Texas governor tells state guard to monitor Army training
Source: Associated Press
Texas governor tells state guard to monitor Army training
Associated Press | April 28, 2015 | Updated: April 28, 2015 4:42pm
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has asked the state guard to monitor a U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" amid some residents' suspicions of the U.S. government's plan.
Abbott's request Tuesday comes after some residents in Bastrop County questioned a U.S. Army commander during a town meeting about whether the government was planning to confiscate guns or implement martial law.
A map of the operation had labeled Texas, Utah and parts of California as "hostile" for the purposes of the training exercise.
Military officials say armed forces this summer will train on private and public land in areas that were chosen because of similarities to overseas combat areas.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Texas-Gov-Abbott-responds-to-Jade-Helm-15-6229453.php
Gothmog
(145,264 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)I think they want a war
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Canada is looking better and better to me all the time.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)The irony is that he thinks it's Obama, but the soldiers belong to Donald Trump.
underpants
(182,807 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)All three titles are complimentary to them! "Ahhh whoops."
safeinOhio
(32,683 posts)that foreign Mosaic Law.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Just because Republicans think this military exercise is creepy.
The exercise IS creepy. It's like a training for a civil war.
Republicans are stopped clocks: right twice a day. Abbot is correct here and Paul was correct that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake.
bananas
(27,509 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Military maneuvers of this sort are nobody's business.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)In my line of work, "monitor" is a synonym for "do nothing."
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)like the rest of the paranoid teabaggers which makes them very dangerous.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)Answer: If enlightenment was electricity, all of Abbott's supporters combined couldn't jiggle a dissected frog's leg!
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Iran is 636,372 sq mi or 1,648,195 km2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran
Texas is 268,820 square miles or 696,200 Square Kilometers (km2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas
Utah is 84,899 sq mi or 219,887 km2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah
Arizona is 113,990 sq mi or 295,234 km2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona
New Mexico is 121,589 sq mi or 315,194 km2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico
Nevada is 110,622 sq mi or 286,367 km2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada
Thus the total area of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah is 599,910 square miles, 34,462 square miles less then Iran, and with a similar climate similar to Iran
Thus to cover Iran the US Army does NOT need ALL of California just 34,462 Square miles of it (out of 163,696 sq mi or 423,970 km2). i.e about a 1/5 of California.
Yes Iran coast is on its Southern Border NOT on the Eastern and Western Coast of the above six states. Iran Eastern Border with Pakistan is set by an offshoot of the Himalayans, about the same shape and makeup as the Sierra Nevadas of California. Iran uses extensive irrigation for its food supply, as does the whole Southwest. Iran also has areas with wetter conditions like that in Texas prior to the present drought.
Iran has a large population, 78.4 million inhabitants. California has 38,802,500, Texas has 27,695,284, New Mexico has 2,085,572, Arizona has 6,731,484, Utah has 2,949,902. The population of these six states comes to 78,264,742, less then 200,000 less then Iran (And given the errors in such estimates for all practical purposes the same population).
Sorry, this is a test for an invasion of Iran, not Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California
bananas
(27,509 posts)There was a news article, IIRC the military had a meeting with the town council to get their approval and said they needed terrain similar to where the next war is.
So I've been wondering about that, I think you nailed it.
Thanks.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)From a stright geography point of view, I knew the American Southwest is much like Iran as to being a semi desert area with huge amount of agriculture to support its population. I was shocked at how close the numbers were when I added them up. I expected a wider difference in both area and population.
Now I suspect the details will be larger, cities with less population, more rural population etc, but you can compare the Arab speakers in Iran's southwest (where the oil fields are) with the Mexican American population in the Rio Grande Valley. You can also compare a movement of "Hostiles" from Iraq, if the US attacks Iran, with illegal immigrants from Mexico (I am looking from a military TRAINING purpose NOT reality, no one expects Mexicans from Northern Mexico to invade the American Southwest if American troops starts to move around in the Southwest).
The big factor are the distances involved over terrain similar to what exists in Iran. Notice the following map, actual farm land is limited in Iran, you have a much larger amount of Grazing land and a huge "waste land" in the middle of Iran:
http://irancompgovproject.blogspot.com/2010/08/land-use.html
The American Southwest is a good fit, you do have good farm land, but it is limited to Texas, Northern California or areas with Irrigation. On the other hand, the Southwest has extensive land usable for "Grazing" and you do have some deserts.
The above map was in 1978 under the Shah, a more modern map follows:
https://chronicle.fanack.com/iran/facts-and-figures/geography-and-climate/natural-resources-and-land-fertility/
I went to three different web cites and they all came back more or less the same. The Southeast, the easiest area to get from the Indian Ocean, is the most desert (THis is Baluchistan). The richest areas are along the Iraq border and a thin spread against the Afghanistan Border, with major deserts in the middle of Iran (sounds like the American Southwest except for areas irrigated by the Colorado and Rio Grand Rivers)
Hopefully this military exercise shows how high the costs will be to attack Iran and any such attack will be called off. On the other hand, you do not do such planning unless you either what to make a point OR you are going in. I fear the later, but hope that the first (this shows the costs to be to high) or the second (this is to scare the Iranians what we CAN DO, not what we will do).
http://old.wheatatlas.org/country/environment/maps/IRN/0
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL...
