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Skinner

(63,645 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 01:05 AM Dec 2011

Would you like to serve as a Host of a Group? And does your Group even need a Host?

Again, this is an announcement about Group Hosts, not Forum Hosts.

During the testing period this last week, we assigned a number of people to act as temporary hosts in various Groups around the site so we could test the software. To those of you who volunteered, thank you. But, as promised, now that the testing period is over we have wiped the database of Group hosts. If you were a Group Host during the testing period, you are no longer assigned as a Group Host. As I write this, none of the Groups have Hosts assigned. (Note that Forum Hosts from the testing period are still assigned.)


Does your Group need a Host at all?

The first thing that needs to happen in any Group before someone is assigned as a Host, is that the regulars in that group need come to some general agreement that they want a Host at all. The position of Host (especially the most senior Host) holds a significant amount of power in a group -- with the abilities to lock threads, hire and fire other Hosts, and block people out of the group. Are you sure you want to hand that power over to anyone?

Keep in mind that if you do not choose to have a Host, your group will still enjoy some amount of protection. No matter where they are posted, violations of our Community Standards are handled by the random member juries. So even if your group does not have a Host, there is still a system in place that will be able to handle disruptive posts in the group.

With that in mind, there may be some Groups where it might make sense to leave the position of Host vacant:
  • If your group is dedicated to a non-controversial topic, then there is probably no harm in assigning someone as a Host. You are unlikely to need someone to lock threads or block people out of the group, but it might be useful to have someone who can take ownership of the group.
  • If your group is a "Safe Haven" where only one viewpoint is welcome, then you should probably assign a Host to help run the group. It is likely that you will need a Host to lock off-topic threads and block out people who disagree with the purpose of the group.
  • If your group plays host to open debate on a particular topic, and welcomes a wide range of viewpoints, then the choice might not be so simple. If you select a Host, it needs to be someone who is trusted to be fair by people holding a wide range of viewpoints. You may decide that it is better not to assign anyone as the Host of your group, to avoid the risk that that person might use their power to benefit a particular viewpoint.
If you decide that you do wish to have someone assigned as the Host of your group, the next step is to pick someone. The first person selected as Host holds the most power in the Group. The first can add and remove other Hosts, but no other Hosts can remove the first Host. In short: Choose someone you trust.


What to do if you want to serve as a Host? (THESE INSTRUCTIONS HAVE CHANGED)

If the members of your group decide to select a Host, then you must decide who will serve as the first Host. The DU Administrators will assign ONLY ONE host to each Group, and then it is the responsibility of that Host to select other members of the Host Team (if anyone else wishes to serve).

Hopefully in most Groups, selecting a first Host will be a simple matter of awarding the job to the first person who posts in the Group to volunteer for the job. If more than one person is interested, then you need to discuss the choice of Host amongst yourselves until you come to some sort of consensus regarding who should have the job.
  1. If you want to serve as a Host of a particular Group, the first thing you need to do is post in that group to let the members of that group know you are interested in serving as the Host. If a consensus is reached and you are chosen for the job, then -- and only then -- you can report back to this thread and let me know.
  2. Post a reply in this thread telling me which group you have been selected to Host. Include a direct link to your post in the group where you want to serve. I need that link in order to give you host powers.
  3. I will only assign ONE host to each group. After that first host has been assigned, then that first host has the power to grant host status to anyone else. So, if a host is already assigned to a group, then you need to contact that host to become a host.
Good luck selecting your Hosts.

