'd be more comfortable on a message board supporting him and his crew.

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

4. Blah

I'm just totally overwhelmed with enthusiasm

[Gabi Hayes]

17. yep. she was toast the moment she spewed that garbage about WJC and

he should have resigned

wtf was up with that?

perhaps she was asleep during that real, actual witch hunt.

JFC

[Gabi Hayes]

74. totally, man. and the liberal media couldn't have pounced any harder, with more glee

than they did, to both her political Tourette outbursts (to coin a phrase from either rick Wilson or Steve Schmidt, recovering repubs)

excellent posts here from you, btw!

[beaglelover]

169. +1

[avebury]

7. Unrec

I will save my support for Sally Yates , a true hero.

[MagickMuffin]

8. No appreciation from me!

I stand with Senator Al Franken!!!

[bluestarone]

12. this

this

[Lotusflower70]

23. Agree 100%

The railroading was thick. He got thrown under the bus. This makes her memorable just not the way she was hoping for.

[marble falls]

15. Maybe you'd like to modify that before you get alerted on?

[rzemanfl]

62. Greeny is just stirring. n/t

[Kirk Lover]

108. Oh please, there will be hardly anyone left with the rantings and lunatic ravings I'm seeing on here

And let's just say other people have been banned in the past for far far less....just sayin'.

[oasis]

71. I suggest you bail on this so you can be around for the REAL stuff.

[jalan48]

10. We can do better. There are many qualified women who would make better candidates.

[Crunchy Frog]

11. .

[dalton99a]

14. I'm ok with her stepping down

[Kingofalldems]

16. Oh I see what's going on here.

[Glorfindel]

18. Can't do it.

She knew what she was doing when she stabbed Senator Franken in the back. Let her enjoy the fruits of her labors without my endorsement, support, or approval.

[Horizens]

19. Happy?

Probably not quiet the response you were anticipating?

[ret5hd]

28. Exactly the anticipated response. Revise one assumption and it becomes clear.

[ret5hd]

31. GMTA

[Cattledog]

20. I'm turning on my dehumorizer for this thread!

[TheCowsCameHome]

22. Post it on Free Republic.

They must really love her, after what she's done to us.

[Kingofalldems]

24. And the cave too.

[R B Garr]

33. Hmm, I have bean wondering about that.

Lots of huge New York Senator fans now, it seems. All of a sudden like.

[oberliner]

99. She is a Democrat who has fought for the causes promoted by DUers since she got to the Senate

She has been one of the strongest and loudest voices against Trump.

[womanofthehills]

111. She blew it - check social media - no longer liked

Thousands on her Facebook page are upset with her.

[TheCowsCameHome]

122. She cost us one of our very best senators.

She organized and led the lynch mob that ended Al Franken's career. In doing so, she probably ended hers, too, not that I care one bit about what happens to her from now on.

What kind of excuses are you going to offer for that?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

182. Not as loud and strong as Bernie... but then, who is?

Just wish he didn't go along with the initial group demanding Franken resign and had allowed him the due process he deserved... disappointed in Bernie on that one.

[yankeepants]

228. I would phrase that "done for them."

[ret5hd]

25. Apropos of nothing, I thought this other thread was very interesting:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029953435

[Kingofalldems]

26. Oh yeah!

[Gabi Hayes]

30. so, let's hear it from all the KG supporters out there:

Buehler?

[Kingofalldems]

35. Apparently only 2 so far.

[Drahthaardogs]

38. But they posted in both threads

So it's like, DOUBLE!

Or something...

[LisaL]

39. Yep, that should count twice.

[R B Garr]

47. That seems to happen a lot!

DOUBLE. At least...

[oberliner]

106. Up to 6

[Kirk Lover]

107. Why are you just singling out her? You should be going after everyone else as well.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

183. True, though, to be honest, she did lead the charge...

but, there is safety in numbers and they all had a hand in Franken's demise... no question.

[oberliner]

113. "I could easily see it. She's now a high profile Senator, progressive, and SMART!"

