Nemtsov murder: Zaur Dadayev confession 'forced'

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: BBC

Zaur Dadayev, one of two suspects charged with the murder of Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov, confessed under duress, a member of Russia's Human Rights Council says.

Andrei Babushkin, who visited Mr Dadayev on Tuesday, says he saw "numerous wounds" on his body, suggesting he had been tortured.

The suspect said he only confessed so a friend arrested with him would be freed, Mr Babushkin said.
...
He said he planned to tell a court hearing on Sunday why he had confessed but was never given a chance to speak.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31829723

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Gosh, I'm totally shocked. nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

2. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

That said, I'm convinced Nemtsov was definitely murder at the steps of the Kremlin by some random Chechen for no apparent reason. Definitely.

[heaven05]

3. of course

hope he still has all his appendages and sanity......

[NuclearDem]

4. Golly!

[davidpdx]

5. The guy will be disappeared

Putin doesn't want any lose ends.

[jakeXT]

6. At least nobody killed him in his kitchen.. (Chechens have a hard life )

Todashev Family to Sue FBI Over Son’s Death

The family of Ibragim Todashev, the 27-year-old friend of Tamerlan Tsarnaev who was shot and killed by FBI agents in his Orlando apartment in May 2013, is suing the FBI for $30 million, The Boston Globe reports.

With the help of the Florida chapter of The Council on American-Islamic Relations, Todashev’s father, Abdulbaki Todashev, filed a “notice of claim” on Monday, a step in the process toward a civil lawsuit. The lawsuit itself will likely be filed in the spring, according to MSNBC.

Todashev’s father says the FBI harassed his son before the fatal shooting and negligently hired Aaron McFarlane, the agent who fired the shots. During his four years with the Oakland Police Department, McFarlane was involved in several lawsuits, including two police brutality suits, according to the Globe. Todashev’s father says the FBI should not have hired him.

In reports released last March, the Florida state attorney and the civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice ruled that McFarlane acted in self-defense and cleared him of wrongdoing in Todashev’s death. Todashev’s family has contested the reports.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2015/03/02/todashev-family-sue-fbi-over-son-death/Ih5Pe0ZNcvnNv1j1CBCheL/story.html

[Igel]

8. Squirrel!

That is all.

[jakeXT]

9. the left or the right one ?

[SkyDaddy7]

7. I find it very hard to believe...

Putin would actually torture someone into confessing.





I guess to save time I have to put this disclaimer here or I will all of sudden have a bunch of Pro-Putin friends sending me messages...Yes, the above comment before the laughing was 100%

[zeemike]

10. I used to find it hard to believe the US would torture people into confession.

But then I woke up and realized we set a president and now we have no reason at all to condemn others for doing that.
I wonder if they used watter boarding or just the standard torture we used in Abu Grabe and Afghanistan?

[uhnope]

11. bad logic 101

I'm sure the Kremlin come up with better talking point than that.
btw it's "precedent."

[zeemike]

12. What logic would that be?

That if we do it it is OK but if they do it it is a crime?...is that logic or just plain hypocrisy?

[uhnope]

13. "It was done before and therefore it's okay for Russia to do now" + false equivalency

Abu Ghraib was a huge disaster & war crime; to compare it to Russia's everyday use of torture in its justice system, never mind in creating forced confessions for the biggest political assassination in Russia (at least in the last couple months....) is bullshit.

[zeemike]

14. Well I guess you don't understand the difference between hypocrisy and false equivalency.

They are not the same thing.
And so you say that when we torture it is not as bad as when Russia does it...if they did that is, and we don't know that and neither do you...but we DO know that we did it but you can brush that off as a mistake.

But I am open to it, show us your proof that Russia does it every day...proof now not some more propaganda by those who want to re ignite the cold and maybe hot war.
And show us that we have quit doing it...we still have Gitmo still doing it's thing and evidence of enhanced interrogation in Chicago...so the case can be made that we torture every day too.
And that makes us hypocrits...well not me because I see it as wrong no matter who does it...and for any reason.

[uhnope]

15. read it and weep

In Russia, torture is a traditional component of "proof" in justice system: Amnesty International
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017247590

BTW the whole "hypocrisy" whine is so weak. Anybody can point to anything in history or the world and scream "hypocrisy." Gitmo sucks and that doesn't lesson the fact that Russia tortures out confession to cover up the assassinations of Putin's rivals--a fact that doesn't seem to bother you.

[elias49]

16. btw it's "...lessen".

Just trying to help. like you.

[zeemike]

19. And what Russia does does not lesson the FACT that we did and probably still torture people.

And we know that the cops shoot down unarmed men in the streets every day...do the Russian cops do that and if they do does it make us better than them?

What bothers me is this constant demonetization of the "evil empire" while doing evil things ourselves...done to hide our own guilt...and apparently to start up a new cold war to feed the beast of the MIC.
Yep that bothers me a lot.

[uhnope]

20. No one even needs to demonize Russia, Putin is doing a fine job by himself.

if people saying bad things about Putin bothers you so much go start a thread on Gitmo.

But it's still BS, to read news of Russia and get mad at the USA...it's kind of deranged.

The "constant demonization" of Russia is also known as the headlines every day. No one even needs to demonize Russia, Putin is doing a fine job by himself.

[SkyDaddy7]

17. You tyranical dictator LOVERS here on DU...

secretly LOVE George W. Bush for giving you those few years of torture, black sites, rendition, etc., to use to equate America with all the despotic nasty regimes on planet Earth...You guys will be able to use that gift for, what, decades to come, huh?

Have at it.

[zeemike]

18. That is an outrageous thing to say to me.

But I have never alerted on anyone and I would never alert on this...I just brush it off as yet another attempt to intimidate people into not facing reallity...and it is a feeble one at that.

[uhnope]

21. it's simple to prove him wrong. nt

[zeemike]

22. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

That would be him, or you if you want to take up his charg.

[uhnope]

23. oh come off it

you constantly run interference on threads that point out the horror show that Putin is enacting

[zeemike]

24. I constantly give my opinion

And call bullshit when I see it...and if you see that as interference then it is because I think it is bullshit.

And it is bullshit when you make charges of a horror show that you have never seen for yourself but rely on propaganda as your proof. I am not one to be easily led by emotional blackmail and you should know that by now.

And if it smells like bullshit it probably is.

[uhnope]

25. wow. You think basic reports about Putin are "bullshit" and only if I personally go

to Russia can I know anything about what is going on there. Hmmm.
So these are all BS: The anti-gay laws, the assassinations, the "Nashi" Putin Youth organization, the stomping out of democracy, the mafia/crony/police complex that forces honest businessman to either sell their business or go to prison...It's a long list.
& your response is...

[zeemike]

27. My response is.

Physician heal yourself.
And once you have heal this country of it's evils and injustices then you can work on Russia.
But really I would start with the Saudis who do all of those things and lots more...where women are virtually property of men and they behead gay people if they catch them.

But we can't do that can we?...because we don't want war with them we want war with Russia.
There is lots more money to be made if we can install a puppet government in Russia...like we did in Afghanistan, Iraq and many south American countries.

We play a dangerous game and it will not work out as well as you think.

[blm]

26. Shocked I am.

Not at all.

[villager]

28. Well, they could just shoot him in the basement of the Dallas police building...

...and declare everything all wrapped up without a trial!