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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:06 AM Feb 2015

Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore orders judges (Sunday night) not to issue same-sex marriage licenses

Source: AL.com

Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore late Sunday ordered all probate judges and employees in Alabama to follow existing state law and not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples or recognize same-sex marriages.

Couples across the state are preparing to wed Monday morning, when a stay on same-sex marriages is set to be lifted.

On Jan. 23, U.S. District Judge Callie V.S. "Ginny" Granade ruled the state's constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and recognition of same-sex marriages entered in other states was unconstitutional. She issued a stay, putting her ruling on hold until Feb. 9.

... In his order issued Sunday night, Moore wrote that if any probate judge defies the order, Governor Robert Bentley would have the responsibility of ensuring that state law is "faithfully executed."

Read more: http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/alabama_chief_justice_roy_moor_4.html

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Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore orders judges (Sunday night) not to issue same-sex marriage licenses (Original Post) Newsjock Feb 2015 OP
Hello, lawsuits! shenmue Feb 2015 #1
That disgusting human being has been reversed many many times. android fan Feb 2015 #2
Alabama Chief Justice is going against what US District Judge said? Here's a good quote uppityperson Feb 2015 #3
Well, shit, why not? We have what's now become a grand tradition of flouting laws. calimary Feb 2015 #31
Is he so Chief that he outranks the SCOTUS..... Historic NY Feb 2015 #4
Piss ants get out and vote in Alabama Cryptoad Feb 2015 #19
He's a bitter bigot. herding cats Feb 2015 #5
It wouldn't hurt my feelings House of Roberts Feb 2015 #6
He has to know he will probably be removed from office for this if they find he violated the law so cstanleytech Feb 2015 #7
Again? Archae Feb 2015 #12
Send in the federal marshals. OldRedneck Feb 2015 #8
Can anyone say National Guard? William769 Feb 2015 #9
It's ugly, but the fact is that laws concerning who can marry whom have traditionally JDPriestly Feb 2015 #10
This asshole is just FUCK'N nutso. SoapBox Feb 2015 #11
Can we "faithfully execute" Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore? jmowreader Feb 2015 #13
...run his law license through a paper shredder... TexasTowelie Feb 2015 #17
this guy should've been impeached 10 years ago for introducing theocracy in his state. alp227 Feb 2015 #14
He WAS impeached ten years ago for doing that jmowreader Feb 2015 #33
Dont blame me, I voted for the other guy Telcontar Feb 2015 #34
Is a chief justice also the top Bar official in the state? PSPS Feb 2015 #15
He does not have that power treestar Feb 2015 #16
Christian reconstructionism/Christian dominionism blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #18
This has been done before and it didn't stop the world from changing Botany Feb 2015 #20
Stand in the Schoolhouse Door mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 #21
And just like standing in the door didn't work .... Botany Feb 2015 #22
Remember this? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #23
Roy Moore standing in the courthouse door: Where have we seen this before? Opinion (al.com) eppur_se_muova Feb 2015 #24
How's that workin' out for ya' Roy Boy? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #25
is there any evidence that his "order" is being obeyed? bluestateguy Feb 2015 #26
If he violates the SC ruling can he be impeached? still_one Feb 2015 #27
. d_r Feb 2015 #28
Chaos reigns in Alabama as same-sex couples seek marriage licenses mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 #29
Jail to the Chief. hifiguy Feb 2015 #30
Hey Roy... czarjak Feb 2015 #32
Glad to see Bently isnt going to go all Wallace Telcontar Feb 2015 #35
 

android fan

(214 posts)
2. That disgusting human being has been reversed many many times.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:18 AM
Feb 2015

Feds should have arrested him for impersonating a judge.

