Diplomats: EU Has Israel Sanctions Ready, And Uncle Sam May Not Be Able To Help

[Purveyor]

Source: Jerusalem Post

Israel wishes to delay the signing of a nuclear deal between world powers and Iran, but not solely because such an agreement would be dangerous to the Jewish State.

The concern is that immediately following such an agreement, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will become the UN Security Council's and European Union's top priority, and the international community will be freed up to deal with the party it sees as responsible for the stagnation in the peace process - Israel.

This is the widely-held assumption in off-the-record conversations among diplomatic sources in New York and in Washington. "A diplomatic attack against Israel is expected soon that will surprise even the pessimists in Jerusalem," a senior Western diplomat told The Jerusalem Post's Hebrew-language sister publication, Ma'ariv. "In the Security Council, in western capitals and at EU headquarters, they are just waiting for the Iran deal to be signed and for it to be approved by the American Congress."


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Diplomatic sources involved in the western European capitals' handling of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict say that the EU has already prepared documents which list a number of sanctions that will be levied against Israel in the fields of trade, agriculture, science and culture if Jerusalem does not soon present a diplomatic initiative that leads to a meaningful breakthrough toward a solution to the conflict.

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Diplomats-EU-has-Israel-sanctions-ready-and-Uncle-Sam-may-not-be-able-to-help-405488

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. I support an peacful attempt to get them to the negotiating table.

[starroute]

2. It could also lead to wider war in the Middle East

That area is a powder keg, poised to explode. There are already allegations that the Saudis, Qatar, and Erdogan in Turkey are working together to support the allies of ISIS -- and that Israel is the unofficial fourth party.

I realize that for the EU to do nothing is not an option at this point -- but any move they make is only likely to make the Israelis more desperate and reckless.

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. ISIS may very well lead to a wider war in the middle east.

I don't expect the Israeli's to do that.

In my opinion, Israel's long term survival will hinge on a negotiated peace with the Palestinians.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

8. More reckless? Given their recent history, I don't see how that is

even possible.

[JDPriestly]

4. Me too. There are two sides to the dispute.

[JDPriestly]

3. Sadly, there is a lot of anti-Jewish feeling in Europe.

The result of close to two thousand at least years of not just Christian intolerance.

It's shameful.

[Fumesucker]

7. Arabs aren't all that popular in Europe either

I suspect they may be even less popular than Jews there.

[Jester Messiah]

9. I think we should bear in mind...

Not every position unfavorable politically to Israel is the result of antisemitism.

[JDPriestly]

10. The basic, very primitive, centuries if not millenia old antisemitism is at the root of most of it.

The most important thing is to work toward religious tolerance. Only when the countries in Europe and in Asia and the Middle East -- all of them including Saudi Arabia and Egypt, Iran, etc. as well as all the European countries, Hungary, Russia, etc. truly adopt attitudes of religious tolerance can we talk about unfavorable political attitudes toward Israel that is not the result of antisemitism to a great extent.

On DU, there is so much ready criticism of Israel but very little of countries like Egypt that systematically deprive religious minorities of rights like Coptic Christians. Israel is a democracy and its citizens enjoy rights and a democratic government that few countries in the Middle East enjoy. We should be congratulating it for the example it sets in those respects within the Middle East. If you want an intolerant, murderous regime, look to Saudi Arabia or maybe Syria. Last I heard, you could not even carry a Bible into Saudi Arabia.

Israel is way ahead of most of the Middle Eastern countries when it comes to human rights. Palestinians should negotiate a two-state solution with Israel and stop sending rockets over its border toward Israel. Anti-semitism, and the general religious intolerance in the Middle East play big roles in the constant barrage of propaganda against Israel. There is blame to be shared in the Middle East.

[geek tragedy]

11. While we appreciate you sharing Benjamin Netanyahu's talking points,

we've heard these before and we will certainly hear them again during the Republican primary debates.

[vkkv]

14. Israel attacks others as the 'Nation of Israel' but cries and defends as 'victims of Antisemitism'.

Get over it.
The rest of the world is REALLY, REALLY sick of it.

"" like Egypt that systematically deprive religious minorities of rights "" Okay, so now you want us to REDUCE our expectations of Israel?? Oh wait, that is already happening...

[JDPriestly]

18. Israel is more tolerant of non-Jews than other Middle Eastern states are of people of

religions that are not the majority religion.

Need I mention ISIS?

Tolerance is the answer.

[vkkv]

22. So that is your REASON for bombing kids, stealing land and water? Tolerance?

got it... geeezzzuzzz

Look up the death tolls, Israel has killed, what, 10 or 15 times more Palestinians then the reverse?