Skinner
DU Admin
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Would you like to serve as a Host of a Group? And does your Group even need a Host? (Original Post) Skinner Dec 2011 OP
I would like to apply to be a host in the fiction group. Little Star Dec 2011 #1
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #39
I'd like to continue on in the Gaming group Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #2
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #40
I would like to the campaign group boston bean Dec 2011 #3
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #41
I'd like to continue Netflix jannyk Dec 2011 #4
There's a Netflix group! tavalon Dec 2011 #11
Laugh while ya can. At the rate the stock is tanking.............. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #18
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #42
Gardening for me....getting unanimous support - see link below NRaleighLiberal Dec 2011 #5
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #43
Thanks, Skinner. n/t NRaleighLiberal Dec 2011 #58
I volunteer for the Native American Group Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #6
I was a little confused by the thread. Skinner Dec 2011 #65
oh yes, that is fine. I did not know that he had already volunteered. Thanks, Skinner. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #7
I received a notice that I was being contacted for the Utah group... midnight Dec 2011 #8
What notice is that? Skinner Dec 2011 #44
I have recieved "unanimous conset" for... ellisonz Dec 2011 #9
Done and done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #45
I'd like to apply to host the world history group RZM Dec 2011 #10
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #66
I would like to continue as host to these groups Hutzpa Dec 2011 #12
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #67
Fiction: Books fadedrose Dec 2011 #13
Socialist Progressives Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #14
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author krispos42 Dec 2011 #15
Computer help and support group canetoad Dec 2011 #16
I have been "nom'd" by 5...no, make that 7 now, people in the Economy group, if you please. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #17
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #69
Skinner, this is the consensus of the regular active members of The LGBT group. William769 Dec 2011 #19
No consensus. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #30
Vote Vanje Dec 2011 #34
William should be disqualified for two reasons. Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #35
Link to message in question Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #37
Skinner, we're working on getting through complications and come up with a concensus on a host. Fearless Dec 2011 #54
Understood. Skinner Dec 2011 #71
Update: Fearless Dec 2011 #108
Pinned. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #109
i would like to stay on in mental health mopinko Dec 2011 #20
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #72
Slow group in the beginning... is this a consensus? PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #21
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #73
I would like to be host of the Baby Boomer group OKNancy Dec 2011 #22
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #74
Oklahoma group OKNancy Dec 2011 #23
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #75
Education please proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #24
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #76
OK, I will continue as the West Virginia Group Host. Lasher Dec 2011 #25
Done. BTW: I lived in Parkersburg for one year when I was a kid. Skinner Dec 2011 #77
Weight Loss and Maintenance Group auntAgonist Dec 2011 #26
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #78
Travel Group TBF Dec 2011 #27
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #79
I would like to continue being host in E/E. XemaSab Dec 2011 #28
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #80
Can I ask if you followed the argument thread about the E&E hosts? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #123
I didn't. I'm going on the honor system here. Skinner Dec 2011 #145
It seems evident that the honor system was abused kristopher Dec 2011 #169
As I said in my post above. Skinner Dec 2011 #170
Do we have your dispensation to open it back up for discussion within the group. kristopher Dec 2011 #172
Go for it. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #173
Tried but not allowed. kristopher Dec 2011 #174
A disingenuous whiny post on your part. FBaggins Dec 2011 #175
I'm happy with our hosts. joshcryer Dec 2011 #178
"others elsewhere on DU would not represent the primary posters in that forum kristopher Dec 2011 #179
I've seen no evidence of abuse. joshcryer Dec 2011 #180
When will you be granting host rights to the groups that have decided who they want? dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #29
I would like to be host of the Photgrpaphy Group. CC Dec 2011 #31
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #81
I think there is maybe a need for AsahinaKimi Dec 2011 #32
The ability to create Groups is coming soon Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #33
I'm happy to set one up. Skinner Dec 2011 #83
Thank you Skinner sama AsahinaKimi Dec 2011 #104
I believe we have more then ten now! AsahinaKimi Dec 2011 #120
Repost, with consensus canetoad Dec 2011 #36
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #84
I would love to host pro-choice uppityperson Dec 2011 #38
Talk to PeaceNikki. Skinner Dec 2011 #85
Done and thanks. uppityperson Dec 2011 #113
I'd like to host North Carolina struggle4progress Dec 2011 #46
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #86
I'd work in the Missouri group, if needed. xmas74 Dec 2011 #47
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #87
I would like to be a host Broken_Hero Dec 2011 #48
I think I already set you up in the Native American group. Skinner Dec 2011 #88
nah ,its okay Broken_Hero Dec 2011 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author Orangepeel Dec 2011 #49
I would like the Jewish group again. Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #50
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #89
I officially apply to be a General Discussion host Aerows Dec 2011 #51
General Discussion is a Forum. Skinner Dec 2011 #90
I'd like to host Propaganda Debunking OswegoAtheist Dec 2011 #52
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #91
There's a consensus in the Australia group, though there aren't many of us at the best of times... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #53
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #92
I'd like to continue on 'Rural/Farm' - please. Here are the replies: jannyk Dec 2011 #55
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #93
I have been asked to host the Ancient Wisdom and Pagan Spirituality group. icymist Dec 2011 #56
Link, please? (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #94
Oh, Sorry about that. Here it is: icymist Dec 2011 #105
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #106
I would like to host the Skepticism, Science and Psuedoscience group TZ Dec 2011 #57
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #95
Bereavement Group auntAgonist Dec 2011 #59
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #96
I believe that we have consensus in the Sports group. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #60
