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Garion_55

(1,915 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 02:58 PM Apr 2015

Suspect Fatally Shot By Officers At End OF Police Chase (on live tv)

Source: http://abc13.com

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- A police chase came to a violent end in northeast Harris County, with officers fatally shooting the suspect. The pursuit began when the driver of a blue Chrysler 300 fled during an attempted traffic stop.

After several minutes of a high speed pursuit, during which the driver eluded police by going around several patrol cars and driving into the grass, the chase came to a crashing halt. The suspect slammed into another vehicle at an intersection on Wallisville at Castlegory, then spun into another vehicle. EMS crews attended to the occupants of those vehicles. The extent of their injuries are unknown.

The driver got out of the car and after he reached back inside the vehicle, officers opened fire, fatally striking the driver. His identity hasn't been released, but family members arriving at the scene say the man is 41 years old and is the father of three, with another child on the way.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CCpRLCRVIAABdGJ.mp4

Read more: http://abc13.com/news/suspect-shot-by-officers-at-end-of-police-chase/661643/



the guy did reach back into the car but doesnt appear to pull out a weapon. for sure doesnt aim and shoot anything at anyone. yet cops almost immediately start blasting away.

not even a 'drop the weapon!' or anything.
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Suspect Fatally Shot By Officers At End OF Police Chase (on live tv) (Original Post) Garion_55 Apr 2015 OP
God won't save us. We must save ourselves marym625 Apr 2015 #1
True... PatrynXX Apr 2015 #8
They sure do! marym625 Apr 2015 #10
when did fleeing become a capital offense? mike_c Apr 2015 #2
When the suspect slammed into another vehicle, injuring innocent bystanders, Xipe Totec Apr 2015 #17
I respectfully and emphatically disagree Dyedinthewoolliberal Apr 2015 #29
These aren't Police Officers they are Death Squads 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #3
Now it's just assumed that everyone is carrying a gun. n/t vkkv Apr 2015 #4
To be fair, he was operating a very powerful weapon the entire time NickB79 Apr 2015 #5
Yup. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #6
Not stopping in time? NickB79 Apr 2015 #28
That's what I said. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #30
Which is WHY Police should be held to strict limites in "Hot Pursuit". bvar22 Apr 2015 #9
Just watched this report on a Portland OR TV station. classof56 Apr 2015 #7
Different guy onenote Apr 2015 #20
maybe this will fall under those "reasonable mistakes" they are talking about now.. this is really secondwind Apr 2015 #11
When you reach back into the car ManiacJoe Apr 2015 #12
Where did you hear this? nt F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #14
Video from the abc13 link in the OP. ManiacJoe Apr 2015 #15
Ah, okay, I had no audio. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #16
Local news cast oneshooter Apr 2015 #18
Thank you. Makes sense. 840high Apr 2015 #22
No problem, many on DU are known to react first, get the facts later. n/t oneshooter Apr 2015 #26
It's also explained right in the article TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #23
Weird... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #25
And now the next person who gets chased who happens to be a black man (gee, wonder what the chances F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #13
he was commanded to get out of the car with his hands up TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #19
DU is always quick 840high Apr 2015 #21
apparently he called his mom to say goodbye TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #24
Sounds like a "Suicide by Cop." n/t oneshooter Apr 2015 #27

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
8. True...
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:12 PM
Apr 2015

Praying to Jesus helps but being a brick doesn't. Christian Scientists are a weird bunch... and by all means we probably should but the crazies on the right have more ammo. they'll be killing themselves off first

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
2. when did fleeing become a capital offense?
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:14 PM
Apr 2015

Seriously. One very common thread running through police shootings is the victim either fleeing or being otherwise noncompliant. This speaks to an authority issue-- police are killing citizens simply for refusing to recognize their authority to detain them, question them, arrest them, etc. In many cases cops might indeed have that authority, but clearly they value it more than they value the lives of their victims. That's a real problem. Cops are killing people simply to enforce their authority.

Another common thread is that if the victim was armed, it will be used to justify the shooting, even if the victim did not threaten anyone with a weapon. We hear it all the time: "Police report that the victim was armed." Second amendment fans help me out here. When did being armed become a capital offense? Yes, I know there are layers of firearms laws that are often being broken: concealed carry, unregistered guns, etc. But those are often not even felonies, so there's no justification for killing people for what are, at the end of the day, petty and quite common crimes.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
17. When the suspect slammed into another vehicle, injuring innocent bystanders,
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:59 PM
Apr 2015

I'm sorry but this would not be the case I would use to demonstrate police abuse.

Mind you, I'm not happy with the police. I do think they abuse their power, especially with minorities.

But in this case, the suspect gave ample evidence of being a menace and a clear and present danger.

That's my opinion.


Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,586 posts)
29. I respectfully and emphatically disagree
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 04:58 PM
Apr 2015

he could have smashed 10 cars, it doesn't give the police a reason to kill him.

NickB79

(19,258 posts)
5. To be fair, he was operating a very powerful weapon the entire time
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:53 PM
Apr 2015
The suspect slammed into another vehicle at an intersection on Wallisville at Castlegory, then spun into another vehicle. EMS crews attended to the occupants of those vehicles. The extent of their injuries are unknown.
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
6. Yup.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:57 PM
Apr 2015

I see it now they're going to start gunning people down for simply not stopping in time then using that as an excuse.