That's from a DUer posting in this thread:

COULD KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND FINISH WHAT HILLARY STARTED?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029607844

That was just two months ago.

[oberliner]

109. I thought of that thread too

There's got to be a secret O'Keefe here somewhere.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

32. She gets no appreciation from me

[oberliner]

34. She is an outstanding Democratic member of the senate

Who has taken the lead on many critical issues and has taken the fight to the Republicans - particularly Trump's administration.

[ClarendonDem]

36. Exactly

Fully support her, and hopefully all other Dems do too. She's going to be a critical senator in limiting the damage Trump does.

[ChubbyStar]

69. So encouraged to hear that from you!

It's quite clear how committed you are. What a CHAMP!

[ClarendonDem]

87. Thanks

Means a lot coming from you. Working together we can defeat Trump.

[Alice11111]

76. Did you mean ENHANCING the damage of Trump...that

will be her legacy. She knocked out our best warrior, and has tried to knock out others.

[ClarendonDem]

89. Curious to know what other warriors you think

She's tried to knock out. I haven't read any such thing.

[Renew Deal]

203. Really? She knocked him out?

She must be pretty powerful to get him to resign for nothing.

[Drahthaardogs]

112. Yes. Calling for the resignation of the Senator who drilled Sessions

Without giving him the ethics investigation he requested thus opening up another seat to defend in the 2018 election when we were already behind the 8 ball was PURE. FUCKING. GENIUS!

Truly, she is playing chess while the rest of us were playing checkers.

Such political deftness, one does not see it often.

[ClarendonDem]

114. Surely Gillibrand wasn't the only senator who called for Franken's resignation

Did I miss something?

[Drahthaardogs]

115. Don't play me for a damned fool.

I'm not one. You and I both know who started this shit and we all suspect why, and it sure was NOT for the overall good of the party.

[ClarendonDem]

117. Honest question

Do folks really think Gillibrand was the driving force behind Franken's resignation? I mean, she's the reason resigned? It wasn't Harris, or Schumer, or Perez, but solely Gillibrand? I missed that.

[Drahthaardogs]

119. YES!

And everyone thinks she did it for political capital to bolster her own Presidential aspirations.

Have you not figured that out by now?

[ClarendonDem]

121. Do you have any support for that claim?

Cause it isn't clear to me at all. I mean, is there some sort of evidence that Gillibrand was the first to call for Franken's resignation? And did all the other senators call for Franken's resignation because they want Gillibrand to be the nominee?

[Drahthaardogs]

126. The news said she was the first

And a lot of us are having a hard time losing our hard hitting Senator over
.1) A story of a USO Tour that has more holes in it than Swiss cheese

2) Anonymous complaints

3) Allegations that he pulled this while ON CAMERA,and the photos don't support the claim.

The final straw was an article by a woman who ASKED him to pose for a picture and said he inappropriately grabbed her WAIST... Not a boob, not her butt, her WAIST!

Do you not realize how utterly stupid that sounds?

Ask yourself this, after watching his arch enemy O Riely brought down by this stuff, do you think Al is dumb enough to do it too?

Of he is, I sure hope he did something more than grab a waist during a photo

[rainy]

198. You are so right and we need to

make what you said part of the entire discussion so that people know exactly what the claims against Al are. I hope the truth comes out about Leanne and Stone!

[ebbie15644]

123. Agree

[LisaL]

37. Her most successful fight seem to have been going after a democrat.

No?

[Gabi Hayes]

43. like all the times she's called for him to step down for his his serial sexual assaults?

got it

a kudos for the funniest thread of the day bah fahr!

[TheCowsCameHome]

54. Actually, she should be standing outside looking in.

Sort of like what Al Franken is going to be doing.

[brush]

83. Kirsten? Is that you? You seem to be the odd ball out on your own OP.

[oberliner]

110. She is a Democrat who has fought for the causes promoted by DUers since she got to the Senate

Sad to see such lack of support for her.

[brush]

158. Sad to see she was so gullible to believe the shetchy Tweeden story right off the bat...

then to fall finally for the "he groped my waist" BS and the he said: "it's my right as an entertainer"- too contrived even for a D-movie line.

