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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 07:20 PM Jun 2015

Obama administration clears way for hostages' families to pay ransom

Source: The Guardian

The families of more than 30 American hostages currently held around the world were given a green light by the White House to negotiate private ransom payments, despite a longstanding ban on making concessions to terrorist groups.

Barack Obama confirmed new policies on Wednesday for communicating with terrorist groups, and for families to pay ransoms to hostage-takers.

Despite insisting the US government would continue its policy of not making direct “concessions” or payments to hostage takers, the president met with families and former hostages at the White House and announced it would help arrange talks, and would not prosecute those involved in ransom negotiations.

“The last thing we should ever do is add to a family’s pain with threats like that,” Obama said.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/24/obama-administration-hostages-families-ransom



Basically this undoes the "material support" charges families previously could face for making ransom payments.
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Obama administration clears way for hostages' families to pay ransom (Original Post) Recursion Jun 2015 OP
That's a terrible policy Renew Deal Jun 2015 #1
Ransoms are already paid all the time Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2015 #16
This is a terrible idea iandhr Jun 2015 #2
I like it...This needs to be done. randys1 Jun 2015 #3
“The last thing we should ever do is add to a family’s pain with threats like that,” Obama said. Cha Jun 2015 #4
The rich can afford to pay... dencol Jun 2015 #5
Yup. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #12
Uhh yeah, because that happens a lot Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2015 #15
incredibly short sighted policy there.... pipoman Jun 2015 #6
Ka-$$$-Ching Bosonic Jun 2015 #7
Would a jury really convict a hostage's family for paying ransom? bluestateguy Jun 2015 #8
That's roughly where this leaves us Recursion Jun 2015 #13
And that's where it should have left us--not with "legally clear." Igel Jun 2015 #18
Juries convict cancer patients for christx30 Jun 2015 #17
Cue Fox with faux Outrage....totally forgetting their faux outrage a year ago when the policy was not changed. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #9
Dumb Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #10
Terrible idea. And making a speech about it is even worse. 7962 Jun 2015 #11
Excuse me what?!? Fearless Jun 2015 #14

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
1. That's a terrible policy
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jun 2015

Criminals and terrorists around the world will start scooping up Americans for ransom.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
4. “The last thing we should ever do is add to a family’s pain with threats like that,” Obama said.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 07:28 PM
Jun 2015

Mahalo Recursion

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
12. Yup.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jun 2015

One of those 'No sleeping under the bridge' policies.

It's 'fair' to millionaires and homeless folks alike - neither of them can sleep under the bridge.

Here, it's just 'Anyone can pay ransom for friends and family', once again ignoring the fact that only the rich can afford to.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
15. Uhh yeah, because that happens a lot
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:59 PM
Jun 2015

One minute you're waiting for a bus to get to your job at Wal-Mart in Milwaukee, the next minute you're kidnapped by a Nigerian gang in Lagos!

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
8. Would a jury really convict a hostage's family for paying ransom?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jun 2015

Would a jury actually convict a grieving, desperate family that just wants their loved one home, for paying a ransom?

I doubt it.

The best thing is for the State Department to strongly discourage families from paying the ransom, but NOT make threats or forbid families from doing so.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. That's roughly where this leaves us
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jun 2015

US policy and LEO advice remain the same, but families are legally clear to negotiate if they choose.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
18. And that's where it should have left us--not with "legally clear."
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jun 2015

But leaving it up to case law to actually decide. If juries find the duress defense valid, then it's valid. That's really a decision for the courts--in this case, citizen juries--to make.

Otherwise we have another law that the Executive has simply decided is rescinded in some situations because he doesn't like it, taking power away from the Judiciary and citizens and reducing the power of the Legislature.

Perhaps we need a Constitutional amendment:

"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" -->

"he shall take Care that only the Laws he approves of be faithfully executed".

What would we say if Reagan had simply instructed the Justice department to not investigate or prosecute any Voting Rights Act violations? Or Title IX violations? "Prosecutorial discretion"?

I know what we say over things Reagan did that skirt or ignored the laws, because as president he swore to uphold the Constitution, which includes the part about "taking care that the laws be faithfully executed," and I can't help but notice that the word "Executive" has "execute" (as in "the Laws&quot as its root. "Executive" didn't mean "top ranked" but "with the power to carry out or perform," and all authority to execute the laws in the Executive branch starts with one person--the President.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
17. Juries convict cancer patients for
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jun 2015

using the drug to help their symptoms. They are told to put aside any personal feelings for why the defendant broke the law, and focus on the fact that the law was broken.
So, yes, I can see a jury convicting someone for it. The law is supposed to be heartless. It's up to the administration to decide whether or not to prosecute people for it.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Cue Fox with faux Outrage....totally forgetting their faux outrage a year ago when the policy was not changed.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jun 2015
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
11. Terrible idea. And making a speech about it is even worse.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jun 2015

If the govt isnt going to prosecute private citizens for paying a ransom, just stop doing it. Dont ANNOUNCE it. And it had never happend anyway! So there was a press conference about the solution to a problem that didnt really exist
Soon as you start paying ransoms you'll get a ton more abductions.

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