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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:17 PM Jun 2015

Spokane, Washington NAACP Branch Stands Behind President Rachel Dolezal

Source: Slate.com

The NAACP has issued a statement in support of Dolezal that reads in part:

NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. One’s racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership. The NAACP Alaska-Oregon-Washington State Conference stands behind Ms. Dolezal’s advocacy record... [W]e encourage Americans of all stripes to become members and serve as leaders in our organization.
The NAACP's statement also addressed, indirectly, the questions raised about the threats Dolezal says arrived in her chapter's post office box:

Hate language sent through mail and social media along with credible threats continue to be a serious issue for our units in the Pacific Northwest and across the nation. We take all threats seriously and encourage the FBI and the Department of Justice to fully investigate each occurrence. Rachel Dolezal is an adjunct professor of Africana Studies at Eastern Washington University. She was elected president of the Spokane NAACP last year. She serves as the chair of an ombudsman commission to represent the interests of the area's minority groups in relations with the Spokane police.

Her parents say that Dolezal has been falsely presenting herself as black for years when she is actually of "Swedish, Czech, and Geman" background with some possible traces of Native American heritage, reports the Seattle Times.

Read more: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/12/rachel_dolezal_naacp_official_college_professor_accused_of_pretending_to.html

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Spokane, Washington NAACP Branch Stands Behind President Rachel Dolezal (Original Post) big_dog Jun 2015 OP
I'm glad they took that approach! n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #1
awesome! k&r big_dog Jun 2015 #2
I don't care what her race is heaven05 Jun 2015 #8
What a beautiful response. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #3
Dr King would be proud! big_dog Jun 2015 #4
Sad.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #5
On the radio today a guest said she was raised with some foster children from Africa and Cleita Jun 2015 #6
Yes... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #10
And a lot of sub-literate half-wits pretend to know that differenc LanternWaste Jun 2015 #11
Well, well... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #15
What difference would the DNA make? cosmicone Jun 2015 #17
It would establish her ethnicity for critics including her parents and wouldn't it be a vindication Cleita Jun 2015 #31
And don't forget the role the NAACP played in the Shirley Sherrod debacle rocktivity Jun 2015 #45
Video: watch the Shirley Sherrod speech in full struggle4progress Jun 2015 #47
While I think.. sendero Jun 2015 #7
Wow. I can't imagine parents intentionally publicly humiliating their child like that. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #9
Who else could technically.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #13
Her parents could have just said "no comment." SunSeeker Jun 2015 #16
It's up to them. LisaL Jun 2015 #19
I saw no comments by the parents about that. They just talked about her race. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #23
She also claimed to be getting hate mail. LisaL Jun 2015 #25
If it turns out she provided a false report to the FBI, that's a felony. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #26
She has maintained that her parents whipped her like a slave because snagglepuss Jun 2015 #28
Her not wanting anything to do with her ethnic identity isn't going to change that identity. LisaL Jun 2015 #20
Why not? If you can change your sex, why not your ethnic identity? SunSeeker Jun 2015 #21
So I see. LisaL Jun 2015 #22
She is whatever she wants to be. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #24
She spread lies about them. She says they have lied about her snagglepuss Jun 2015 #27
I did not read that in the OP. Got a link? SunSeeker Jun 2015 #29
Daily Mail UK may be a rag but they have thoroughly snagglepuss Jun 2015 #30
See my Post #32. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #33
That DailyMail article you cite doesn't say that. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #32
Yes it does snagglepuss Jun 2015 #34
It doesn't say they did it because of her race. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #35
I never used the word race . She refers to skin complexion snagglepuss Jun 2015 #36
The words "because of" are just not there. Nor is "skin color." SunSeeker Jun 2015 #37
Where do you get the notion that skin color is different from complexion? snagglepuss Jun 2015 #39
Webster's. Give it a rest. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #40
Webster's provides denotation, not connotation. Psephos Jun 2015 #41
I can't imagine doing that to my child, either mainer Jun 2015 #43
She needs help itsrobert Jun 2015 #12
Exactly!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #14
Did anybody actually send her this hate mail? LisaL Jun 2015 #18
So the NAACP isn't throwing her under the bus? Fumesucker Jun 2015 #38
The signs were there Bosonic Jun 2015 #42
hahahahaha d_b Jun 2015 #44
There is good reason to believe that she is not of sound mind rocktivity Jun 2015 #46
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
8. I don't care what her race is
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jun 2015