[lapucelle]

171. How so? N/T

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

45. She blow it with me with the Franken bullshit

Sorry if that bothers you

[L. Coyote]

40. Congrats on getting rid opf a troll.

Link to tweet

[CentralMass]

41. Well I'm afraid that I've followed her lead and judged her without looking into the facts.

It was the expedient thing to do. Oh well, I wonder who else might run .

[OnDoutside]

226. Ouch !

[bench scientist]

42. Nope. Hypocrite call on Trump to resign? Hold a press conference about like she did Franken?

[dalton99a]

46. I give her credit for standing up to a president

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/politics/gillibrand-bill-clinton-sexual-misconduct.html
Bill Clinton Should Have Resigned Over Lewinsky Affair, Kirsten Gillibrand Says
By JENNIFER STEINHAUER | NOV. 16, 2017

[bench scientist]

51. Bill Clinton is no longer THE President. And she was comfortable for years taking $ from Th Clintons

She cares about woman issues - The issue of Kirsten Gillibrand.

[Gabi Hayes]

53. do yourself (and all of us) a favor and educate yourself just a bit

The Hunting of the President

sheesh.......

[dalton99a]

55. edited to add sarcasm warning

[Gabi Hayes]

64. sorry, dalton....just saw the sarcasm edit

leaving this, though, so others realize how we got where we are today:

Newt Gingrich's 1996 GOPAC memo

As you know, one of the key points in the GOPAC tapes is that "language matters." In the video "We are a Majority," Language is listed as a key mechanism of control used by a majority party, along with Agenda, Rules, Attitude and Learning. As the tapes have been used in training sessions across the country and mailed to candidates we have heard a plaintive plea: "I wish I could speak like Newt."

That takes years of practice. But, we believe that you could have a significant impact on your campaign and the way you communicate if we help a little. That is why we have created this list of words and phrases.

This list is prepared so that you might have a directory of words to use in writing literature and mail, in preparing speeches, and in producing electronic media. The words and phrases are powerful. Read them. Memorize as many as possible. And remember that like any tool, these words will not help if they are not used.

While the list could be the size of the latest "College Edition" dictionary, we have attempted to keep it small enough to be readily useful yet large enough to be broadly functional. The list is divided into two sections: Optimistic Positive Governing words and phrases to help describe your vision for the future of your community (your message) and Contrasting words to help you clearly define the policies and record of your opponent and the Democratic party.

Please let us know if you have any other suggestions or additions. We would also like to know how you use the list. Call us at GOPAC or write with your suggestions and comments. We may include them in the next tape mailing so that others can benefit from your knowledge and experience.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm

[dalton99a]

77. No worries

I have actually seen the movie and can't recommend it enough

[R B Garr]

65. That right there! They were good enough to help her when she needed it.

What a hypocrite.

Not going to forget this, Gillibrand! This was a total betrayal and a huge setback for women. Now everyone is mocking the trivial Franken vanities of touching a muffin top while having a picture taken. Are you kidding me??! Please don't make a mockery of women!

[jrthin]

44. All this woman can muster is contempt for her.

[SeaDoo77]

167. Ouch

Incredible observation

[no_hypocrisy]

49. Nope. She did past good work, but she turned on another democrat

who had not been given the benefit of due process.

If she can't protect Al Franken's constitutional rights, she likely won't protect mine.

(And BTW, she didn't have to be the very first one to call for Franken to resign or to even join in. I never forgave Joe Lieberman for jumping on the Senate floor to demand Bill Clinton to resign.)

[Butterflylady]

52. With friends like her

Who needs enemies.

[Mme. Defarge]

57. I will always think of Senator Gillibrand

as the Democrat who led the “I’m not Spartacus” moment.

[Alice11111]

80. Wonderful post! Exactly who Guillibrand is...not Spartacus

[stonecutter357]

58. #fakenews.

[rzemanfl]

59. Waring blender? n/t

[tazkcmo]

60. She broke DU's TOS agreement

She should be TS'ed.