Because he ain't one if he doesn't follow the law.

uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
3. Alabama Chief Justice is going against what US District Judge said? Here's a good quote
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:20 AM
Feb 2015
"I think it's absolutely stunning that our state's highest jurists would just advocate for ignoring a federal court order. Judge Granade's order is law of the land. It's not up for debate," attorney David Kennedy said. "It's alarming."

calimary

(81,454 posts)
31. Well, shit, why not? We have what's now become a grand tradition of flouting laws.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:38 PM
Feb 2015

Settled laws. Look how the Civil Rights Act is being defied, ignored, and whittled away. Look how Roe v Wade now looks like an old coat that generations of moths got to.

It's just this idiotic and utterly childish mood toward which our country seems to have devolved - NOBODY tells ME what to do!!!! We see it in the gun nuts who insist that they have a right to parade their damn massacre machines in your face at the local fast-food joint. We see it in the so-called "sovereign citizen" crap. "Nobody tells you what to do?" Then what you want is NOT a democracy, and certainly not the United States of America. What you want is TOTAL ANARCHY!!!

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
4. Is he so Chief that he outranks the SCOTUS.....
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:23 AM
Feb 2015

isn't it time to take him down again...???? Why do you let these piss ants keep in control.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
5. He's a bitter bigot.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:25 AM
Feb 2015

You can read the full order here: https://nebula.wsimg.com/58cbbdb94a2f6c1530c47b7e34721c2b?AccessKeyId=B7B737C02AE843720C0D&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

His argument is he's empowered to block anything which could "bring chaos and confusion into the system."

Yeah, like the chaos and confusion of all people having an equal right to the benefits of a legal marriage? What a raging bigot!

House of Roberts

(5,182 posts)
6. It wouldn't hurt my feelings
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:28 AM
Feb 2015

if Federal Marshals locked them all up, including Governor Bentley. I had low hopes for Bentley, and he failed to even meet them.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
7. He has to know he will probably be removed from office for this if they find he violated the law so
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:31 AM
Feb 2015

I am wondering if he is doing it on purpose for political gain since its almost sure to get his name out there especially if hes looking to run for a higher elected office once he is no longer a judge.

Archae

(46,345 posts)
12. Again?
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:30 AM
Feb 2015

Remember him and that ugly rock he hide to sneak into the Alabama Court House literally in the middle of the night?

William769

(55,147 posts)
9. Can anyone say National Guard?
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:55 AM
Feb 2015

Take that asshole out of the Court building kicking & screaming, but take him out.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. It's ugly, but the fact is that laws concerning who can marry whom have traditionally
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:14 AM
Feb 2015

been a matter for the states. If of course denying people the right to marry based simply on gender is found to be discriminatory or for some other reason in violation of our US Constitution, the Supreme Court will let us know.

This tradition that states decide on same-sex marriage is, in my opinion, wrong, because I do believe that the rights that accrue when we marry should not be denied to us based on our gender or the gender of the person we marry.

After all the rights that those of us who are married enjoy such as income tax deductions, visitation with our spouse in many situations, etc. should not be denied based on our gender. And denying same-sex couples the right to marry is in my view gender discrimination.

There is utterly no reason for denying same-sex couples the right to marry other than tradition and certain religious beliefs which are not shared by all religions. Unitarians joyfully celebrate the marriages of same-sex couples. There used to be a big sign outside my Unitarian church advising all that we celebrate same-sex marriages. Other religions do not have to celebrate if they don't want to. We have freedom of religion, and same-sex couples should not be barred from civil marriage or marriage in a religious faith that celebrates their relationship if that is what they want.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
13. Can we "faithfully execute" Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore?
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:48 AM
Feb 2015

I figure running his law license through a paper shredder would work as well as anything. Something has to be done to stop this Constitution-hating excuse for a human being, and disbarment MIGHT work for a couple days...you know, long enough for him to buy a couple new suits, get a facial and a $250 haircut, and map out the route from Montgomery to the Fox News studios.

TexasTowelie

(112,400 posts)
17. ...run his law license through a paper shredder...
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 06:07 AM
Feb 2015

and leave a good box of Cracker Jacks behind? That compounds the travesties.

alp227

(32,048 posts)
14. this guy should've been impeached 10 years ago for introducing theocracy in his state.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 02:51 AM
Feb 2015

He's living proof that Lincoln should've let the South secede.