according to american cultural standards. As long as her commitment to justice and equality is proof that she is trying to make the human race better, I'm satisfied with her. That person on here saying "she should get help", should be ashamed of him or herself. I'd want her to represent me in matters of racial equality and justice before you.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
5. Sad....
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jun 2015

They need to get Rachel help and treatment. Until she claims her race, there is a problem. Rachel can have an affinity with the African-American community and even possibly continue serving as NAACP President in Spokane, Washington but, she cannot claim she is something culturally that she is not.

Also, the NAACP have indeed initially made poor decisions before, they had to walk back....

"The Donald Sterling scandal has claimed collateral damage: the president of the NAACP's Los Angeles chapter.

Leon Jenkins resigned Thursday, after the civil rights group came under fire for its plans to present a lifetime achievement award to the Los Angeles Clippers owner.

Meanwhile on Friday, Sterling's purported girlfriend said through her attorney she was merely a platonic friend, with no sexual relationship with the NBA team owner.

Sterling is accused of making racist comments against African-Americans in an audio recording that surfaced last weekend that purportedly depict an argument between Sterling and V. Stiviano.

On Friday, Sterling was quoted on DuJour.com as saying "I wish I had just paid her off" in reference to Stiviano. The site, which specified that Sterling was referring to Stiviano in a discussion with one of its writers, didn't state when the remark was made.

Sterling isn't the only one reeling in the controversy.

The uproar also struck one of the nation's leading civil rights groups, the NAACP, whose Los Angeles chapter rescinded Monday its offer to give Sterling a lifetime achievement honor once Sterling's racist remarks came to light.

But that reversal was apparently too late. The outcry was too much for the group."


http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/us/los-angeles-naacp-sterling-controversy/

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. On the radio today a guest said she was raised with some foster children from Africa and
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jun 2015

took her identity from them. But I suppose taking her DNA may settle the issue.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
10. Yes...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jun 2015

Her parents adopted four African-American children and she was raised with them but, she's not the only person raised with children of a different race.

Yet, amazingly, not only did she decide to have a deep connection to her siblings (that's understandable of course) -- but take it a big step further and claim their race.

Wonder how her Siblings feel about that?

Also, Rachel removed herself from the family, news reports cite. So, if she cared as deeply about her adopted Brothers and Sisters, it would seem as if she would have kept the connections with them, even if she denied a relationship with her parents, correct?

Rachel was living a "ruse" plain and simple.

Last point, while attending Howard University - an highly respected, historically African-American institution of Higher Learning - Rachel received a scholarship -- yet had no problems then identifying as Caucasian.

Heck, she married a African-American Man without the "hair" and "tanning" ruse -- and her parents along with her adopted siblings attended the wedding (there's a photo to prove this by the way).



So, yes -- there is a difference between having a deep affinity and RESPECT for the African-American culture, and "passing" as African-American. Rachel surely KNEW the difference and choose, otherwise.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. And a lot of sub-literate half-wits pretend to know that differenc
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jun 2015

"So, yes -- there is a difference between having a deep affinity..."

And a lot of sub-literate half-wits pretend to know that difference while yet lacking all necessary and relevant information.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
15. Well, well...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

Do tell....

Would I be a Sub-Literate Half-Wit (if such four words connected by a "-" exist) if one was African-American. And a Woman to boot?

Inquiring minds want to know and in particular, this inquiring mind?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
17. What difference would the DNA make?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jun 2015

As long as she is working to further the goals of the NAACP and doing a good job at it, her race is irrelevant and immaterial.

There is no difference between a qualified candidate being denied a job because he/she is white or because he/she is black.