[mnhtnbb]

225. Thread winner!

[Dream Girl]

63. If she thinks Black folks will stand out in the November cold to vote for he she is sadly

Mistaken. She has a very narrow white womans agenda. Clueless.

[rzemanfl]

67. Have an "r" on me. I agree with you, few white folks will either. n/t

[Mme. Defarge]

184. Bingo!

[stonecutter357]

66. 64 replies, 1023 views and 4 rec's lol

[TheCowsCameHome]

75. Call Kirstin. Someone touched the "Rec" button 4 times.

This shit must STOP!

[madaboutharry]

78. Unrec.

She needs to stay in the Senate. She has reached her limit. Anything beyond that she becomes exhibit A for The Peter Principle.

Gillibrand is a backstabber. I don't have any respect for her.

[Kaleva]

79. Military Justice Improvement Act of 2017

Part of the summary for the same bill introduced in 2013:

"Requires a commanding officer who receives a report of a sexual-related offense involving a member in such officer's chain of command to act immediately upon such report by way of referral to the appropriate criminal investigative office or service."

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s967/summary

Link to the 2017 bill

S. 2141: Military Justice Improvement Act of 2017

[crazycatlady]

82. With the way this forum has been acting

I would have thought I was stumbling upon Free Republic.

It seems that Roy Moore and Donald Trump are more popular here than Kirsten Gillibrand. I never knew a Democratic forum (that's TOS involve not speaking ill of other Democrats) was a hate club like this.

[pintobean]

86. No shit.

I wonder if it will stop any time soon. This place is upside down.

[oberliner]

97. Let's share some positive vibes on Gillibrand

She really has been a champion for DU causes since she got to the senate.

[SeaDoo77]

170. She Hurt Our Party

Don't you get it?

While we attack AL Franken real predators are being ignored and EVERYONE but you can see it.

I will stop at that.

[Kirk Lover]

105. IT'S UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE.

[flotsam]

134. Who do you think Julius Caesar had more respect for

the barbarians at the outposts of the empire or his "friends" in the senate???

[crazycatlady]

143. I just think this forum is treating Al Franken as the most important senator

In reality he was one of 48 or 100, an equal, not a VIP.

His voice is no more important than any other senator. In fact Kirsten Gillibrand has a better record of opposing Trump than he does (she's the only senator to vote against his entire cabinet).

[flotsam]

144. Actually he was a rising star

particularly for his questioning during hearings. He was a known supporter of women's rights and a humble family man in a body where that is not as common as the senators would have you believe. In short he could have fairly aspired to higher office and instead the party followed the lead set up by a friend of Hannity and Don Jr. and there IS going to be hell to pay for that. Gillibrand led it and she has been tarnished by it...

[crazycatlady]

145. I actually thought Amy Klobuchar's star is rising faster than Franken's was

And I see her as a potential 2020 VP nominee. Her speech at the DNC moved me.

[BlueWI]

180. Amy Kloubachar is great. So is Al Franken.

I got to meet Amy Kloubachar in Minneapolis before she was a senator and really enjoyed the conversation. I have also admired Al Franken for effectively fighting the usual Republican vote caging tactics during his first campaign, keeping the Minnesota Senate delegation blue during the Obama wave, and contributing to the supermajority that got Obamacare passed. I admire him lately for challenging the segregationist Jeff Sessions and helping to shame the Republicans into appointing Mueller.

I see much to admire in Franken's record, and if he had run for president, he would have had significant appeal beyond the solidly blue states. Obviously, events have intervened. Nevertheless, no need to build up one of Minnesota's admirable senators at the expense of the other.

[dhol82]

191. I am unhappy with Klobuchar for not supporting Franken.

She was his state colleague and a friend.
She sat on her hands when he was accused.
Guess she thought it was truly good of her not to join in the attack.
Not amused.

[BlueWI]

197. I can see your point.

Her public statement saying she knows Franken will do the right thing would have been better off as a no comment.

Maybe there will be a New Yorker article soon that will at least explain how this rush to judgement gained so much steam so soon. If there's no public accountability it will make a bad situation worse.