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #97
I'd like to host the Health Forum maddezmom Dec 2011 #61
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #98
How do you know a "concesus has been reached"? HopeHoops Dec 2011 #62
Done and done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #99
Positive response for Parenting. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #63
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #100
TV Chat... one_voice Dec 2011 #64
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #101
Got approval from the Open Source and Free Software group to be a host. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #70
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #102
Approval as host for Cooking and Baking. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #82
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #103
Astrology, Spirituality & Alternative Healing Lucinda Dec 2011 #107
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #146
I would like to Host the Maryland Group madinmaryland Dec 2011 #111
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #147
I'll do Virginia PunkinPi Dec 2011 #112
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #148
Thanks, Skinner! :) nt PunkinPi Dec 2011 #167
Cooking & Baking Lucinda Dec 2011 #115
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #149
Could you make me the Host of the Atheists and Agnostics group? EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #116
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #150
How do OPPOSE mzteris Dec 2011 #117
I would argue that the group doesn't need a host. Skinner Dec 2011 #151
I'd like to host the Gungeon krispos42 Dec 2011 #118
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #152
I would like to be the host of the new Buddhist group I proposed, if possible. oxymoron Dec 2011 #119
What a good idea for a new group... Lithos Dec 2011 #121
Thanks, Lithos oxymoron Dec 2011 #126
I hope you get your group (or groups, as I think were requested) housewolf Dec 2011 #130
I'll try to set this up soon. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #153
I would like to host the Science group. eppur_se_muova Dec 2011 #122
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #154
I requested to be a host in the Pennsylvania group and got positive replies. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #124
General consensus in Cooking & Baking is it would be okay for me to host it. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #125
Actually HH That is not the case The empressof all Dec 2011 #128
I think it's a stretch to call that a "consensus" housewolf Dec 2011 #129
I've tried in other posts, but again, I didn't realize there was a preferred member already... HopeHoops Dec 2011 #138
Thanks for your reply housewolf Dec 2011 #141
I believe that the general consensus is actually for Lucinda to do it. kdmorris Dec 2011 #131
Upon closer reads, I agree - the concensus is for Lucinda (and I threw my weight behind her too). HopeHoops Dec 2011 #137
Here is the thread from the HIV/AIDS Support (Group) William769 Dec 2011 #127
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #155
I would like to host the Veterans Group denbot Dec 2011 #132
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #156
Ancestry and Genealogy - I would like to serve as host kdmorris Dec 2011 #133
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #157
Regarding the request for the Asian Group AsahinaKimi Dec 2011 #134
I'll try to set this up soon. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #158
YATTA!! ARIGATOU!! AsahinaKimi Dec 2011 #171
Posted a request to host the eBay, etc. group and got a positive reply. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #135
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #159
Posted a request to host the crafts group and got 3 positive replies. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #136
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #160
I have been chosen to host the LGBT dsc Dec 2011 #139
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #161
Posted a notice to the Science Group and got 8 positive replies ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2011 #140
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #162
Cancer Support Group dmr Dec 2011 #142
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #163
Host for the 'Democrats' group Tx4obama Dec 2011 #143
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #164
I would like to serve as host for the Arizona group Kali Dec 2011 #144
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #165
American History Group.... Rowdyboy Dec 2011 #166
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #176
Religion Renew Deal Dec 2011 #168
Done. (nt) Skinner Dec 2011 #177
Self delete. No longer interested Number23 Dec 2011 #181
The Wyoming group please. Change has come Dec 2011 #182
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #191
I would like to host New Hampshire. Chemisse Dec 2011 #183
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #192
I would like to host California petronius Dec 2011 #184
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #193
This message was self-deleted by its author kdmorris Dec 2011 #185
I'd like to host North Dakota CatholicEdHead Dec 2011 #186
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #194
I'd like to host Georgia. racaulk Dec 2011 #187
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #195
I've had a couple of posters request that I host in the Liberal Christians group. xmas74 Dec 2011 #188
Give me a link to one of your posts in the group and I'll set you up. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #196
Here's the thread. xmas74 Jan 2012 #199
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #200
I would like to serve as host of the Pets group Stinky The Clown Dec 2011 #189
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #197
I can't think of anything, Skinner, except that maybe I am one of the four!! Evergreen Emerald Dec 2011 #190
I can see you. Skinner Jan 2012 #198
Any thoughts on a Political Cartoons group? Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #201
I'd like to serve as the host of the Feminists group. redqueen Jan 2012 #202
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #203
African-American if there isn't a host yet... Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #204
Give me a link to one of your posts in the group. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #205
link Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #206
Done. (nt) Skinner Jan 2012 #207
Outdoor Life ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #208
Done. (nt) Skinner Feb 2012 #209
Screw it. I'm resubmitting myself as Host of the AA Group Number23 Feb 2012 #210
Blue_Tires is already a host of the AA group. Skinner Feb 2012 #211
I'd like to be the Women's Rights and Issues host. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #212
Done. (nt) Skinner Feb 2012 #213
I DONT NO ELKODCH Feb 2012 #214
Can I be on Mirt again???? firgive the primitive typing----mobile until new laptop msanthrope Feb 2012 #215
This message was self-deleted by its author Pavlo Feb 2012 #216
I'd like to be host of the non-fiction group. Neoma Jul 2012 #217
Uhm, I'd still like to be host of the non-fiction group. Neoma Aug 2012 #218
Done. (nt) Skinner Aug 2012 #220
I'd help with the PC Gaming group Aerows Aug 2012 #219
You need to ask one of the Hosts of that group to set you up. Skinner Aug 2012 #221