[JDPriestly]

31. And yet Palestinians keep sending rockets over into Israel.

The two sides need to negotiate peace including geographical boundaries

[awoke_in_2003]

30. Unless they are Palestinian. nt

[vkkv]

16. JD P wrote "" The most important thing is to work toward religious tolerance.""

Hey, if you are bombing my kids and stealing my land and WATER, I don't care if you worship Tiny Tim or Mr. Spock - I'm going to attack back.

[vkkv]

15. Well said. Many would have never thought of antisemitism until Israel brought it up!

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So other Arab nations want Israel to go away, big deal, I'm sure other countries feel the same about the U.S.. Heck, even some southern U.S. STATES would like the U.S. to go away!

[StevieM]

20. I'm not sure why you put "n/t" at the top of your post. My understanding is that "n/t" means that

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there is nothing written in the message text and that the entirety of your post is contained in the reply title.

I usually write "eom" myself.

[vkkv]

24. You are correct, sir. I didn't think I was going to add text after, will edit .. n/t

[StevieM]

27. I understand how that could happen. (eom)

[JDPriestly]

34. Hamas is reported to have executed prisoners during the most recent Israel/Palestinian

violence. No trials. Just executions. Under cover of the violence over the building of the tunnels from Palestine into Israel. We don't see much criticism of those killings. If the criticism of Israel had to do with its lawlessness or I don't know what, and not with antisemitism, then wouldn't we see a lot of criticism of Hamas for its lawlessness.

[Jester Messiah]

38. Maybe we just expect better from a supposedly modern democracy. [nt]

[closeupready]

17. There is likely far more anti-arab sentiment today

than traditional anti-Semitism.

[JDPriestly]

19. Have you heard of the Inquisitions?

Then we come up to recent times and the Holocaust and the diaspora of many Jews from the Middle East.

[closeupready]

21. I have. My turn: Have you heard of Anders Breivik?

Jean Marie le Pen? Oriana Fallaci?

[JDPriestly]

35. What are you drifing at? Are you responding to my posts?

They are all right-wing fanatics who hate anyone who is not in their club.

[vkkv]

26. Ever heard of the Crusades?? And not George W. Bush's... n/t

[JDPriestly]

28. Did you know that Muslims swept across North Africa and the Middle East, converting

among other ways by the sword and entered and converted in Spain and Southern Europe prior to the Crusades?

The Umayyad conquest of Hispania is the initial expansion of the Umayyad Caliphate over Hispania largely extending from 711 to 788. The conquest resulted in the destruction of the Visigothic Kingdom and the establishment of the independent Emirate of Cordova under Abd-ar-Rahman I, who completed the unification of Muslim-ruled Iberia, or al-Andalus (756–788). The conquest marks the westernmost expansion of both the Umayyad Caliphate and Islamic rule into Europe.

Forces commanded by Tariq ibn Ziyad disembarked in early 711 at Gibraltar at the head of an army consisting of Berber Northwest Africans and Arabs. He campaigned his way northward after the decisive Battle of Guadalete against the usurper Roderic. By 717, the Berber-Arabs had crossed the Pyrénées onto Septimania and Provence (734).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania

According to traditional accounts, the Muslim conquests (Arabic: الغزوات‎, al-Ġazawāt or Arabic: الفتوحات الإسلامية‎, al-Futūḥāt al-Islāmiyya) also referred to as the Islamic conquests or Arab conquests,[2] began with the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the 7th century. He established a new unified polity in the Arabian Peninsula which under the subsequent Rashidun (The Rightly Guided Caliphs) and Umayyad Caliphates saw a century of rapid expansion of Muslim power.

They grew well beyond the Arabian Peninsula in the form of a Muslim empire with an area of influence that stretched from the borders of China and India, across Central Asia, the Middle East, North Africa, Sicily, and the Iberian Peninsula, to the Pyrenees. Edward Gibbon writes in The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire:

Under the last of the Umayyads, the Arabian empire extended two hundred days journey from east to west, from the confines of Tartary and India to the shores of the Atlantic Ocean. And if we retrench the sleeve of the robe, as it is styled by their writers, the long and narrow province of Africa, the solid and compact dominion from Fargana to Aden, from Tarsus to Surat, will spread on every side to the measure of four or five months of the march of a caravan. We should vainly seek the indissoluble union and easy obedience that pervaded the government of Augustus and the Antonines; but the progress of Islam diffused over this ample space a general resemblance of manners and opinions. The language and laws of the Quran were studied with equal devotion at Samarcand and Seville: the Moor and the Indian embraced as countrymen and brothers in the pilgrimage of Mecca; and the Arabian language was adopted as the popular idiom in all the provinces to the westward of the Tigris.