[LisaL]

161. He was certainly more than just a regular senator.

[peggysue2]

179. Gotta say

I was against the pile-on of Franken and miffed at some of Gillibrand's comments (simply do not agree with her on this) but . . .

this outrage is a wee bit over-the-top. We've already had one Senator fall on his sword but now we're calling for Gillibrand's crucifixion?

Really??

Makes me wonder who will be left in this march for the perfect senator/candidate. Also reminds me of all the shrieks that Pelosi must step down, get out of the way for younger blood, etc., etc., etc.

My suspicion radar is beginning to beep. Loudly. Eating our own is never a good thing. Be it Franken or Gillibrand. But there are certainly others who would benefit if as Dems we began a serious fratricide, particularly of those mentioned as viable 2020 contenders.

Just saying.

[BlueWI]

186. At this moment, Gillibrand is probably pretty popular on

Free Republic, having played such a key role in removing one of the most high profile opponents to the Trump agenda. Free Republic has to be happy that no complicated Russian trolling or expensive opposition campaign was necessary to get rid of Franken. The Democratic Senate leadership was perfectly willing to do the removal themselves.

BTW, I also get that extended intraparty venting isn't going to win future elections. However - we are barely 48 hours after a duly elected Democratic senator was encouraged to leave his office on flimsy charges in the midst of a full blown crisis of the Republic. If Schumer, Sanders, Brown, Heitkamp, Baldwin, et al., didn't expect blowback from their base, that's a whole new level of tone deaf political leadership.

I am going to stay politically active as a Dem because it's the only viable opposition party. And I hope others will do the same. But this episode has given me a new level of disappointment with a party I've supported for a long long time. And this is a common sentiment among a lot of the people that the party will count on come election day.

So it goes.

[dhol82]

192. +1

[rainy]

229. Well said

[Kirk Lover]

84. I understand being angry but this whole "I'm never supporting her with anything again'

is fucking ridiculous and not helpful to the overall end goal. This is another reason why we lose, no loyalty.

[LisaL]

88. Loyalty isn't her strong suit, is it?

She had Clinton's support when she needed it for the election, but then she claimed he should have resigned.

[Kirk Lover]

92. Yeah I didn't agree with her about that, I do understand why she said it and what she

meant. However, I'm still loyal to the Dem party and she is in it. The R's stick with a racist pussygrabber and we turn on each other at the drop of a dime. You can say that about Gillibrand and if you're turning on her then you can also say that about yourself.

[itsrobert]

91. No Loyalty for Franken

Why does the backstabber deserve it from others?

[Kirk Lover]

93. Then you are just as bad as her and just as disloyal.

[LisaL]

94. Oh please.

[Pathwalker]

130. OMG! Shades of the bitter primary wars! Where someone who's

been here a little over a month gets to accuse a long timer of not being "loyal" i:e: A "true Democrat.
Who gave you the right to decide that?

[Kirk Lover]

133. All you have to do is read and a 'decision' is easily determined. I never 'accused' anybody

of not being a Democrat....only of being disloyal. Only of being absolutely fucking ridiculous by writing a GOOD DEMOCRAT off because you disagree with ONE THING. Yeah I think it's a pretty pathetic display around here and it doesn't take a long time poster TO SEE THAT.

I am not happy with Al being out...but for fuck sake the carrying around going on here is EMBARRASSING.

[flotsam]

137. You should get used to the fact

that for many low count posters this ain't our first rodeo.

[LisaL]

95. No loyalty for Clinton either.

And he helped her to win her election.

[uponit7771]

103. +1

[ret5hd]

125. O My God...You don't even see the irony of YOUR OWN POST!!!

[Kirk Lover]

136. Of course I do, it was by design.

[intheozone]

85. Sorry, I'm in no mood to apreciate her.

What she did to Senator Frankin and her stupid "zero tolerance" talk is unforgiveable.

[flotsam]

139. And yet when you give her zero tolerance

her supporters lose their shit...

