Texas woman is shot to death 3 hours after filing second harassment complaint with police
Source: Raw Story
Texas woman is shot to death 3 hours after filing second harassment complaint with police
David Edwards
19 Feb 2015 at 10:36 ET
Police said that a Texas man fatally shot his girlfriend and then turned the gun on himself just three hours after she filed a harassment complaint against him. According to Houston police, the victim was working at the Greenbriar Apartments leasing office on Wednesday afternoon when her ex-boyfriend came onto the property, prompting witnesses to call 911. But before officers arrived, there were reports of two gun shots.
There were some witnesses who ran for their lives, Houston Police Department homicide investigator Robert Klementich told KTRK.
When EMS workers located the woman in the clubhouse, she was already dead from a gunshot wound. The suspect had also suffered a single gunshot, but he was still alive.
The suspect was transported to Ben Taub General Hospital, and was expected to die. Security video reportedly showed the man gunning down his girlfriend, and then shooting himself.
KTRK reported that the victim had filed a harassment complaint with police just three hours before she was murdered. The suspect had called the victim 140 times in one day, police said.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/texas-woman-is-shot-to-death-3-hours-after-filing-second-harassment-complaint-with-police/
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
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BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)How sad that every day, a woman fears for her life or is killed or beaten and there's not a damn thing law enforcement does to protect her. WHY NOT?????
heaven05
(18,124 posts)my sister was killed in a similar 'incident', and her murderer killed himself.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Part of my moving out of state had to do with his behavior. He amped up again around the time I got married.
Is it bad that I was relieved when he killed himself last July?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)It's rarely good to be in the focus of someone who is suicidal.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I had a stalker who tried to kill me twice. He's leaving me the hell alone right now, probably because he found somebody else to fixate on, but who knows if he'll get a wild hair later? Anyhow, the day that sorry sack of shit does the world a favor and eats a bullet I'll dance a fucking jig.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)it's called blessed closure concerning an asshole that finally realized what a POS he was. Good riddance.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)But with someone who was NOT my boyfriend eveeeer - that 140 calls in a day is chilling. Their wires get crossed and horrific things happen. That poor woman.
Sweet Freedom
(3,995 posts)What the answer is, I don't know, but when there's evidence of obsessive stalking behavior, there should be some type of mandatory anger management, ankle monitoring or at least something other than lets just wait for him to kill her.
valerief
(53,235 posts)single firearm gets confiscated from any ammosexual who wants one.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Praise the lord gun and all of his sycophant sheep.
In guns name...
Amen.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)harassed 24x7 by a registered sex offender and his gang of thugs in Massachusetts. The police told me I had to get out of town because they couldn't protect me.
Moved to Maine, went back to school for med lab tech, got a per diem job, and 3 months after I started a brain damaged alcoholic janitor decided I was going to date him and I spent a year being stalked at the hospital before he was fired.
I've lost the bulk of my life savings thanks to the first dirtbag piece of shit, and any chance at replacement career thanks to the second one. But at least I'm still alive.
I honestly don't know what a woman can do when some piece of shit decides to ruin her life. The police can't protect you. In my 1st situation, the condo manager destroyed physical evidence. In my 2nd situation, multiple lab assistants actually encouraged the dirtbag and fed him information about me
I'm thinking if there is a 3rd time, I will arm myself and blow the guy's nuts off if I can find them. I figure my life will be over anyway, so may as well take the scum out so he can't destroy anybody else's life.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)you're on your own.
brer cat
(24,567 posts)It is really outrageous that women cannot be protected in these situations.
ileus
(15,396 posts)but instead she expected "protection" in a piece of paper issued from a 9-5 court staff.
Paladin
(28,262 posts)Your smug pro-gun propaganda is out of place on this thread.
christx30
(6,241 posts)it's up to you to help yourself. I don't see how that's such a bad thing to say. The police are not responsible for helping you. They can watch someone gun you down, and all they are required to do is arrest the gunman and see him prosecuted. They don't actually have to help you at all. They are not there to 'protect and serve' you. There are there to protect and serve the community.
Most of the time, you are on your own.
Paladin
(28,262 posts)It never gets any more convincing. Take it back down to the Gungeon, where it's appreciated.
christx30
(6,241 posts)under this kind of stalker threat protect themselves if the police won't do it? Harsh language?
Paladin
(28,262 posts)It goes like this: If a person is threatened, and fails to arm up like your side suggests, they deserve whatever happens to them.
