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Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:05 AM Apr 2015

Sanders Presser May Flout Ethics Rules

Source: Roll Call

Running for president is hard. But it’s even harder to do while balancing the ethics rules of your day job on Capitol Hill.

It’s a lesson Sen. Bernard Sanders, I-Vt., is learning the day after he told The Associated Press he’s running for president in 2016.

Sanders was scheduled to hold a news conference Thursday at noon at the Senate Radio/TV gallery where he will “discuss his agenda for America.” By holding the event the day after he made his presidential hopes official, the vast majority of the questions at the event are likely to be about his campaign and national platform. And that walks a fine line of breaking Senate ethics rules, which prohibit campaigning of any kind in the Capitol complex.

But about two hours before the presser was scheduled to start, Sanders’ office announced a location change. The event would be held outside the Capitol, in the Senate Swamp.

Read more: http://atr.rollcall.com/bernie-sanders-2016-announcement-ethics/

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Sanders Presser May Flout Ethics Rules (Original Post) Freddie Stubbs Apr 2015 OP
Really? What a load of shit. blackspade Apr 2015 #1
+ 1 brazillion Myrina Apr 2015 #2
Yes. NON-NEWS is now allowed in Latest Breaking News. LOL JimDandy Apr 2015 #16
Qualified LBN: I just broke my finger nail. L0oniX Apr 2015 #17
That's about the equivalent... Hosts must be off the job today. JimDandy Apr 2015 #18
Now, THAT is news! blackspade Apr 2015 #20
+10 Some of our media really smells, must be the rot of desperation. However, 'Bernie & Ethics' appalachiablue Apr 2015 #27
Well, looks like he's busted. IDemo Apr 2015 #3
When's the House committee going to be formed??? RiverNoord Apr 2015 #26
A problem avioded isn't a problem Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #4
+1000 MissDeeds Apr 2015 #5
exactly, and agree, he avoided it. just watch how good he is at this....i'll bet my house! TheNutcracker Apr 2015 #6
Yep MissDeeds Apr 2015 #7
I'm with you on this madokie Apr 2015 #28
Problem is, moving the presser didn't entirely avoid the problem William Seger Apr 2015 #12
Yes, I read it. Half-Century Man May 2015 #30
Fail again. Kingofalldems Apr 2015 #8
B.S. Hit Piece on Sanders May Flout Common Sense and Decency nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #9
Whattttt everrrrrrrrrrr L0oniX Apr 2015 #10
Here we go! sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #11
I think how Sanders will fare depends on how voters feel about him. Here's a good article Hoyt Apr 2015 #13
Who thought of this? Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #14
So..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #15
No, the Senate Swamp is still an "official resource" William Seger Apr 2015 #19
I have to agree with you red dog 1 Apr 2015 #21
The Senate Swamp is a press access area used for announcements. Half-Century Man May 2015 #31
The issue is using it for campaigning William Seger May 2015 #32
What the hell is the "Senate Swamp"? nt sufrommich Apr 2015 #22
Grassy area with some trees in the Northeast corner of the Capitol grounds Freddie Stubbs Apr 2015 #23
Wow, I've never heard of it before now. nt sufrommich Apr 2015 #25
It's where the Tea Partiers in Congress go at night to live when they're in DC which is as little as appalachiablue Apr 2015 #29
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Apr 2015 #24

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
1. Really? What a load of shit.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:13 AM
Apr 2015

The tare-down by the M$M begins.

Obviously someone on his staff was 'Johnny on the spot' and moved this BEFORE it was an 'ethics violation,' but the M$M still couches it as "May Flout Ethics Rules."

What a disgusting, shitty media we have, full of ethically challenged assholes that can't be bothered to report actual news.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
18. That's about the equivalent... Hosts must be off the job today.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:35 PM
Apr 2015

Hope you get the a host position in the Sanders Group!

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
27. +10 Some of our media really smells, must be the rot of desperation. However, 'Bernie & Ethics'
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:08 PM
Apr 2015

placed together- definitely appropriate.

Bernie Sanders, America's Senator for The People!!



-Appa

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
4. A problem avioded isn't a problem
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:17 AM
Apr 2015

Which is a problem for the Masters of the media.

So, cooking the title is a way to draw in viewers and discredit someone seen as a problem

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
7. Yep
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:31 AM
Apr 2015

The media is going to be working overtime trying to find dirt on Bernie. This first attempt is laughable.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
28. I'm with you on this
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:39 PM
Apr 2015

Bernie is no spring chicken, hell he isn't any kind of a chicken. He's the real fucking deal

Like he said don't underestimate me.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
12. Problem is, moving the presser didn't entirely avoid the problem
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:43 AM
Apr 2015

Did you read the article, or just the OP?