[lunamagica]

90. Nope. Unrec

[Demsrule86]

96. hahahaha...appreciate?

Appreciate what...Oh has she come out for Trump's resignation yet ? Or is she only interested in getting Democrats to resign.

[LisaL]

98. But it's a lot easier to get rid of a democratic senator than Trump.

[Demsrule86]

240. Exactly.

[AlexSFCA]

100. at this point

any dem who can win, will get my vote but not necessarily excited or energized.

[guillaumeb]

101. How about her total abandonment of any sort of due process

in the rush to judgment?

That was positively something, was it not?

[KPN]

102. Nope -- can't do it.

[Meowmee]

104. IMO Shes not fit for office

And should resign. Along with all the others who pulled this McCarthyite move against Franken. Someone who doesn’t believe in due process should not be in office. If they’re not willing to fight for this country then let them step aside to let those who will serve us. Is there a way to non rec a post?

[Gabi Hayes]

116. she pinched my ass a few years ago, I think.

It felt like it, anyway, and she was somewhere in the vicinity

I think

shouldn't she resign, too?

didn't she do something bad to others here, too?

let's join in and force her out.

you don't even have to say who you are!

[Bleacher Creature]

118. K&R. NT

[Rustyeye77]

120. No appreciation from me...sorry.

[July]

127. Not what I'm hearing from Democratic friends and family in NY.

So I have no "positive and uplifting story" (why are you soliciting them?) about Gillibrand to report. Let us know when you're looking for "negative and disgusted reaction" to her.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

128. I do appreciate much of what she's done for progressive causes.

I've been totally against Franken resigning. Though, I've heard some good arguments in favor, so I'm reserving judgement on that as well as on Gillibrand.

[doc03]

129. For what? Costing us the only

Democrat that tells it like it is?

[Different Drummer]

131. Can't totally appreciate her.

On the one hand, I appreciate all she's done for progressive causes. On the other hand, she did contribute to throwing Franken to the wolves.

[ProfessorGAC]

132. Shame On You

Predictable nonsense!

[oberliner]

138. For supporting a Democrat?

Is that not kosher?

[Bettie]

149. Perhaps if she had supported a Democrat

we would not be as disgusted by her.

She stabbed him in the back for her own ambitions.

[SeaDoo77]

172. Bingo

[WoonTars]

177. Exactly!

..

[CommonHumanity]

135. After she apologies

I will express my appreciation when she rescinds her call for Franken's resignation and admits she was hoodwinked by the GOP Swiftboat/Stone/character assassinators.

[spooky3]

140. Welcome to DU!

[SeaDoo77]

173. +1

[lpbk2713]

174. Don't hold your breath.

It takes moral fiber for someone to admit they were wrong.

[Owl]

141. UnRec

[ornotna]

142. No thank you

KTHXBAI

[oberliner]

146. It is important to stand up for Gillibrand, now more than ever

Even if you disagree with her stand with respect to Franken - there are so many positive contributions she has made to Democratic causes.

[ornotna]

163. And a couple of big fat negative ones

Thanks, but no thanks.

[mcar]

147. She has done excellent work supporting women

in the military.

[woolldog]

148. Not a lot of appreciation going on in here.

[OnDoutside]

150. True ! I'm a bit surprised no one has alerted this thread for being divisive.

[oberliner]

153. A positive thread about a Democrat is divisive?

What the hell?

[OnDoutside]

154. Ah come on, Oberliner, you're fooling no one ! You got your answer on this thread by the reaction.

Your call, but it might have been better for you to leave all the anger die down, rather than stoke up such a reaction again. Perhaps you were only looking for a reaction, I dunno.

[MadDAsHell]

157. Gotta agree without Oberliner. If a positive thread about a 2020 hopeful is divisive...

We’ve officially gone over the edge.

If candidly discussing issues that are currently dividing Democrats on a national level is “too divisive” for DU, why are we even here? To simply echo each other?

It feels like some DUers are more focused on outing and alerting threads they feel “don’t belong here” than in trying to find threads to actually participate in and be a contributor to the discussion.