Sounds like fun I guess
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)- the official motto for jade helm - 15.
per their pr slide presentation.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)at the cross bars has an emblem but i am unable to determine what it represents - a smiley face? or a ritual dagger?
thank you for posting the emblem.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)what does that symbol imply? white dutch supremacy?
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I suspect it isn't really the emblem for this or that the clog was put on the real emblem.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)thanks. a discerning eye is good.
Evar
(44 posts)For Governor Abbott to distrust and disrespect the dedicated men and women of our United States Army is outrageous. This is how extreme the Texas leadership has become, that our governor would pander to the lunatic fringe. He needs to hear from us.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)And I distrust the power mad assholes in the Pentagon, too, as should any good liberal.
They'd stage a military coup in a second, given the opportunity.
General Betrayus anyone?
Was no one here alive during Vietnam?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)How many of the military exercises which you took place in were designed to overthrow the government and install martial law?
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)We pretty successfully overthrew that government and installed marshal law.
But to your point, I've never saw (or heard of in my years working in DC, admittedly in Congress) of any kind of exercise where they pretended various US states were the enemy. This is a new type of exercise with no precedent of which I am aware.
Well except for various CIA efforts to undermine US elections/media to support the military-industrial complex. Of course, those weren't "exercises." They were the real deal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion
Seriously, does no one remember Vietnam?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)2. Comparing WWII to a training exercise is batshit crazy.
3. This wacko conspiracy nonsense is rooted in fear of the President, not the military. After all, if the military were interested in pursuing a coup, they'd over throw Obama, not the governor of Texas.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)I always cringe when I read "marshal law." I want to correct them and I'm sure most people would appreciate it, but some people get really weird about stuff like that. I personally like it when people correct my silly mistakes. If it wasn't for a friend pointing out the flawed logic of saying "I could care less", I would still be saying that today.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Plus, is 'marshal law' some new military term that refers to sheriffs? The only term I've ever heard is 'martial law.'
Everyone here has heard of Operation Mockingbird, etc. Do you believe the USGovernment is going to send people to FEMA camps for political views? Since that is the root of this theme, pushed by Infowars, but even said to not be true by Rand Paul.
Plus, Abbott is playing the Texas secession theme song. They haven't left the Union again.
The army has rented space in empty malls and contracted to use ranch land for drills in Texas before. Nothing happened later.
Of course there were more bases there in the past where they did training exercises. They have an 'urban warfare' program used in the Middle East but didn't train for it there, for obvious reasons.
And the CIA affects public opinion less than the Koch brothers do. Unless you think they are the entity. I'd like to hear someone expound on that, as it would really be interesting.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"This is a new type of exercise with no precedent of which I am aware..."
Hence, your implied premise is based on a post-hoc-ergo-prompter-hoc fallacy. Creative most certainly, but hardly worthy of consideration beyond the measure of other fictions better written.
dembotoz
(16,805 posts)And that is a high bar
Javaman
(62,530 posts)abbott makes perry look like a genius.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Grins
(7,217 posts)They are going to have THE ARMY, monitor THE ARMY, because you have delusional fears about THE ARMY?
In this case the federally funded and often deployed National Guard, that backs up the active Army. Texans are strange.
I loved it when it said places to train, "were chosen because of similarities to overseas combat areas". That's gotta' leave mark.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)The State Guard in Texas answers to the Governor of Texas, not the President. It is similar to the National Guard, but not the same, in that it cannot be called out to duty in foreign lands without the order of the Governor.
It's a fully armed force and quite capable, much more so of recent times. It has swelled recently because so many people wanted to join a National Guard type organization to help out with floods, etc., but didn't want to find themselves in Iraq.
I believe it is a vestige of the fact that Texas was a country at one time.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)I looked into what the state guards were all about about a month ago. There's a handful of other states that have a state guard. From what I read, it seems like most of them require people to buy their own uniforms and all that jazz.
*edit*
Interesting. I could have sworn I read that they could not be armed, but it looks like some of them are? At least the Californian state guard (or whatever they call themselves) is.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)You are correct they are not nearly the force of the National Guard, but they are, indeed, armed, especially post-Katrina, post 9/11.
It's light stuff --- patrol boats, small arms, APCs and heavy in logistical support stuff (trucks, medical, cargo planes, etc) but that's exactly what you'd need for a state.
Indeed, Gov. Abbot's idiocy notwithstanding (not that I disagree that the Pentagon is not to be trusted -- apparently I'm the only one old enough here to remember Vietnam -- and Korea, for that matter), state guards are increasingly important after Bush's Mesopotamian Adventure since a lot of good people who want to help, but who can't afford (either financially or for personal reasons) to disappear to Ickistan for a year. As a result, State guards can get construction guys, cops, doctors, etc., that you need post-natural (or man made) disaster to sign up to help at home that national guards can't get anymore.
pasto76
(1,589 posts)the guard is almost completely comprised of aforementioned construction guys, we are overloaded (imo) with cops and EMTs and being on of those construction guys myself...
anyway. That was a good excuse when the wars were raging "i dont want to go to iraq" - which is telling in itself really. I didnt really want to end up in the first phase of an occupation either but hey, I did sign up for this.
