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Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 07:08 PM Apr 2012

Jimmy Carter warns against war with Iran

Source: Agency France-Presse

CHICAGO — Former US President Jimmy Carter warned against a possible war with Iran Monday as he decried his nation’s involvement in unjust conflicts at a summit of Nobel Peace Prize laureates in Chicago.

Carter, a naval veteran who served as Democratic president from 1977 to 1981, said that while he is “not against conflict when necessary,” the criteria for a just war are often not met.

War is only just when it is a “last resort” after “every other possible peaceful resolution” is exhausted, when all efforts are made to protect civilians, when the purpose of the conflict is to make the situation better, not worse, when society in general agrees it is just and when the level of violence is “proportional to the injury received,” he said.

“That would obviously exclude our recent policy of preemptive war,” Carter said in a keynote address. . .

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/23/jimmy-carter-warns-against-war-with-iran/



Ironic that as chickenhawk Mitt Romney boasts of his wonderful time in France (instead of Vietnam), this Navy veteran warns us against the kind of war Romney would love to start (with other people's kids as fodder).

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Jimmy Carter warns against war with Iran (Original Post) Faygo Kid Apr 2012 OP
Very smart logic by a former President! I hope that the Obama Administration heeds his words. n/t teddy51 Apr 2012 #1
We can have a war with Iran (or anybody else) but only if we bring back the draft tularetom Apr 2012 #2
universal conscription. And might I add without deferments and opt-outs. +1 eom Purveyor Apr 2012 #3
All Republicans have to serve including Romney, Rove and Bush brothers Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #15
Agreed! ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2012 #8
I was actually a draftee tularetom Apr 2012 #10
Same here 90-percent Apr 2012 #21
If politicians' children had to be drafted, would politicians think more deeply when voting for war? alp227 Apr 2012 #11
and romney's five sons go first Tax Man Apr 2012 #14
+1,000!! SunSeeker Apr 2012 #17
Ya think? lib2DaBone Apr 2012 #4
They also want to cut Food Stamps... Amonester Apr 2012 #16
Jimmy Carter could be the most outstanding person alive today hayrow1 Apr 2012 #5
K&R! Yet another reason to love Jimmy Carter! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2012 #6
War is always tempting Domingo Tavella Apr 2012 #7
cc: Sen. Klobuchar Blue Owl Apr 2012 #9
I wish I had seen this article before I emailed her yesterday. dflprincess Apr 2012 #12
President Carter.... unkachuck Apr 2012 #13
OK, Jimmy, but STFU about Romney being a "moderate." SunSeeker Apr 2012 #18
Romeny is and will be whatever it takes to get the votes he needs rl6214 Apr 2012 #19
Romney is a liar; he is not and never will be a moderate. SunSeeker Apr 2012 #20
+1000 For the former Prez. blackspade Apr 2012 #22
K & R! lonestarnot Apr 2012 #23

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. We can have a war with Iran (or anybody else) but only if we bring back the draft
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 07:16 PM
Apr 2012

Our military is tired and depleted after ten years of ego driven wars. We just are unable to provide the staffing for armed forces capable of sustaining yet another war in the mideast with a volunteer army.

So as far as I'm concerned, any politician who shoots his mouth off about a war with Iran is actually talking out of his ass unless he also calls for restoration of universal conscription.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
10. I was actually a draftee
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 09:58 PM
Apr 2012

I was discharged in 1962 after completely wasting 2 years of my life. But I got help paying for my education and I was able to buy a home with no money down through the VA.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
21. Same here
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:14 PM
Apr 2012

Turned 18 in April, 1972. If I had been drafted, I am sure I would no longer be of this earth. I just don't have what it takes for military life or fighting in wars. I'd turn to a sobbing heap of jello. I would have lost my mind if I went to Viet Nam.

Our world leaders contemplate war as casually as changing the drapes in the living room. What monsters we have running this planet!

A real war with Iran would bring back the good old days of daily body counts and all that other misery of the Viet Nam War era. To what end and for what purpose?

-90% Jimmy

alp227

(32,025 posts)
11. If politicians' children had to be drafted, would politicians think more deeply when voting for war?
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 10:01 PM
Apr 2012
 

Tax Man

(104 posts)
14. and romney's five sons go first
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 11:28 PM
Apr 2012

they've 'served in their own way'. fine; now let them serve our way.

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
4. Ya think?
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 07:29 PM
Apr 2012

A country that is broke.. that can't afford roads or schools.. should keep spending $40 BILLION per month in the desert?

Hey.. why not give a few more Billion in foreign aid to Israel and Egypt.. keep them wars going...

 

hayrow1

(198 posts)
5. Jimmy Carter could be the most outstanding person alive today
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 08:28 PM
Apr 2012

Sure hope he lives to be 150 or something near that age.

 

Domingo Tavella

(41 posts)
7. War is always tempting
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 09:19 PM
Apr 2012

unless you have the draft solidly in place. If not, everyone likes it. The war profiteers like it for obvious reasons, the people like it because it makes them feel proud and patriotic, the professional military love it because they get to validate their career choice, and the volunteer soldiers totally love it because it is what they volunteer for and because the public loves them for volunteering! In the age of the Internet, the draft might just be the best antidote against war, which makes its reinstatement very unlikely.

dflprincess

(28,078 posts)
12. I wish I had seen this article before I emailed her yesterday.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 10:06 PM
Apr 2012

Though I don't suppose it would do much good.

I did suggest she be honest enough to change her party affiliation so we would have the chance to find an actual DFLer to run. I've never regretted any vote more than the one I cast for her in 2006. (I did support Ford Bell as long as he was in the endorsement race, sadly he didn't last long - not with both the state and national party machines lined up against him.)

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
13. President Carter....
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 10:39 PM
Apr 2012

....is a brilliant and courageous man....how many of the other former presidents would have the balls to tell the perpetual war-mongers and the mic-establishment to go to hell....none!

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
18. OK, Jimmy, but STFU about Romney being a "moderate."
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:19 PM
Apr 2012

I can't remember if I was watching CNN or MSNBC a few hours ago, but I just saw Carter in an interview saying Romney is a "moderate." Seriously, Jimmy? What exactly is Romney "moderate" about?! Are you trying to get him elected?!

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
20. Romney is a liar; he is not and never will be a moderate.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:38 PM
Apr 2012

We simply cannot let him pivot from his pro-Personhood Amendment, pro-Paul Ryan budget stances. One thing Romney has been consistent on is his support for the 1% at the expense of the 99%. I am disgusted that Carter would call him a moderate, especially since so many people respect Carter's opinion. He might actually get Romney votes with that outrageous line.

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