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
1. I would like to apply to be a host in the fiction group.
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 01:22 AM
Dec 2011

Last edited Sun Dec 11, 2011, 03:33 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/119388

Thank You, LS


edited to add the following

Here is where I asked the group:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1193107

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
18. Laugh while ya can. At the rate the stock is tanking..............
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 08:31 AM
Dec 2011

And yes, I am a frequent visitor to that group.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
65. I was a little confused by the thread.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 12:29 PM
Dec 2011

Based on the discussion, I made Broken_Hero the host. Was that the correct thing to do?

He can assign you as a host.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
110. oh yes, that is fine. I did not know that he had already volunteered. Thanks, Skinner.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 03:19 PM
Dec 2011

The Home Page is taking shape! Looking good

Response to Skinner (Original post)

midnight

(26,624 posts)
8. I received a notice that I was being contacted for the Utah group...
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 01:44 AM
Dec 2011

This is fine by me, but I'm not a regular visitor to that site. I know your extremely busy, and I hate to bother you, but I'm not sure how to verify this request. Thanks...

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
9. I have recieved "unanimous conset" for...
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 01:56 AM
Dec 2011

the hosting of the following groups:

Democracy for America (it's been dead on DU2 for a year): http://www.democraticunderground.com/11059
Hawaii (I know just about every Hawaii DUer): http://www.democraticunderground.com/104716

Mahalo,

Skinner

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
13. Fiction: Books
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 02:34 AM
Dec 2011

Don't know if we really need a host. We don't throw anybody out if they post about non-fiction, movies, tv programs, whatever, so long as it's within a mile of a book...

There are so many people who are qualified and are post regularly - maybe they can either suggest someone or suggest no one. No one has been doing an excellent job.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
14. Socialist Progressives
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 02:40 AM
Dec 2011

Last edited Sun Dec 11, 2011, 12:49 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/102479#post7

I'm in the process of asking, but didn't want to lose the location of this thread.

edit to update: It looks like I have a quorum, and would like to be the host of Socialist Progressives, please. Thank you for the opportunity to apply! And thank you to everyone who supported me.

Response to Skinner (Original post)

William769

(55,147 posts)
19. Skinner, this is the consensus of the regular active members of The LGBT group.
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 10:02 AM
Dec 2011

Last edited Sun Dec 11, 2011, 09:02 PM - Edit history (2)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1137428

I asked to be the main host with other hosts to help. Everyone is in agreemnent.

Thanks for your time in this matter.
William 769

EDIT: to add this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/1137519

Also Please read through both threads. I would still like the position but if you deem someone other more worthy, i'm also fine with that.
 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
35. William should be disqualified for two reasons.
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 09:27 PM
Dec 2011

(1) Hateful rubbing of Vanje's nose in the fact that the poster who committed a personal attack on here in DU2 was allowed back into the forum and

(2) Hiding the thread pointing that fact out from the new LGBT forum.

This man in unfit to serve as host in LGBT. Period. He does NOT operate with "consensus" and there are some of us who disagree strongly with him being given such a position.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
54. Skinner, we're working on getting through complications and come up with a concensus on a host.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 04:26 AM
Dec 2011

It's going to take a little time with the hurt feelings still around in the LGBT group.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
71. Understood.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 12:47 PM
Dec 2011

While it looks pretty painful, I think this might be good for everyone to hash this out. The DU3 system is supposed to be resilient enough to permit these discussions to occur, while dealing with the most toxic comments. Good luck, and let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
108. Update:
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:59 PM
Dec 2011

We are conducting a ballot vote currently. I set up the thread and added all the nominees that have been made... People seem to be responding well enough. The voting closes at 1:16pm EST Wednesday. If there is a tie there will be an immediate 24 hr run off, on a thread I will also create.

