MI6 death: 'Unlikely' Gareth Williams got in bag alone

[shawn703]

Source: BBC News

It is "highly unlikely" MI6 officer Gareth Williams got into the bag he was found dead in alone, the coroner heading the seven-day inquest has said.

Fiona Wilcox said it was "unlikely" his death would "ever be satisfactorily explained" but "was killed unlawfully" "on balance of probabilities".

The body of the 31-year-old code-breaker from Anglesey was found locked in a bag in his London flat.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17922388#TWEET136322

[MannyGoldstein]

1. What the !@#$ is going on here?

Not good at all.

[JDPriestly]

2. Not the first questionable "suicide" among British spies or scientists involved

in secret matters. There is something very strange and strange on a primitive level going on.

This death could have been due, of course, to some unusual sexual behavior. If it was a murder and it was the result of some sexual conduct, it should be easily solved.

If it wasn't, there is something fishy about this.

The perpetrators are not even bothering to be secretive or subtle about these deaths.

Is there a link? If so, are these deaths intended to send a message? To intimidate?

[MADem]

3. I agree with you. Something is fishy here.

And not just in the sense that Brit covert types are ending up dead.

They are ending up dead in ways that are raising suspicion.

Surely, if the 'covert powers that be' wanted to kill someone, they could run him over with a bus, have him slip and hit his head in the shower, arrange for him to die from a freak dog bite, or give him one of those heart attacks that sometimes happen to people in surprising ways. Why have a guy end up dead in a way that makes everyone wonder "WTF?"

[Ghost Dog]

4. It is not the country, they are not the people we used to know. Something is rotten.

They have sold their soul.

Put Blair on trial. Then perhaps we shall know

more.

[MADem]

7. My point is, though, that if they are evil that doesn't make them stupid.

If you're trying to "off" someone who is a danger to your pursuit and maintenance of power, that's not the way to do it. A simple car wreck or an unfortunate mugging in a "bad part of town" are much more easily explained away.

Something's fishy with this death. I don't think Blair has a damn thing to do with it.

[JDPriestly]

6. I would not assume that he was the victim of a murder to cover up or hide some facts he

knew, but it is a strong possibility -- as is the possibility that he was killed by someone with whom he had a, shall we say, "social" relationship.

[MADem]

8. I don't pretend to be up-to-speed on the latest peculiarities in social relationships~

...but that's certainly...er...different...?

It would make more sense than the suspicion that some shadowy power broker did the deed, certainly!

[JDPriestly]

9. I view it as one of those open questions.

To assume one answer or another without evidence is just conjecture.

But then you don't recognize the relationship of evidence to conjecture unless you first consider alternative theories -- unless you indulge in conjecture.

So, imagination is a useful tool in solving problems provided we don't assume that our imaginings are fact until we are certain about the evidence for them.

That's why I actually like conspiracy theories although I recognize that they are just conjecture and speculation.

[MADem]

10. I am a huge fan of speculation, even if it isn't terribly creative.

Sometimes, the craziest ideas turn out to be true.

Some years ago, conversation in my family turned to the ever-popular "Where's Osama?" question. The oldest person at the table said "Hiding out next door to the police station!" Of course, we all had a good laugh, but it turned out that theory wasn't far off the mark!

[JDPriestly]

13. Yes. I always figured that if he was alive, he had to be in Pakistan or Iran, more

likely Pakistan. I figured that our government knew where he was and followed his electronic communications. I might be right about the communications. I might be wrong. The stories coming out of D.C. are confused.

[MADem]

15. The story I'm hearing is that his first wife was the one who lowered the boom.

Maybe she got the reward--that amount of scratch would give her, as a widow, a few options!

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. Not especially

the evidence is that Williams' death was the result of bondage play gone horribly wrong; there was evidence of him having visited websites related to claustrophilia (a sexual fetish for enclosure in small spaces) and BDSM, his landlady had had to come into his flat and untie him from the bed...the whole thing seems pretty unfortunate, but there's a much simpler explanation than some sinister conspiracy. Ockham's razor.

[MADem]

12. Perhaps Occam was the fellah who put him in the bag!

If those particularities are, in fact, part of the man's history, well, indeed...those hoofbeats sound like horses, then!

[JDPriestly]

14. We will not know for sure.

But there are some things you cannot mess with. It is perfectly possible that this has nothing to do with his espionage or code activities. He may have lead two lives. (You may be too young to remember that book/film.)

[Quantess]

5. No way was that a suicide.

Too bizzarre.