Good for the NAACP to stand up for her.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
31. It would establish her ethnicity for critics including her parents and wouldn't it be a vindication
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jun 2015

if she has African ancestors as many white people do and aren't aware of? Other than that your concerns have nothing to do with my suggestion. I never said the NAACP were wrong to stand up for her that she didn't do a good job or that she should be denied a job because of her ethnicity. Where did you read that?

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
45. And don't forget the role the NAACP played in the Shirley Sherrod debacle
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:30 AM - Edit history (2)

They demanded her resignation even though it was a video of an NAACP speech that the late Breit-barf had doctored!


rocktivity

struggle4progress

(118,348 posts)
47. Video: watch the Shirley Sherrod speech in full
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jun 2015
... It was selectively edited to cast her in a negative light. Here is the video, shot by the local NAACP unit that hosted Ms. Sherrod ...
http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/video_sherrod/

sendero

(28,552 posts)
7. While I think..
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jun 2015

.... it is wrong to lie about your race or ethnicity, I don't see what that has to do with her position. In the NAACP thinks she is doing a good job that is their call.

SunSeeker

(51,709 posts)
9. Wow. I can't imagine parents intentionally publicly humiliating their child like that.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jun 2015

I can see why she wants nothing to do with the ethnic identity of her birth.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
13. Who else could technically....
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

Out her "Ruse" besides her parents? Who's to say that the Local Media (which they can do, since Birth Certificates are PUBLIC RECORDS) obtained the public record of Rachel's birth and confronted the parents with it? What should have parents have done in this case, continue to lie or deny what they knew was true for Rachel's sake?

Then there is the "Hate Mail" issue which likely started the local media's investigation of Rachel's background in the first place....

SPOKANE, Wash. -
A police report raises questions about reports of threatening hate mail sent to Spokane's NAACP president. Major Crimes detectives have concluded that the mail was never processed, despite showing up in the organization's post office box.

Rachel Dolezal, president of Spokane's NAACP chapter, said she found an envelope containing threatening mail in the post office box on North Monroe in February. The 20 pages of notes included pictures and lynchings and words like "war pig."

"I was immediately struck by guns pointed towards me," Dolezal told KXLY of the pictures in February.

Spokane Police took possession of the envelope and dusted for fingerprints. Investigators then went back to the Rosewood post office where the NAACP gets its mail in a locked box.

Postal workers told detectives the envelope had not been canceled, time stamped or imprinted with the bar code that directs mail to the right destination. According to the police report, the postal inspector told detectives, "The only way this letter could have ended up in this P.O. box would be if it was placed there by someone with a key to that box or a USPS employee."

Police then interviewed the three postal employees who put mail in post office boxes and none of them remember seeing the envelope. They all said they've never seen mail end up in a box without the barcode. All three said, at the very least, they would have canceled the stamps.

The detective wrote, "I have no reason to believe any of these employees were involved in putting the letters in this post office box."

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/questions-raised-about-naacp-hate-mail-report/33512308

SunSeeker

(51,709 posts)
16. Her parents could have just said "no comment."
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

They were under no obligation to speak to reporters. Who else could "out" her? Like you said, the reporters could get her birth certificate, so no need for the parents to say anything.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
19. It's up to them.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe they are upset she is claiming somebody else as her father, don't you think?

SunSeeker

(51,709 posts)
23. I saw no comments by the parents about that. They just talked about her race.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jun 2015

And apparently provided private photos of her as a child to reporters. It's not clear they even knew about her calling a black man her "dad" in a social media post.

Why are you so angry at her? She devoted herself to fighting for civil rights as part of her work with the NAACP, and as far as I can tell, has not hurt anyone.

She clearly has family issues, but that's her business.

SunSeeker

(51,709 posts)
26. If it turns out she provided a false report to the FBI, that's a felony.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jun 2015

But claiming to be black when your parents are white is not a crime.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
20. Her not wanting anything to do with her ethnic identity isn't going to change that identity.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jun 2015

She identified somebody as her father who apparently isn't. Can you imagine doing that to your parents?