Is it possible to pin the ballot thread to the top of the LGBT forum for the time being so that we can get as many people to vote as possible?

If yes, this is the thread... http://www.democraticunderground.com/1137720

Thanks for your help and sorry about all the complications!
-F

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
77. Done. BTW: I lived in Parkersburg for one year when I was a kid.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 12:51 PM
Dec 2011

I was only 4 at the time, so I don't really remember much. But I do have a West Virginia connection.

TBF

(32,060 posts)
27. Travel Group
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 02:41 PM
Dec 2011

Non-controversial group, would like to take ownership and grow the group (will be appointing cbayer as co-host to help). thanks!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/121627

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
123. Can I ask if you followed the argument thread about the E&E hosts?
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 09:45 AM
Dec 2011

It seems to have cut off the argument (and it was an argument, not just a discussion) a bit prematurely, to me. No-one had said "everyone vote now", for instance, or "voting will close at XXXX EST".

Links:
Argument thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/112774

Thread expressing doubt that consensus had been found (also locked): http://www.democraticunderground.com/1127444

and, inevitably, thread annoyed at the latest lock (also locked): http://www.democraticunderground.com/1127529

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
145. I didn't. I'm going on the honor system here.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 09:34 PM
Dec 2011

If you all want me to do something else, just tell me what to do.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
169. It seems evident that the honor system was abused
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:41 PM
Dec 2011

There was a discussion underway where the emerging consensus certainly looked to be no host.
Knowing that, one participant in that discussion posted the request to be host to you, deliberately not linking to the discussion thread.

I think to any fair minded person that is evidence of an approach to ethics that disqualifies the person from serving in that capacity.

EE is different from most other groups in two important ways;
1) there is an active global "war" between the present fossil/nuclear based system and the use of renewable sources,
2) the content of the postings is largely based on independently verifiable information far more than opinion.

What that *means* is a matter of opinion, but your approach to selecting a host will determine whether the group is a prolific source of misinformation, an unreadable pit where frustrated propagandists dedicate themselves to disruption, or a platform for meaningful, fact based discussion of some of the most pressing problems ever to face humanity.

The manner in which you choose the host will determine that path IMO.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
172. Do we have your dispensation to open it back up for discussion within the group.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:40 PM
Dec 2011

It is being treated as done deal there.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
175. A disingenuous whiny post on your part.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:44 PM
Dec 2011

I was the first person to say that I didn't think that E/E should have a host (but that I thought Xemasab would be a fine choice should we need one). At this point you should wait until there's actually a few host decisions worthy of concern before you try to waste admin time.

You're suffering from a serious case of projection. It was clear from the beginning that you very desperately wanted to be the host and not so that we would "all start getting along", but so that you could block posts from anyone who disagreed with you. You have a long history of labeling any such posts/threads as "disruption" (and you make that prejudice clear again in this thread). You really don't want the debate (and this latest segregation proposal makes that clear). You want to control the discussion.

So, of course, you fear that anyone on the other side of the debate would do the same thing to you that you have planned for them. The problem is that there isn't any evidence that it's true.

I cannot see how the same people that have attempted so vociferously to silence nuclear critics could be expected to do anything other than act true to their nature.

Obviously you can't. What you also apparently "can't" do is wait for actual evidence that this is occuring... when a thread like this would be meaningful. It doesn't appear that a group host will have any eternal super powers. If they block multiple threads that are clearly E/E related (and don't otherwise violate DU rules)... or if they ban regular posters who aren't vulgar (etc) but merely disagree with them... this will be clear enough and easy to appeal. And from what I can see, Xemasab quickly expanded the list well beyond any group that can reasonably be called "pro-nuclear".

xemasab has attempted lately to portray herself as pro-renewables, however her historical position is one that is *extremely* critical of both wind and solar - the backbone of a renewable system.

You've been making this error from the beginning. Thinking that the host has to have the "right" position on a given issue... so that contrary positions don't get too much weight in the discussion. That isn't the role of a host.