The Muslim conquests brought about the collapse of the Sassanid Empire and a great territorial loss for the Byzantine Empire, eventually also resulting in its collapse. The reasons for the Muslim success are hard to reconstruct in hindsight, primarily because only fragmentary sources from the period have survived. Most historians agree that the Sassanid Persian and Byzantine Roman empires were militarily and economically exhausted from decades of fighting one another. The rapid fall of Visigothic Spain remains less easily explicable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

http://waddlez.blogspot.com/2008/05/muslim-conquest-of-byzantium.html

I hate to break the news, but the Christian Crusades occurred several centuries after the Muslim conquest of that same area.

The First Crusade (1096–1099) was the first of a number of crusades that attempted to capture the Holy Lands, called by Pope Urban II in 1095. It started as a widespread pilgrimage in western christendom and ended as a military expedition by Roman Catholic Europe to regain the Holy Lands taken in the Muslim conquests of the Levant (632–661), ultimately resulting in the recapture of Jerusalem in 1099. It was launched on 27 November 1095 by Pope Urban II with the primary goal of responding to an appeal from Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos, who requested that western volunteers come to his aid and help to repel the invading Seljuq Turks from Anatolia. An additional goal soon became the principal objective—the Christian reconquest of the sacred city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land and the freeing of the Eastern Christians from Muslim rule.

During the crusade, knights, peasants and serfs from many nations of Western Europe travelled over land and by sea, first to Constantinople and then on towards Jerusalem. The Crusaders arrived at Jerusalem, launched an assault on the city, and captured it in July 1099, massacring many of the city's Muslim, Christian, and Jewish inhabitants. They also established the crusader states of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the County of Tripoli, the Principality of Antioch, and the County of Edessa.

The First Crusade was followed by the Second to the Ninth Crusades. It was also the first major step towards reopening international trade in the West since the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Because the First Crusade was largely concerned with Jerusalem, a city which had not been under Christian dominion for 461 years, and the crusader army had refused to return the land to the control of the Byzantine Empire, the status of the First Crusade as defensive or as aggressive in nature remains controversial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

With regard to Palestine, it was a Roman (Christian) and Jewish country until it was invaded by Muslims.

The Muslim Arab army attacked Jerusalem, held by the Byzantine Romans, in November, 636. For four months the siege continued. Ultimately, the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, agreed to surrender Jerusalem to Caliph Umar in person. Caliph Umar, then at Medina, agreed to these terms and traveled to Jerusalem to sign the capitulation in the spring of 637. Sophronius also negotiated a pact with Caliph Umar, known as the Umariyya Covenant or Covenant of Omar, allowing for religious freedom for Christians in exchange for jizya, a tax to be paid by conquered non-Muslims, called "dhimmis." Under Muslim Rule, the Christian and Jewish population of Jerusalem in this period enjoyed the usual tolerance given to non-Muslim theists.[3] [4]

Having accepted the surrender, Caliph Umar then entered Jerusalem with Sophronius "and courteously discoursed with the patriarch concerning its religious antiquities".[14] When the hour for his prayer came, Umar was in the Anastasis, but refused to pray there, lest in the future the Muslims should use that as an excuse to break the treaty and confiscate the church. The Mosque of Omar,opposite the doors of the Anastasis, with the tall minaret, is known as the place to which he retired for his prayer.

According to the historian James William Parkes, during the 1st century after the Arab conquest (640–740), the caliph and governors of Syria and the Holy Land ruled entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. He further states that apart from the Bedouin in the earliest days, the only Arabs west of the Jordan were the garrisons.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Palestine

Countries are invaded and new ruling groups take over.

[JDPriestly]

32. The Crusades took place several centuries after the Muslims converted in part by sword

the people of Palestine. Everybody talks about the Crusades, but forget the historical fact that in the first place, Palestine, Jewish Palestine was invaded by the Romans and then by the Muslims and was invaded numerous times throughout history.

[JDPriestly]

33. Maybe. Maybe it's one and the same sentiment.

But if the anti-Arab sentiment were greater than anti-Semitism, wouldn't Europeans be considering polices that would harm Arab states more than Israel?

[closeupready]

37. You know what - yesterday, this seemed important, but

I realize now, it's not, and I'm not here to spar with people.

So you know, you're 100% entitled to your opinion. Have a great day.

[davidpdx]

6. I'm not very optimistic

If the negotiations with Iran fall through that will pretty much take away any leverage that was going to used to bring Israel to the table and then we are back at the status quo. It's a win/win for Israel.

[geek tragedy]

12. Israel is in no position to delay the agreement, they are not a party

to those negotiations, for good reason.

[davidpdx]

39. I know that

But they are rooting for the thing to fall apart.

[vkkv]

25. EU sanctions are going to sting! n/t

[vkkv]

13. 'Bout TIME ! ! n/t

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

23. Sanction the freaks!

[geek tragedy]

29. Wishful thinking. nt

[t99tank]

36. good

good