"Earlier this week, KXLY4 asked Dolezal about a photo posted to the NAACP chapter’s Facebook page of a black man identified as Dolezal’s father."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/12/spokane-naacp-president-rachel-dolezal-may-be-white/

SunSeeker

(51,709 posts)
21. Why not? If you can change your sex, why not your ethnic identity?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jun 2015

And yes, I can imagine calling someone else my dad. With what my dad did to me, I have often wished someone else was my dad.

Not clear what went wrong with that family, but it is obviously dysfunctional. No reason to pile on.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
27. She spread lies about them. She says they have lied about her
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jun 2015

real father, she says they whipped her like a slave because of her skin color. To name a few.


They have every right to clear their names. That people are defending a compulsive liar is shocking.

SunSeeker

(51,709 posts)
32. That DailyMail article you cite doesn't say that.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jun 2015

It says she accused them of beating her, but not because of her skin color. It doesn't say why they beat her. It certainly doesn't say "they whipped her like a slave because of her skin color."

And it doesn't appear she made those allegations recently, but as part of legal proceedings years ago to gain custody of her adopted brother from her parents, and she was apparently granted custody of her adopted brother. That appears to be when the bad blood between her and her parents began and when they stopped speaking.

As the link LisaL provided states,

The Dolezals, it should be noted, are a family divided. Parents Lawrence and Ruthanne and brothers Ezra and Zach do not speak with their sister because, they say, she alleged abuse in the family and obtained custody of her 21-year-old brother Izaiah. Izaiah, who is black, lives with Rachel Dolezal in Spokane — and Rachel says he is her son, the family alleged.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/12/spokane-naacp-president-rachel-dolezal-may-be-white/

A court does not easily transfer custody like that. There has to be some pretty major dysfunction in that family.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
34. Yes it does
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jun 2015

"Dolezal's claim her parents punished her 'by skin complexion' with a 'baboon whip' reminiscent of those once used on slaves."

SunSeeker

(51,709 posts)
35. It doesn't say they did it because of her race.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:31 PM - Edit history (1)

It just describes bizarre punishments. It doesn't say why she was punished. Her parents were Christian missionaries in Africa. Maybe that's where they got that baboon whip, whatever that is. I don’t even know what punishing "by skin complexion" even means.

Mind you, the court apparently agreed with her and gave her custody of her adopted brother.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
36. I never used the word race . She refers to skin complexion
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jun 2015

which is the same thing as skin color which is what i stated.

SunSeeker

(51,709 posts)
37. The words "because of" are just not there. Nor is "skin color."
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jun 2015

Complexion is not the same as race or skin color. You're reading words that aren't there. But you're entitled to your opinion.

I can see that you care about this story a whole lot more than I do.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
39. Where do you get the notion that skin color is different from complexion?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jun 2015

Black people have darkly complected skin; white people have lightly complected skin.

You are reading the words but missing the sense. "by skin complexion" means (according to her), the parents used her complexion (which according to her is black) as a determining factor to mete out their punishment.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
41. Webster's provides denotation, not connotation.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:44 AM
Jun 2015

I have to go with Snagglepuss for the real meaning here.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
43. I can't imagine doing that to my child, either
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 06:53 AM
Jun 2015

There must be some bitter, bitter blood between them. I would have said "no comment."

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
18. Did anybody actually send her this hate mail?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jun 2015

"Postal workers, meanwhile, told police that hate mail Dolezal said she received at the NAACP’s post office box in Spokane was not processed by a post office, as it had no date stamp or bar code. Postal workers suggested the mail was put there by someone with a key to the box. The Spokesman-Review noted, however, that similar mail was sent to that newspaper and the Spokane Valley Police Department postmarked from Oakland, Calif."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/12/spokane-naacp-president-rachel-dolezal-may-be-white/

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
46. There is good reason to believe that she is not of sound mind
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:28 AM - Edit history (6)

The NAACP must remove her from office -- pending a psychological evaluation, at least.


rocktivity

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