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Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 02:59 PM May 2015

Senate Reaches Deal on Trade

Source: Roll Call

Senate leaders agreed to a deal to get fast-track trade authority back on track Wednesday, with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., offering votes on two bills accompanying bills demanded by Democrats first.

Those bills include the key customs bill with currency enforcement provisions opposed by the White House as well as a trade preference bill aimed to help developing countries.

Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who himself is a “hell no” on fast-track, nonetheless praised McConnell’s offer as “fair,” although he noted Democrats would still want to offer amendments on the underlying fast-track bill.

The deal also rescues President Barack Obama’s trade agenda just one day after his own party blocked debate on it.

Read more: http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/senate-reaches-deal-on-trade/

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Senate Reaches Deal on Trade (Original Post) Freddie Stubbs May 2015 OP
and just heard they leave for ANOTHER RECESS!!!!! WTH!!! a kennedy May 2015 #1
How long are they going into recess for? Freddie Stubbs May 2015 #10
Well so far turbinetree May 2015 #18
No different then any Congress in 40 years yeoman6987 May 2015 #27
Forever I hope! We'll take over- ~ THE PEOPLE'S CONGRESS ~ appalachiablue May 2015 #25
The nuts and bolts of TPP is, we get screwed. Hoppy May 2015 #2
This isn't a vote on the TPP Freddie Stubbs May 2015 #12
Or the next President. We'll have Fast Track for 6 years. stillwaiting May 2015 #29
So nothing on jobs, Nite Owl May 2015 #3
Do you have enough money to "exist" in their eyes, Nite Owl? villager May 2015 #4
I recall during the regime of Bush the Preppy Jack Rabbit May 2015 #11
+1 daleanime May 2015 #19
Read that statement many times. Wellstone ruled May 2015 #30
Are you sure it was Ari Fleischer? Jack Rabbit May 2015 #31
Might be totally wrong on this one, Wellstone ruled May 2015 #33
Well put. And corporate lawyers making the money too. stuffmatters May 2015 #13
We're all invisible and transparent for the most part. We don't have enough money or RKP5637 May 2015 #17
Couldn't find the vote breakdown on Roll Call-unless it was a voice vote. jalan48 May 2015 #5
The vote hasn't taken place yet Freddie Stubbs May 2015 #6
Thanks-I misunderstood the headline. jalan48 May 2015 #8
Sounds like the vote is tomorrow (Thurs) Still time to call your senator (again) stuffmatters May 2015 #14
I called Wyden yesterday-I'll call him again tomorrow. Thank you. jalan48 May 2015 #28
I don't think Reid speaks for all Democrats in the Senate. We will see still_one May 2015 #7
It will only take a handful of Democrats for cloture to pass Freddie Stubbs May 2015 #9
Funny, I can't see this thread n2doc May 2015 #15
The Camel's Nose is in the Tent! Ford_Prefect May 2015 #16
So Obama can veto the customs bill, sadoldgirl May 2015 #20
Sounds like a win-win. ucrdem May 2015 #21
CORRUPTION. It's a corporate coup. That's all the TPP is. JDPriestly May 2015 #22
Sorry but that corruption happened years ago. apnu May 2015 #26
kick OKNancy May 2015 #23
The writing is on the wall. We're screwed royally ... yet again. Arugula Latte May 2015 #24
Just to remind you of what we are up against here . . FairWinds May 2015 #32
WOW kacekwl May 2015 #34
13 Dems that voted for cloture... Stellar May 2015 #35

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
18. Well so far
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:54 PM
May 2015

this year they are scheduled to be in class a grand total of 139 days, yep, 139 days making $174,000 a year, $14,500 a month, and then going off on retreats to smooze with there billionaire and millionaire handlers right along with the right wing majority U.S Supreme Court.
While we has a country are getting rules and laws to become a third rate failed state, because we have a right wing congress that thinks that government is the problem, and think like Ronnie Reagan on the right wing republican side of isle.

Now what do you think?
Take a one day to pass amendments to a trade bill, without any public committee meetings longer that 30 minutes under the Orrin Hatch plan-----look no further than when Sherrod Brown showed up two weeks ago to question the trade representative.

What is wrong with this picture?




 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. No different then any Congress in 40 years
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:40 PM
May 2015

They all have raising money to do and constituents to talk with. If only Washinton was the only way art of the job. It would be easier.

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
12. This isn't a vote on the TPP
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:34 PM
May 2015

It is a vote on fast-track for TPP or any other trade agreements which the President submits to Congress.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
29. Or the next President. We'll have Fast Track for 6 years.
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015

We stopped it when Bush was President for a reason I thought.

Fast track passing pretty much assures all free trade bills will pass though. Even those that have very little to do with trade, but have a whole lot to do with rewriting regulatory frameworks that are favorable to the bottom lines of Big Business.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
3. So nothing on jobs,
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:06 PM
May 2015

nothing on environment
nothing on corporate lawyers making the final decisions in disputes

Damn it's like we don't exist!