[OnDoutside]

224. In normal times I would agree 100% agree but we have just

witnessed a much loved and respected Democratic Senator being stabbed in the back, by a group of his fellow Senators led by the Senator of the thread. It's so Shakespearian.

The creator of the thread, having already contributed to the many other supportive Franken threads in a less than Pro Franken way, and seen the upset caused to so many other DU members, then creates this thread ! Either Oberliner is having a laugh at their expense, or has crassly misjudged the mood here.

I think the depth of negative comments on this thread speaks volumes.

[Renew Deal]

205. Dont worry, theyll catch up

Around November 2020

[dlk]

151. Should We Add Railroading Franken?

[juxtaposed]

152. keep the water flowing

[Blue_true]

155. I like Kristen. But I almost bit my lips off chewing to popcorn reading this thread.

There is some serious and misguided hate for her on DU.

[oberliner]

199. Thanks for this post

I know that there are folks out there who appreciate everything she has done as a senator. I feel the same way as you do about the misguided hate for her of late at DU.

[HughBeaumont]

156. As a presidential hopeful, she makes an all right Senator.

As it's been mentioned, that "high ground" is going to come in handy when we're all living in cardboard boxes or incinerated in a nuclear war.

[Hugin]

159. I would appreciate it if Sen Gillibrand would please sit next to Roy Moore at any public event...

to keep an eye on him. Especially, if there are young women present. A chaperone, so to speak.

She's the champion of such things and has a proven track record.

Thanks in advance.

[mchill]

216. That

[ucrdem]

160. She either did a lousy thing or took credit for a RW hit job.

Those aren't exactly core Democratic principles.

[SeaDoo77]

162. Sorry Don't Want To Get Banned.... Again....

I support AL Franken 100%

[Kirk Lover]

238. I know folks should wise up that people with low post counts are not automatically trolls,

and often they are not 'new'.

[SeaDoo77]

164. Look it All Them Posts Removed - 20 People List Their Accounts On 1 OP

I take it they weren't McCarthy fans.

[BlueWI]

166. How about a Doug Jones appreciation thread?

There's an election on Tuesday, and the Senate is currently down one true progressive. Maybe a steady stream of pro-Gillibrand threads isn't the immediate priority.

[oberliner]

207. Go Doug Jones!

Link to tweet

[Walbash Blues]

168. Ever hear the expression .

It does no good to beat a dead horse.

[riverwalker]

175. The Peter Principle

She reached her level of incompetence. Can stay in the Senate.

[WoonTars]

176. Nope. She hurt the party with her grandstanding.

And i certainly do NOT appreciate that.

[rainin]

178. Kind gesture but it reminds me of everybody gets a trophy.

I don't appreciate her. I will never trust her, EVER!

[spicysista]

181. I did like her very much.

She seems to have been on the right side of all party issues. She has been very consistent in her stance regarding sexual assault and protecting the troops. She is a dedicated democrat and is usually a team player. I just think she's made a serious error in this matter. Now, I don't believe in holding her to a higher standard than anyone else. She has made a mistake and she should say so. One mistake should not end someone's career. I mean, it's not like she goes around constantly bashing the democratic party as an "outsider" or anything......

[KPN]

230. "One mistake should not end someone's career?"

Perhaps she should have thought about that before ending someone's career.

[spicysista]

233. She did not end Senator Franken's career.

He, being the bigger person, is choosing to step down. I think he is to be commended for being truly noble. The truth will always out! It is not accurate to say that she has ended his career. I actually believe that once the ethics committee clears him, he will be in an even better position politically. I think his future, should he wish to move forward in politics, will be quite bright.
As stated in my post, I think the senator from New York has made a mistake. She was not alone in her mistake. Many senators joined her.

[KPN]

236. Well, we disagree on that one. I hold her accountable for leading off

in speaking out and enjoining/rallying the pack around her, all to burnish her 2020 WH credentials.

It was a stupid political calculation that has already damaged our party in my view. She has cooked her own goose -- with me at least.