And while we're at it, you continually (falsely) claim that anyone who is pro-nuclear is necessarily anti-renewables. This is demonstrably false. As is your claim in your note to Skinner that there's a global war between fossil/nuclear and renewables. Thus your #1 directly contradicts your #2.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
178. I'm happy with our hosts.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:28 PM
Dec 2011

I counted the votes and the Host you chose got most of them (I can link you to the data). I do not believe it should've been allowed to go on for long as most of the participants are E&E regulars, and votes from others elsewhere on DU would not represent the primary posters in that forum, which is why I am fine that the Host was chosen before some "set period" of voting was done.

The Hosts are doing a very good job, as there are more anti-nuclear Hosts than pro-nuclear Hosts, and none of them are hardliners or known disruptors.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
179. "others elsewhere on DU would not represent the primary posters in that forum
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:47 PM
Dec 2011

You wrote, "...I do not believe it should've been allowed to go on for long as most of the participants are E&E regulars, and votes from others elsewhere on DU would not represent the primary posters in that forum, which is why I am fine that the Host was chosen before some "set period" of voting was done."

That is one of my central points. Those who oppose nuclear power are inclined to avoid EE because of the abuse from nuclear supporters that goes along with posting there. The only reason I've persevered is the fact that I've been doing research on the methods used by the nuclear industry to promote their product to an unsuspecting public.

So when you point to the hand you've helped deal from a deck you helped stack, it is a less than persuasive argument.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
29. When will you be granting host rights to the groups that have decided who they want?
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 06:22 PM
Dec 2011

Some pinning is necessary for the group agreements on group process, defintions.

CC

(8,039 posts)
31. I would like to be host of the Photgrpaphy Group.
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 07:46 PM
Dec 2011
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1036192


Oh and to be difficult. When we run the photo contest we usually have the submission thread locked at 30 photos or the date/time given to end them. We can keep looking for someone to lock them like we did on DU2 or if it is easier let hosts lock them if it is alright with the Admins. I'm good and thinking the group is good with whatever you decide. Just being able to pin the thread will help lots with people finding where to add entries.


AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
32. I think there is maybe a need for
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 07:57 PM
Dec 2011

An Asian Cultural and News group. I might be willing to host it.. the thing is I am wondering if there might be an interest in this. I am not even sure how many of us are on DU. But.. I run a large group on another website, with over 7600 members. I think if might be fun, and great to have an Asian group under the topic of Race and Ethnicity.

Thank you! Arigatou gozaimasu!


Kimiko ~yori.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
83. I'm happy to set one up.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 12:55 PM
Dec 2011

If you can round up 10 people interested in joining, let me know and I'll set it up.

(In case there is any confusion, you have my permission to post in the General Discussion forum to gauge interest. Just include a little note in your post indicating that Admin said it was okay.)

Broken_Hero

(59,305 posts)
48. I would like to be a host
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 11:21 PM
Dec 2011

of Native American Group, Comics, and Gun Control and RKBA

eta:also I could do the Missouri state forum.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
88. I think I already set you up in the Native American group.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 12:59 PM
Dec 2011

Could you give me a link to a post in the Missouri group?

Broken_Hero

(59,305 posts)
114. nah ,its okay
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 07:24 PM
Dec 2011

I'll stick with the NA group for now, there seems to be a lot of people interested so I'll just stay with the NA and let others have some fun.....

Response to Skinner (Original post)

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
50. I would like the Jewish group again.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:49 AM
Dec 2011

Given there are only a few members, and I don't know who, I don't know how to reach a consensus. However, I have participated in the group for a long time and, well, remember this thread: DU group proposal Jewish group?

I don't think there will be a huge need, but one never knows.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
51. I officially apply to be a General Discussion host
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:03 AM
Dec 2011

I love the new site and am not afraid to step up to the plate again. I'd also like GLBT duties.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
90. General Discussion is a Forum.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:01 PM
Dec 2011

Go to that forum and click the "About this Forum" button. Instructions to become a host are in there.

As for the GLBT Group, I believe they are currently discussing who will be their host.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
56. I have been asked to host the Ancient Wisdom and Pagan Spirituality group.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 05:24 AM
Dec 2011

If so granted, I would accept this as an honor.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
62. How do you know a "concesus has been reached"?
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:41 AM
Dec 2011

I posted a notice in Computers, Help, and Support: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1095117 as well as in Web Site, DB, and Developers: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10989 so what do I do now?

mzteris

(16,232 posts)
117. How do OPPOSE
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 09:26 PM
Dec 2011

someone who wants to be a "Host"?

