Rival challenges Clinton to say where she stands on trade

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By KEN THOMAS

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is urging Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton to say exactly where she stands on President Barack Obama's trade agenda.

Sanders says if Clinton is against the trade proposal, opponents need her to speak out against it "right now."

Sanders says he doesn't understand how any candidate could lack an opinion on giving the president "fast track" negotiating authority and the proposed trade deal with 12 Pacific Rim nations. He opposes both.

The House is set to vote Friday on the "fast-track" trade authority.

FULL story at link. Also see this GD post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026814023

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cb6cae542a4d4df980c5dfa880e46985/rival-challenges-clinton-say-where-she-stands-trade

[leftofcool]

1. I think Hillary has already stated her position.

But, I suppose Bernie can keep asking until the cows come home.

[Omaha Steve]

2. So is she for or against the fast track, TPP, etc?

I'm confused.

[frylock]

3. Clinton has stated that she has been for trade agreements, and against trade agreements..

that's as far as she's willing to commit to taking a position.

[rurallib]

7. plus she said she wants to see the whole treaty

well, wouldn't we all?

We are in Iowa. Her staff is working us hard. I keep asking what her position is on TPP, TTIP and TISA. They tell me she is waiting to see the treaty. I say we've seen enough to know there are some killer clauses in there.

Coming out against it after it has passed is bad strategy.

[frylock]

8. It's the Clinton way

[underthematrix]

28. LOL someone posted treaty to

theobamadiary.com

[awoke_in_2003]

44. She was for it before she was against it

That strategy worked out well for Kerry, too.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

4. Well, I have not seen that. You have a link?

She seems to be avoiding it at all costs. Please prove me wrong.

[erronis]

13. Please don't hold your breath till you turn blue (as in asphyxia).

Maybe she wants to wait a few years to see how it affects the country.

I'm afraid that the definition of "the country" no longer includes the regular people.

[on point]

6. So far she has said she is holding a waffle while firmly sitting on the fence. She needs to lead!

[Dawgs]

11. So, you think, which means you don't know. And yet you criticize Bernie for asking.

Maybe you should find out FOR SURE next time.

[NorthCarolina]

18. So you "Think" she has stated her position?

What makes you "think" that?

[daleanime]

22. Hearing her statement.....

her position is hedged in every direction. If you weren't unsure about her stand before listening to her, you will be afterwards.

[marmar]

5. Hillary stands firmly on all sides of the issue.

[jalan48]

9. Hillary supports what is best for the country.

Details to be worked out after she is elected.........

[LiberalArkie]

10. Bernie does not understand it takes some time to get a focus group together and then

to examine the data and their donors viewpoint to see where she stands. He can't expect other people to have opinions and say what they are off the cuff. Look at how long it took for Obama's opinions on gays to evolve. Or Bill Clintons for that matter.

[awoke_in_2003]

45. I will take exception on that one

Pres. Obama came out in support of marriage equality during his re-election campaign. He evolved, just like I have. He could have vacillated, but he didn't. That took guts.

[MannyGoldstein]

12. She's CLEARLY stated that she's

in favor of good things, and against bad things.

What part of that is unclear?

[marym625]

15. +1000

[daleanime]

23. The definition of 'good things' and 'bad things'.....

to be presented to the american people 90 days after her elections.

[Art_from_Ark]

41. Good things:

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens

Bad things:
Dog bites
Bee stings
Feelin' bad

[awoke_in_2003]

46. Now I have an ear worm

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
These are a few of my favorite things

Cream colored ponies and crisp apple streudels
Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles
Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings
These are a few of my favorite things

Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes
Silver white winters that melt into springs
These are a few of my favorite things

When the dog bites
When the bee stings
When I'm feeling sad
I simply remember my favorite things
And then I don't feel so bad

[frylock]

36. Why hasn't Sanders spoken up about the good things?

I don't think that Sanders likes the good things.

[marym625]

14. K&R!

I have been saying this since she announced. So glad Bernie Sanders has challenged her to come forward.

I think it's cowardly not to.

[RufusTFirefly]

16. Hillary has a "secret plan." Details to follow on Jan. 20, 2017. n/t

[mrdmk]

37. The last time I heard of a, "Secret Plan" was the year of 1967

Trying to think of who said that...

[Enthusiast]

17. I am so against this trade deal. The DU TPP cheerleaders have no good argument.

I cannot vote for a Democrat that supports the TPP and TTIP.

[MisterP]

25. same story since 2001

"the Dems would NEVER vote us into Iraq!"
*Dems vote us into Iraq*
"the Dems would NEVER keep us in Iraq!"
*Dems keep us in Iraq*
"Libya would NEVER dissolve into chaos!"
*Libya dissolves into chaos*
"Dems would NEVER try to cut SS and Medicare!"
*Catfood Commission appears, fails, is denied*
"Dems would NEVER try to invade Syria!"
*only London stops the US from re-doing Libya*

[Enthusiast]

39. And the cheerleaders wonder why we have a problem with the TPP.

[MisterP]

40. they're always so baffled when anyone acts like repeated past events are any predictor for future

behavior: "b-but they MADE A SPEECH!"

[NorthCarolina]

19. I believe she\s likely waiting for it to pass

so she can safely imply she would have "voted against it". That's all the media will need to then run that ball downfield for her from there.

[Kip Humphrey]

20. Please note: Congress votes on TPA Friday; Hillary gives economic speech Saturday.

Oh well. What is one to do? Fast track is a now fact (expectation). Once that happens, Hillary is free to be critical without risk of interfering with the process. Smart politics, lousy leadership.

[olddots]

21. I'm not going to say this ...promise

Hillary sounds like she is channeling Romney .

See I didn't say it .

[raindaddy]

24. An uncomfortable position for Hillary, she has three choices.....

There are a lot of questions about our corrupt fraudulent economic system Hillary is going to try and avoid... She's taking a whole lot of money from Wall Street and the global corporations who not only like the system the way it is, but want to increase their control and profit....She has three choices, she can continue to avoid the question. Betray her corporate/ Wall Street backers, or lie to the public..

Get out your lie detectors!!!

[leftofcool]

29. Did you just call a former First Lady, a US Senator, a former SOS and a Democrat a "liar?"

[DeadLetterOffice]

30. Do you think that any of these titles/memberships...

... makes one exempt from lying?

[Man from Pickens]

32. are you insinuiating that a career politician is not a liar?

should I file that under "willful ignorance" or "shockingly naive"?

[raindaddy]

34. I said she had three options.. Lying being one of them..

Are you saying you're naive enough to believe politicians are above lying?

[Paulie]

35. She was the country's chief diplomat

Dissembling goes with the job description.

[denem]

26. Seriously, how is this LBN?

nt

[Omaha Steve]

27. So LBN is down to the cat fight level

Then how is this LBN? : http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141115106

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[ellisonz]

38. +1

haha

[They_Live]

31. I kind of wished that the headline

had said "Sanders" instead of just "Rival".

[Art_from_Ark]

47. I noticed that, too

Just another attempt to marginalize Bernie.

[wildbilln864]

42. thank you again Mr. Sanders! n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

43. 'Rival'

Just some guy, you know. Nobody's ever heard of him. Don't know who he thinks he is...

Like they couldn't have said 'Sanders'.

Or maybe they didn't want to.

[BlueStater]

48. His name is "Sanders", Associated Press, not "Rival".

Was identifying him in the headline too much trouble or something?