I take you back to the timeless, universal and omnipresent excuse, "I couldnt handle someone telling me what to do all the time/I'd take a swing at the first person who yelled at me"
At the core of the texas guard are some people no doubt who are public servants. There are some people at the core of the texas state guard who participate for their ego - we have the same thing in the real Army.
Most of the underlings, love to wear that uniform and have people think that they are actual Army.
They sure have a lot of 'regiments'. Wiki doesnt have current numbers
Gothmog
(145,264 posts)Juanita Jean had some fun with this story http://juanitajean.com/ding-ding-ding-we-have-a-winner/
It is important that Texans know their safety, constitutional rights, private property rights and civil liberties will not be infringed, Abbott wrote. By monitoring the Operation on a continual basis, the State Guard will facilitate communications between my office and the commanders of the Operation to ensure that adequate measures are in place to protect Texans.
Do you know what the Texas Guard is? Its not the Texas National Guard. Its just the Texas Guard. Its like the Boy Scouts except with no adult supervision.
Remember the old sheriff we had here who often tied his shoelaces together? He was the head of the Texas Guard here and his mistress was the Lt. Col. I am not making that up. Just ask anybody.
The Texas Guard is for people too old or too chicken to join the real military. They are for civil help only, like cleaning up after a hurricane. Heres what they get paid. They do not get to carry guns, even if they have one.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Let's see:
Overturning civil and property rights is being done right now. And they are denying human rights and have overturned fracking regulations by elected local governments representing voters who don't want it.
Half the population doesn't have 4At rights, or soon won't:
The Right of Women to be Secure in Their Persons Against Unreasonable Searches
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023017529
'ALL UR UTERI R BELONG 2US says Abbott. 'No 4A of the US Constitution for you, missy.'
Texas resources are being sold off to cronies, social and legal services are suffering, and people are running around playing GI Joe on the streets.
I think someone is cheating at cards to divert attention off he's doing that endangers Texans for real. It's gotten damn weird.
Gothmog
(145,264 posts)Mayberry Machiavelli
(21,096 posts)humor the idiot wingnuts like this.
So why do it?
He's guaranteed reelection until a major realignment happens in TX which I don't see for at least several years.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Texans blame secret military takeover for Walmart closings, secret tunnels
Dylan Baddour, Houston Chronicle | April 22, 2015 | Updated: April 23, 2015 7:48am
News of the Army's operation Jade Helm stirred up widespread fears and deep mistrust of the American government in a sizable bloc of the public. Thousands of tweets, dozens of online publications and plenty of Chron.com commenters sounded the alarm of an impending military takeover.
Now the virtual world of alternative news has added a new twist to the tale: Walmart is in on it, and there are secret underground tunnels.
Multiple websites drew links between the suspiciously swift and simultaneous closure of a half dozen Walmarts nationwide and the military training drill that will have some of America's most elite units--Green Berets and Navy SEALS among them--trying to blend in to the civilian population in Texas and the Southwestern states.
It may seem crazy, but the fearful aren't a totally marginal crowd. Online outcry over the original plans to hold the so-called realistic military training in American cities drew an official response from the U.S. Army Special Operations Command.
More:
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texans-blame-secret-military-drills-for-Walmart-cl-6214696.php
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)That would shut up "General" Abbott.
Angleae
(4,482 posts)Texas, unlike other states, keeps it's own forces (both land and water). The federal govt has no control over this (unless you wish to draft the entire state of Texas).
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)They are the equivalent of a State police force. They cannot interfere with military exercises.
Angleae
(4,482 posts)and the president can't order any governor to do anything without suspending the constitution or enforcing a federal law or court order.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)these kinds of exercises. The President absolutely can order the governor of a state to honor those agreements.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)It boggles the mind there are people in this country so dimwitted they buy this hook, line and sinker. And the governor is apparently one of those dimwits.
Gothmog
(145,264 posts)Juanita Jean had some fun with this story http://juanitajean.com/ding-ding-ding-we-have-a-winner/
It is important that Texans know their safety, constitutional rights, private property rights and civil liberties will not be infringed, Abbott wrote. By monitoring the Operation on a continual basis, the State Guard will facilitate communications between my office and the commanders of the Operation to ensure that adequate measures are in place to protect Texans.
Do you know what the Texas Guard is? Its not the Texas National Guard. Its just the Texas Guard. Its like the Boy Scouts except with no adult supervision.
Remember the old sheriff we had here who often tied his shoelaces together? He was the head of the Texas Guard here and his mistress was the Lt. Col. I am not making that up. Just ask anybody.
The Texas Guard is for people too old or too chicken to join the real military. They are for civil help only, like cleaning up after a hurricane. Heres what they get paid. They do not get to carry guns, even if they have one.