Without doing it in public and causing more hard feelings.

Some of these people "mean" well, but well, really - they just aren't suited. Or they have a particular axe to grind and I'm not entirely sure they can maintain an "open mind". If you know what I mean.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
151. I would argue that the group doesn't need a host.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 09:38 PM
Dec 2011

Or I would throw my support to someone I trust.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
118. I'd like to host the Gungeon
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:52 PM
Dec 2011

Last edited Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:27 PM - Edit history (1)

I wish I could point to a thread that shows some form of solid consensus on this, but the quote about Democrats and herding cats comes to mind.





I can state that the residents of the Gungeon seem relatively happy with the idea of me being a host; however, my attempts to get a process going was something of a failure. I don't know if it's because many DU regulars are still on DU2 or people are ambivalent about the new system or what.

Anyway, my attempts to figure out what we're going to do are chronicled in these threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172109

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172232

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172298



I await your opinion on whether this counts for consensus or not.



On edit:

I started another thread to try to clarify this, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172516

In my opinion, the consensus of the participants can be summarized thus:

• that we need at least one Host;
• that the lead Host should initiate and pin a discussion of Gungeon community standards;
• that the Host(s) should abide by the standards hammered out in the pinned thread;
• that there is general approval and no dissent to me being the lead Host;
• that any future Hosts should be discussed among and approved by the Gungeon community

Thank you.

oxymoron

(4,053 posts)
126. Thanks, Lithos
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:26 AM
Dec 2011

I look forward to seeing you there. I think it will be an interesting group. All flavors of Buddhists are welcome. _/l\_

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
122. I would like to host the Science group.
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:01 AM
Dec 2011
http://www.democraticunderground.com/122833

Science is a pretty quite group, but occasionally someone needs to block the Pseudoscience posts, or at least recommend they be moved to SSP, as they tend to draw a lot of posts from people who don't normally post to Science, or pay much attention to the Statement of Purpose.

Apologies for not posting to this thread earlier; an earlier link just took me to the admins' email addresses.

ESM

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
128. Actually HH That is not the case
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 04:53 PM
Dec 2011

The general clear consensus if for Lucinda to be the "first" host. There are co host spots ....You should be asking her.

I'm not sure why there is confusion here. It's been discussed to death in the kitchen.

housewolf

(7,252 posts)
129. I think it's a stretch to call that a "consensus"
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 05:03 PM
Dec 2011

I stated that I had no reason to say "no" and and then went on to strongly support someone else. Someone who's been a frequent poster and contributor to the group for 2 or more years. Someone we all know and who knows us and the workings of our group.

C&B has been probably THE number one LEAST contentious group in all of DU. Yet all of a sudden you, who didn't even know C&B existed until 2 days ago, show up after contacting Skinner and getting yourself appointed host without the knowledge or consent of anyone in the group, and your first post is "I want to be the host of this forum". Now you come here TODAY asking to be made host again, even though the group has selected someone else YESTERDAY.

Frankly, I don't understand your actions. I understand that you are hosting/co-hosting some other groups. Wouldn't you like to spend some time in C&B, get to know us and figure out how the group works and decide whether you even like us or not before committing to host? And whether you have the time to host/co-host multiple forums/groups? So far, the only discussion you've participated in at C&B has been about you yourself, nothing that's cooking or baking-related.

Please explain.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
138. I've tried in other posts, but again, I didn't realize there was a preferred member already...
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:12 AM
Dec 2011

...and just wanted to be A host - not necessarily the LEAD host. When I saw that Lucinda had applied, I gave my vote for lead host to Lucinda. Apparently she is the "obvious" choice for the group and I'm not going to argue with that. Co hosting is fine by me.

As for the posts "about me", that was simply to introduce myself and supply credentials for wanting to be a host. If all I knew how to do was grill hot dogs, that wouldn't really qualify me now would it? There's no malicious intent. I think this is a great group and one of the more valuable "go to" spots for when you screw up - things like "I'm out of baking powder, what do I do?" - "use baking soda with cream of tarter".

housewolf

(7,252 posts)
141. Thanks for your reply
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 06:26 PM
Dec 2011

I still don't understand why you wanted to host C&B when you're already hosting a bunch of other groups and you've never visited C&B before, had no idea what we're doing there, don't know any of us and don't know whether you'll like it there or not, Frankly, it rather felt to me as though an intruder had come in and was trying to bully his way into taking over. So be it. I saw that you decided to not compete with the group's choice and I applaud you for that.

Peace, brother!