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
34. Dont blame me, I voted for the other guy
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 08:25 PM
Feb 2015

No idea who it was, but if he's running against Roy, he's got my vote!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. He does not have that power
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 05:19 AM
Feb 2015

Just because he is CJ of the State SC does not give him power to direct lower court judges or anyone in the government with direct orders. He can only decide cases that come before him.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
21. Stand in the Schoolhouse Door
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:56 AM
Feb 2015
Stand in the Schoolhouse Door

The person with his arms crossed is Deputy U.S. Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach.

Here's another view:



Alabama Governor George Wallace (in front of door) standing defiantly against desegregation while being confronted by Deputy U.S. Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach (standing opposite Wallace) at the University of Alabama. By Warren K. Leffler, U.S. News & World Report Magazine

eppur_se_muova

(36,287 posts)
24. Roy Moore standing in the courthouse door: Where have we seen this before? Opinion (al.com)
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:12 PM
Feb 2015

Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore has ordered probate judges throughout the state to deny same-sex couples marriage licenses despite a federal court's decision.

So, there's only one question left.

Is it whether gay marriage will happen in Alabama?

Please. Already, almost three quarters of the people in this country live in states where same-sex marriage is legal already. Do you think Alabama is going to suddenly change the minds of federal judges, including the United States Supreme Court which has already all but waved a rainbow-checkered flag at the finish line? If the high court didn't intervene with Florida, it won't for Alabama. Don't be ridiculous.

Can the state say to hell with the federal government and do its own thing?

See: Civil War.

And: Civil Rights Movement.

And also: Pretty Much Every Federal Court Action against Alabama in 150 years.
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more: http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/02/roy_moore_standing_in_the_cour.html#incart_river

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
25. How's that workin' out for ya' Roy Boy?
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:38 PM
Feb 2015

What a sad way for a chief justice to decline, with few listening to his drooling missives as he slowly descends into obscurity, archaic prejudice and dementia.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
29. Chaos reigns in Alabama as same-sex couples seek marriage licenses
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:29 PM
Feb 2015
Chaos reigns in Alabama as same-sex couples seek marriage licenses

By Amy Yurkanin
ayurkanin@al.com
https://twitter.com/AmyKingsley4
February 09, 2015 at 10:07 AM, updated February 09, 2015 at 11:10 AM

A Sunday night order from Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore ordering probate judges not to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples caused confusion at county courthouses this morning.

Probate judges in several counties decided not to issue any marriage licenses at all - to same-sex or heterosexual couples. In some counties, including Butler County, Colbert County and Coosa County probate courts are taking marriage applications from all couples but not issuing licenses.

Officials at Mobile County Probate Court turned away all couples seeking marriage licenses this morning. The couple that sued to overturn the state's ban on same-sex marriage lives in Mobile County, and their attorneys were drafting a motion to compel the court to comply with the federal court ruling, according to Al.com.

In Coffee County, Jefferson County, Etowah County, Chilton County and Madison County, probate judges said they will issue marriage licenses to all couples, gay and straight, on Monday morning.



Couples lined up bright and early Monday outside the probate judge office at the Madison County Courthouse to get their marriage license after the hold on same-sex marriage was denied last week, giving same-sex couples the right to marry in the state of Alabama. (Sarah Cole/scole@al.com) (Sarah Cole)
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
30. Jail to the Chief.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:37 PM
Feb 2015

You can NOT simply ignore the ruling of a federal judge on a constitutional question decided under the US Constitution.

What a colossal, four-door brass-plated asshole.

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
35. Glad to see Bently isnt going to go all Wallace
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 08:33 PM
Feb 2015

Moore said the governor would sanction any probate judge that issues a license. Gov said hell no, I'm taking no action. Next week will be interesting

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