The gun militancy movement could care less about the victims of violence, other than the fear they engender. All they're interested in is turning this country into one big armed camp.
christx30
(6,241 posts)My point is that there are some terrible people out there, you can't rely on the police to protect you. They don't have to care. In those circumstances, having a weapon of you own couldn't possibly make things worse. Could have given this woman a chance at saving her own life.
Unless you are saying that things worked out as they should have. Personally, I'd love to see the police take a more active role in protecting people. Stronger stalker laws. Background checks to get weapons. Because as far as the police are concerned, until he pulled that trigger, he hadn't commited a crime, and there was nothing legally they could do.
Solve your own problems. Don't trust the police. They will fail you every time.
Paladin
(28,262 posts)And there you have it: You're shifting primary responsibility for violent attacks from the predators to the victims. If the victims can't take a few shots at the attackers (while the police are doing nothing more than eating donuts and waiting for their pensions), fuck 'em. Like I said, I've heard it all before.
christx30
(6,241 posts)to protect you is you. Yes, it would sure be nice if the asshole didn't stalk her. Sure, it would be great if the police could be relied upon to swoop in like Batman and leave him dangling from a light pole, begging to be arrested. But none of that is going to happen. You and I and everyone else is pretty much on their own. You don't like it? Get the law changed. I'd love to see that happen. Get background checks for guns that are like a colonoscopy of your life. Make it a capital offense to circumvent these laws to get access to a gun. Anyone that is accused of stalking gets a hearing within 14 days to determine their gun rights. An order of protection is enforced by the courts under pain of jail for the police that don't take it seriously.
Paladin
(28,262 posts)There isn't even any meaningful dialog about gun control any more, much less some actual efforts toward same. We've basically descended into just the sort of Law Of The Jungle society that the gun lovers have always dreamed of---pull up photos of the Cliven Bundy "militia" and then tell me I'm wrong about this. It'll take thousands more gun-related deaths, and a big-time political assassination or two, before a little sanity is established. Meantime, we might as well enjoy ourselves, right? Let's go see "American Sniper" for the 13th time and then buy some more ammo!
christx30
(6,241 posts)More focus on mental health should be job one. I can't tell you how many mentally ill people I see on the bus all the time. Some of them are extreamly scary.
(quick story: Was riding one day with my wife and two kids. Bus was on a layover for 15 minutes, empty except for the 4 of us, and 1 guy. He stood up, with some kind of wooden staff, like a hiking stick, in his hand. Started making gestures with the staff like he was fighting with it, knealt, bowed his head, stood up, made a few more gestures, stood up and screamed "ARE YOU WITH ME!!!" at an invisible crowd. I put wife and kids in the corner farthest from him and got myself between him and them.)
Second, guns should be restricted in a meaningful way. There is no way to 100% get rid of them. There are simply too many out there, and the people you have to worry about are the ones that don't have enough respect or fear of the law to comply with them anyway. And until they commit a crime and are known to be in posession of a weapon, no one can really do anything. That murder may be the first crime they commit, and then it's too late to help their victim. I mean, if I get up to 52 in a 45 zone, and there isn't a cop around, there's no one to stop me from speeding. Under my gun restriction ideas, *I* wouldn't even qualify for a weapon. I was hospitalized for depression when I was a teenager, so history of mental illness. I'm a great person and I would never hurt someone unless they were threatening me or my family. But I wouldn't be allowed to posess a gun. And I'm ok with that, as long as others don't have one either.
Third, change the laws to make police responsible for the lives of the people in their community. If someone comes to you and you don't help them, you are finantially liable to their family, and you lose your job. And people that have protection orders should be able to go to the issuing judge and complain about police inaction, and have the police jailed for contempt.
But even after all of that, a person has to be ready to be the last line of defense of their own life.
CANDO
(2,068 posts)That mother of 4 from the road rage shooting. Had her son bring a gun.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Simplistic people believe in simplistic solutions.
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Our GOP-controlled General Assembly is about to pass a law that will allow anyone served with a restraining order to continue to own, use, carry, and purchase firearms. Because -- well, you know -- all those restraining orders are filed by vindictive women and there's not a word of truth in them.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)People Control, Not Gun Control
This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
Hekate
(90,704 posts)I'm with you.
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Damansarajaya
(625 posts)or "reach for his waist band" or run away when told to lie down.
So, they had no reason to suspect him of anything.