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
4. Do you have enough money to "exist" in their eyes, Nite Owl?
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:11 PM
May 2015

Otherwise, no, we are not here at all.

Certainly not as long as we all keep keeping quiet.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
11. I recall during the regime of Bush the Preppy
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:33 PM
May 2015

Last edited Wed May 13, 2015, 04:05 PM - Edit history (1)

some White House adviser whose name has long since disappeared in my personal memory hole made a remark about "If you don't make (a certain amount of money that seemed like a lot in the early nineties) then you don't have a stake in the system." Things since then have only gotten worse, with Democrats being like Republicans except that they support women's rights and gay marriage.

Actually, those of us who don't make that much still have a big stake in the system, just a big as any gluttonous and greedy oligarch. It's only when we stop electing elitists who pose as populists that we'll see any real progress to a more just society.

Class warfare in not a campaign strategy. It is a fact and we must deal with it. Of course, we are the ones on the defensive because we didn't start the war and one of the oligarchs' weapon is lie the lie that only left wing demagogues wage class warfare.

Don't trust anyone who tells you there is no class warfare or that it's a bad political strategy. Anyone who tells you that is on the oligarchs' side of the barricades.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
30. Read that statement many times.
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:51 PM
May 2015

Think it was Ari Fleischer. Anyway,friends that have worked on the Hill have made similar statements about the mindset of many of our elected Senators and Representatives. One even said something to the fact that it is nothing more than a dog and pony show.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
31. Are you sure it was Ari Fleischer?
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:08 PM
May 2015

He's usually associated with Bush the Frat Boy, not Bush the Preppy.

You could be right. If I don't remember who it was, it be because it was low level adviser whom I had never heard of before, which Fleischer's position as deputy as deputy press secretary to the Preppy's re-election campaign might qualify. (Wikipedia is my friend.)

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
33. Might be totally wrong on this one,
Wed May 13, 2015, 11:15 PM
May 2015

Ari has been and was one of those guys that hung around the White House during several Republican Administrations.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
13. Well put. And corporate lawyers making the money too.
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:36 PM
May 2015

Alongside unions, longtime Repub & especially Karl Rove's "bogey men" are class action lawyers...he sees them as big Dem donors. TPP & its ISDS place class action lawsuits into corporate courts and puts the huge payoffs into the pockets of corporate lawyers..Repub donors...instead.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
17. We're all invisible and transparent for the most part. We don't have enough money or
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:53 PM
May 2015

recognition to step up to the bar. Government by the people for the people has pretty much flown the coop over the years. Now, it's Government by the wealthy for the wealthy. And democracy is available for those that can afford the admission ticket.


n2doc

(47,953 posts)
15. Funny, I can't see this thread
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:40 PM
May 2015

Tried to post a similar one in LBN, was immediately locked as a dupe, yet I still can't see this thread in LBN or greatest. Only way I got to it was that someone else posted a link. Curious.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
20. So Obama can veto the customs bill,
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:58 PM
May 2015

an sign the other.

Now I wait for the reaction from the unions on Thursday, and I
hope that they will stay strong.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. CORRUPTION. It's a corporate coup. That's all the TPP is.
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:19 PM
May 2015

THIS IS SO SAD. I COULD CRY. That these people would do that to the American middle class and poor. Incredibly cruel. The TPP will sound a death knell for freedom.

It sounds like hyperbole but it is not.

The currency bill or amendments will do nothing to correct the manipulation of currency. The currency exchanges are free and there is nothing the US can do to lower the value of our currency if others do not want to buy our goods -- and as we have seen with NAFTA -- they don't want to buy products from us.

In fact, at this point, we don't really produce much that we could sell to underdeveloped countries like Viet Nam. What would you suggest that we offer to sell to Viet Nam?

Shoes? They wouldn't be able to afford them no matter how little we charge.

India? If they wanted to buy things from us, they would.

The concept behind the trade agreement, the presumption that other, less developed countries want to buy from us, is absurd. They only want to sell to us. They do not and will not buy our products.

And besides, what do we produce that they could want or afford?

No. It's only about grabbing the wealth of the US. And weakening our country.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
32. Just to remind you of what we are up against here . .
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:50 PM
May 2015

prior to the NAFTA vote in 1993, 26 Republican Senators pledged to
vote against it if there were ANY protections for working people
or the environment included.

They have not changed a whit.

Anything that they favor must be opposed.

If we give up, they win.

Don't know about you, but I will be in the streets.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
35. 13 Dems that voted for cloture...
Thu May 14, 2015, 05:57 PM
May 2015
The Senate vote to move forward was 65 to 33.

13 Democrats joined Republicans in voting for cloture.

Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Tom Carper (D-DE)
Chris Coons (D-DE)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Tim Kaine (D-VA)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)

These 13 decided to side with their Big Business backers against labor unions, environmentalists, consumer rights advocates, and progressive advocacy groups.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/14/1384791/-Which-13-Democrats-Just-Voted-for-Cloture-on-Fast-Track


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