We are in so much trouble as a country.

NickB79

(19,258 posts)
28. Not stopping in time?
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 04:56 PM
Apr 2015

To recap:

The suspect slammed into another vehicle at an intersection on Wallisville at Castlegory, then spun into another vehicle. EMS crews attended to the occupants of those vehicles. The extent of their injuries are unknown.


This was not a driver who simply didn't "stop in time." He hit and possibly injured other people in a chase that went on for quite some time.

I tend to have little sympathy for those who drive in such a fashion, after having almost been hit by a driver fleeing police last summer, with my 4-yr old daughter in the car at the time.
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
30. That's what I said.
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 05:18 PM
Apr 2015

I'll give you a few other examples.

There was an instance where an officer asked a guy to stop pointing a cellphone camera at him because it could be a weapon.

Fast foward to 3:10

?t=3m10s

Now if they can claim that your cellphone is a weapon and use the threat of violence to make you point the camera away from them, if they can shoot multiple unarmed men in the back while they're in handcuffs, on the ground or running away, they can also claim that the car you're in is a 4000lb weapon and shoot you for not stopping.

No matter how you sugar coat it, no matter how much you try to argue semantics, this is the world we live in here in the good ole us of a.

Enjoy! because this is the reality we face because of people like YOU.











bvar22

(39,909 posts)
9. Which is WHY Police should be held to strict limites in "Hot Pursuit".
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:29 PM
Apr 2015

Very Limited.
\Most "hot pursuits" only endanger the population.
Get the license number, and then back off.
The suspect will also if there isn't a cop car on his tail.

It will save many live if they just let the helicopter follow them home, and then send officers to arrest.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
7. Just watched this report on a Portland OR TV station.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:03 PM
Apr 2015

The suspect was wanted for shooting three people in Portland last Friday, two dead, the third victim is in critical condition. A 13-week-old baby in the home was not shot. Enough tragedy to go around, and I'm not advocating death by cop, just shedding a little light on the situation. Anyone wants to, go to koin.com for more details.

and hugs for that baby girl.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
11. maybe this will fall under those "reasonable mistakes" they are talking about now.. this is really
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:54 PM
Apr 2015

frightening and very disturbing to me!

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
12. When you reach back into the car
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:04 PM
Apr 2015

after calling 911 and saying you will harm the child passenger, the cops will usually take you at your word and act to prevent you from harming others.

The fact that you lied to the 911 dispatcher about there being a child passenger will not save your ass.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
23. It's also explained right in the article
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 12:32 AM
Apr 2015

Didn't need any video to find that out, but then the OP didn't seem to bother to read their own links either.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
25. Weird...
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 01:00 AM
Apr 2015

I reread the article looking for it. I don't know how I missed it. Ah, well. Wouldn't be the first time I've been stupid today.

On edit: jeez, I really have no idea how I missed that. Only the first paragraph.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
13. And now the next person who gets chased who happens to be a black man (gee, wonder what the chances
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:24 PM
Apr 2015

are), will not stop at all. Because he know's it's life or death.

Fucking brilliant. Chases are never a good idea, they only endanger people.

And yet another black man dead because cops wanted to shoot someone.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
19. he was commanded to get out of the car with his hands up
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:36 PM
Apr 2015

Instead of complying he ducked back inside the car. You think the police should have just waited to see if he came up with a weapon when they're surrounded by elementary schools and a daycare and after he called 911 to say that he had a child in the car that he would harm if the police didn't stop chasing him?

The guy was pulled over for driving erratically making dangerous lane changes and the police are just supposed to let the guy go continuing to drive erratically and endangering everyone on the road? While he was pulled over and police approached his car he took off running lights and speeding and driving even worse than before. The police are supposed to just let him go on doing that endangering everyone on the road? Then he calls 911 and says he has a young child with him in the car that he'll harm if the police don't let him go. The police believe he has a small child in danger of this nut trapped in the car with him and just let him go and not chase him anymore?

Then he crashes into two cars with totally innocent people in them, is told to get out of the car with his hands up and instead gets out of the car and ducks back in for something that could be a weapon or the child he said he had in the car without doing anything to stop him? And all when elementary schools and a daycare are right there?

Did you bother to read anything more of this article than the headline before posting it?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
24. apparently he called his mom to say goodbye
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 12:42 AM
Apr 2015

Uncle believes that he ran from the police because of an outstnding warrant...

http://abc13.com/news/mom-of-deadly-chase-suspect-he-called-to-say-bye-i-love-you/662694/
Convicted of aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon and unlawful carrying of a weapon in 1991, Shephard was sentenced to five years in prison. In 1999, he was charged with aggravated assault with a deadly and escaping from custody.

Shephard was charged with allegedly assaulting a coworker in 2011, and plead guilty to a misdemeanor.

Then in 2013, Shephard was charged with assaulting a family member. He had an outstanding warrant for that charge, and his uncle says that's why Shephard ran.

"I'm not blaming no one, because you know he was at fault for reaching back behind," said Chris Shephard, the uncle. "He should've just gotten up put his hands up and lay down the ground."

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Looking more like 'suicide by cop' at this point.

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