I hope you have fun in C&B. It seems you have a lot of knowledge and experience and much to contribute. I look forward to your participation.


kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
131. I believe that the general consensus is actually for Lucinda to do it.
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 07:42 PM
Dec 2011

She can add you as a host after Skinner makes her the host of the group, if that is her wish.

Edited to add the link to the consensus for Lucinda:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1157635

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
137. Upon closer reads, I agree - the concensus is for Lucinda (and I threw my weight behind her too).
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:05 AM
Dec 2011

I'd just like to be A host.

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
133. Ancestry and Genealogy - I would like to serve as host
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 06:39 AM
Dec 2011

We feel we need a host to allow someone to pin posts. The nature of doing Genealogy means that there is tons of information in links and other sources of information (addresses, etc).

Here is the link to the post. Not a whole lot of people have responded yet, but those that have have been yes votes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/115657

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
134. Regarding the request for the Asian Group
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 08:34 AM
Dec 2011

Skinner ~sama:
We have over ten people now who would be interested in an Asian Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10029798


Doumo arigatou gozaimasu!

Kimiko yori.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
140. Posted a notice to the Science Group and got 8 positive replies ...
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 05:01 PM
Dec 2011

also, n2doc replied in that thread that he is not interested, for reasons of time constraints.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/122833

One negative vote, later rescinded, 125 views.

Kali

(55,008 posts)
144. I would like to serve as host for the Arizona group
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 04:50 PM
Dec 2011

here is the thread discussing the matter, as per your instructions

http://www.democraticunderground.com/103832

oh and my star should be good for at least the next year

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
166. American History Group....
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:56 AM
Dec 2011

Apparently the group has lost its collective mind and wants me to be its host. Since I'm not very smart I agreed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/116373

Response to Skinner (Original post)

racaulk

(11,550 posts)
187. I'd like to host Georgia.
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:38 AM
Dec 2011

Our state forum doesn't appear to be as active as others, so take this thread for what you will. There are no objections, at least.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/104614

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
188. I've had a couple of posters request that I host in the Liberal Christians group.
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 08:10 PM
Dec 2011
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1222

I'm already a host in the Missouri group. I'll host the group if it's ok with you, otherwise they will probably need someone over there soon. It's an area that can become heated at times.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
199. Here's the thread.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:20 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/122290#post5

Initially someone else stated they'd cohost but no one heard back from them. I said I'd host if needed, since my other group isn't busy right now. Critters2 stated they'd appreciate it if I did so and regnaD kciN stated they'd cohost if I hosted, which I agree.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
190. I can't think of anything, Skinner, except that maybe I am one of the four!!
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 10:26 AM
Dec 2011

No group host response, no Oily Bubbles thread response (ripe for duzy comments), no Hillary Clinton for President thread...alas..my mind is focused on only one thing. I must know. Am I one of the four? Skinner can you see me?

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
198. I can see you.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jan 2012

As far as I can tell, this is your first post in this thread. What group do you want to host?

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
201. Any thoughts on a Political Cartoons group?
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 05:40 PM
Jan 2012

These may fit in a few of the forums, but do get buried quite quickly.

n2doc's feedback thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/124021736

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
202. I'd like to serve as the host of the Feminists group.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:45 AM
Jan 2012

After we in the forum had spent a while discussing the issue, I put up this thread declaring my intent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11391020

Number23

(24,544 posts)
210. Screw it. I'm resubmitting myself as Host of the AA Group
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 08:04 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1187

Seeing the drama in the other forums and knowing that we keep getting repeat racist trolls has made me rethink my decision that our group doesn't need hosts.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
212. I'd like to be the Women's Rights and Issues host.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 03:59 AM
Feb 2012

See here for the discussion in the group:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1138190
and the earlier discussion on whether we even wanted a host here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1138151

Please note: I had sent you a PM on this same topic because I had forgotten about this thread. Ignore the PM!

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
215. Can I be on Mirt again???? firgive the primitive typing----mobile until new laptop
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 08:40 PM
Feb 2012

Is delivered this weekend.

Response to Skinner (Original post)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
219. I'd help with the PC Gaming group
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:30 PM
Aug 2012

With such awesome games as Guild Wars 2 looming on the horizon, and other greats on the way, I'm sure that it can use the help . I'm already a member.

Link to a post in the group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12111129#op

Oh, and I made us a vent channel, too - I made it when we were all playing Diablo 3. It's only a 15 person at a time subscription, but it's very cheap so I've kept it up. Hoping to really use it for GW2

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