[LBM20]

185. Where is her big press conference condemning Trump and insisting that HE resign?

[dhol82]

193. This!

[oberliner]

200. She has voted against Trump's Cabinet appointees more times than any other senator

[stonecutter357]

187. 3417 views and 11 rec's DO you fill like a fail·ure ?

let's go Hillary Rodham Clinton !

[oberliner]

204. It's up to 13 now

And I appreciate every one.

[oasis]

227. Any future pix w/Hillary may have to be photoshopped.

[uponit7771]

235. Now it's 17 ... 16 ...17 again

[Kajun Gal]

189. Ummm,NO!

She threw Al Franken, a democrat who respected women and their cause, under the bus. No love for her.

[Kajun Gal]

194. Kristen Gillibrand dumped on Dems!

She deserves nothing.

[oberliner]

202. She did not "dump on Dems"

That is ridiculous.

[Ligyron]

196. unrec

She makes me ill.

[nocalflea]

201. 😕

[populistdriven]

237. 🤦

[nocalflea]

239. 🙃

[Sophia4]

206. Mandatory arbitration agreements should be completely, totally banned altogether.

Not enough to just bar them in sexual harassment cases.

[oberliner]

223. Agreed

But working to bar them in sexual harassment cases is a good first step in my opinion.

[Sophia4]

234. I don't know whether it is still the case in California.

But for a time at least, mandatory arbitration agreements were prohibited in California in employment cases, employment contracts.

That would cover a lot of sexual harassment cases.

[mchill]

208. I've never been so disgusted with a Democrat - she is dead to me

Kamala Harris too and that makes me very sad. As a Californian, I know I will have two Democrats to pick from in the General Election. Kamila will not be the one I vote for.

I'm still hoping for a miracle.

[oberliner]

209. Do you feel the same way about Feinstein?

Pretty much every Democrat in the Senate took the same position.

[mchill]

213. Yes, I do, as a matter of fact

but I did not see her as one that spearheaded the move, so am slightly less disgusted. Harris and Gillibrand both posted their rationale on their FB pages, though since the blowback, it seems Harris has taken that post down.

If Tom Steyer runs, I will vote for him, or not vote at all, against Feinstein. In California, we would have two Democrats to choose from in the General, so there is no danger of a Republican taking the seat.

[NBachers]

210. *fart noise*

[Persondem]

211. This horse is mostly dead. Stop beating it. nt

[LexVegas]

212. Rec. Love KG. nt

[JNelson6563]

215. I doubt any here appreciate her as

Much as she appreciates her.

[VOX]

217. On the Democratic Respect-O-Meter, shes a notch ahead of Joe Lieberman.

Can’t get the needle to wiggle up into next-level-mediocre territory with Tom Daschle and Chuck Schumer.

[Matt_R]

218. She took the womens move back many years...

why are you fanning the flames, and posting this obvious ALERT bait?

[hurple]

220. I would appreciate it if she would resign

Effective immediately

[Raine]

221. Absolutely NO! nt

[Garrett78]

222. I appreciate that she decided not to sponsor the Israel Anti-Boycott Act.

Of course, why she ever thought it was a good idea to begin with is beyond me.

[mountain grammy]

231. A week ago, yes.

but this horrific mistake of railroading Al Franken and not seeing it as a play into the hands of Roger Stone and the right wing bullshit.. especially after the election. We have got to defend our own when it's an obvious hit job..

This was a huge mistake. I have no appreciation for all Democratic Senator and Reps who called on Franken to resign.

[delisen]

232. Gillebrand's work on sexual harassment in the military is outstanding

and she has been tireless seeking justice in that arena.

She has been making a difference.

I think she would be running for president-not simply because of personal ambition-but because she wants to be in the best position to effect positive change.

[oberliner]

241. Agreed

She has been a real champion.

[LanternWaste]

242. Your active revels in widening divides are clever...

Your active revels in widening divides are clever...

If there is ever a divisive wound on DU, your consistency applauding its existence is almost as dramatic as your alleged concern over its existence.

[oberliner]

243. Thank you

And here's hoping for a Doug Jones upset as well!