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
30. Yes, I read it.
Fri May 1, 2015, 06:55 AM
May 2015

My confidence in my statement comes from several factors.
First, for the powers that be to catch the Senator who constantly berates them on their moral failing and questionable ethics in an ethics violation at the very start of his run to the top is a Machiavellian wet dream. Too easy.

Second, For a long term Washington political player and staff of to not know the many pitfalls on the path to the oval office and take steps to avoid them is very hard to believe.

Third, the source

But one Senate aide said it’s a “well-known tenet” these things shouldn’t mix.
[M]"Money must be used for the purpose for which it is appropriated. … Everything up here is paid for by official funds so all things we do must be official,” the aide said.

Ah, the ubiquitous anonymous Senatorial aide, quoted using language which implies (or seems to) something without confirmation of any sort. As to "well known tenet"; a tenet is a tradition or belief, not a law or rule; so it lacks legal standing. As to the "money "portion of the quoted statement; why was it not presented as using governmental resources for personal reason? Why phrase it as mishandling of money in general? Could it be to attack Senator Sanders as a member of the Budget Committee?

I have no idea of the political leanings of the writers or their publisher; I think I have a fairly good handle on the political leaning of their "source".
I have been wrong countless times before, But I have confidence in this.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
11. Here we go!
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:39 AM
Apr 2015

M$M will stoop as low as needs be to try and discredit Sanders. His major sin is not that he is a socialist or that he will embarrasses the ruling class, but rather that he lacks the money to spend lavishly on M$M.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. I think how Sanders will fare depends on how voters feel about him. Here's a good article
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:47 AM
Apr 2015

on Sanders, some really good stuff I think. But, it will turn a lot of voters off, including a chunk of Democrats. We'll just have to see whether Sanders can overcome the Kucinich "Keebler Elf" -- as one DU Sanders supporter aptly put it -- persona.

I don't know, but Carter sorta of did it. Of course, Carter was not a scary "socialist" and held a lot of red state ideas at the time.

Me personally, I'd love to see us like a Scandinavian country, but I don't want to lose the next election because a lot of voters freak out over the thought (or lack of understanding and thought).

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/magazine/21Sanders.t.html?pagewanted=all

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
15. So.....
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:01 PM
Apr 2015

He moved the Presser to an moved approriate location. What Ethics Rules were violated? None.

The M$M is doing the bidding of the 1% already as they view Senator Bernie Sanders as a Threat.


He is Threat to the Status Quo and Thank God Bernie is Running for President!!!

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
19. No, the Senate Swamp is still an "official resource"
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:02 PM
Apr 2015

... so it's definitely covered by the ethics rule. The only question is whether this presser should be considered campaigning, and it probably should be. He should have moved it elsewhere so there would be no question. I hate to see Bernie misstep this early.

red dog 1

(27,857 posts)
21. I have to agree with you
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:42 PM
Apr 2015

I support Bernie Sanders for President; but this "presser" should be held somewhere else,
someplace that is not an "official resource"...and thus not covered by the ethics rule.

From the Roll Call article cited in the OP:
"The Senate Swamp can only be reserved by members of Congress -- not public demonstrators or candidates.
Jason Botelho, media relations coordinator for the Senate Radio-TV Gallery said other locations on the Capital grounds could be booked through the Capital Police.'

"Official resources (Senate space, equipment, staff time, and supplies) should not be used to assist campaign organizations," read the rules posted to the Senate Ethic's Committee's website.



The Republicans will probably jump all over him for this.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
31. The Senate Swamp is a press access area used for announcements.
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:04 AM
May 2015
The “Swamp Site” – so named by television standup crews who found the area perpetually wet when the media interview location was established in the 1970’s – is one of the so-called free standup areas on the Capitol grounds where accredited members of the media can set up live television capability at any time without prior clearance to conduct interviews.
http://capitolhillcorner.org/2013/10/16/%EF%BB%BFthe-senate-swamp-site-on-wednesday-afternoon-circa-400pm-photo-essay/

It's a corner of the capital grounds. Public property.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
32. The issue is using it for campaigning
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:04 AM
May 2015

... and my point, again, is that I hate to see Bernie make unforced errors like this. And really, the only reason I posted was because so many people seemed to be pouncing on their keyboards after reading the misleading OP, without reading the article.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
29. It's where the Tea Partiers in Congress go at night to live when they're in DC which is as little as
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:12 PM
Apr 2015

possible since they hate it. It's risky, but saves money and is cheaper than renting a room, for all 30 of them. The other alternatives are to hang out at night with the homeless people in downtown DC or folks living under Key Bridge in Georgetown. But they'd be uncomfortable with that. So, the US Capitol 'Senate Swamp' it is.
The reporter who wrote this piece is obviously familiar with it.




red dog 1

(27,857 posts)
24. K&R...Thanks for posting
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:58 PM
Apr 2015

Uncle Bernie should have thought this one out better,
but, IMO, he is still the Democrats' best chance to defeat the GOP next year.

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