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Zorro

(15,749 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:13 AM Jun 2015

Obama scolds heckler: 'You're in my house'

Source: AP

President Barack Obama took on a heckler head-on at a gay pride month reception at the White House Wednesday, scolding the protester for being disrespectful in "my house."

The heckler had interrupted Obama's remarks by protesting the detention and deportation of gay, lesbian and transgender immigrants.

The president responded, "Hold on a second." When the heckler persisted, Obama, flashing an exasperated look, countered, "OK, you know what?" Wagging his finger and shaking his head, Obama said, "No, no, no, no, no," repeating the word more than a dozen times.

As the heckler continued to talk over him, Obama took it up a notch.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-undeniable-shift-attitudes-gay-marriage-220424658--politics.html

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Obama scolds heckler: 'You're in my house' (Original Post) Zorro Jun 2015 OP
Nice video at the link. I can't embed it, but it's worth a click through to see it. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #1
It's OUR house, Mr. President. frylock Jun 2015 #2
Yeah, but he's living in it, and nobody is heckling you. Aristus Jun 2015 #3
Yeah, imagine Jeb Bush making a comment like that frylock Jun 2015 #6
Hecklers take their chances. Aristus Jun 2015 #7
Was this in the residence? If not, it's the office, period. What was it that Hillary said a while 24601 Jun 2015 #8
Second. NT. Doctor Who Jun 2015 #24
He lives there on our dime, and to do our work demwing Jun 2015 #9
Wow. Begrudging his residency in the White House. Aristus Jun 2015 #10
Is Obama giving you a sad? snooper2 Jun 2015 #33
He is a citizen; so by your logic it's his house too. n/t sarge43 Jun 2015 #5
The one does not deny the other, except to the biased mind. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #14
According to candidate Obama it would be "The People's House" think Jun 2015 #26
Well, it's public housing, and we gave him the lease for two terms. MADem Jun 2015 #27
short version: only polite protests are acceptable Psephos Jun 2015 #36
So many ways this story makes me bust out laughing. closeupready Jun 2015 #4
And similar to when FDR lampooned Bob McCormick in 1940 when he said LanternWaste Jun 2015 #15
I mean, obviously, we Americans pride ourselves closeupready Jun 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jun 2015 #18
That is one evil ass smile from that woman next to him JonLP24 Jun 2015 #29
The WH is our house. I agree with the President. saidsimplesimon Jun 2015 #11
There are lots of links on youtube, here's the first one that popped up uppityperson Jun 2015 #12
This was not a very likable moment loyalsister Jun 2015 #13
Arrogance? Oy. How dare he not bow and scrape before people heckling him geek tragedy Jun 2015 #17
what issues is she raising, all I can hear is blah blah blah blah blah Obama blah blah blah snooper2 Jun 2015 #34
Funny - I remember the outraged Freepers referring to the VP residence Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2015 #16
So you're saying that they were right and agreeing with them? Igel Jun 2015 #19
Were they in Chicago? That's where Obama's house is. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #20
It is his house. He lives there. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #22
I really wish LGBTQ issues were treated with more respect. DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #23
He did listen to her--but she was saying the same thing over and over, and she wouldn't MADem Jun 2015 #30
It is where he lives.. he was elected twice by the People of this Nation to live there.. Cha Jun 2015 #25
And the National Security Agency was the first to allow gay employees and not deny them a security 24601 Jun 2015 #35
I hold press conferences at my house all the time JonLP24 Jun 2015 #28
Everyone claims it's their house - okay, go just waltz right in. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #31
Just more proof that heckling never works to accomplish anything bluestateguy Jun 2015 #32

24601

(3,963 posts)
8. Was this in the residence? If not, it's the office, period. What was it that Hillary said a while
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jun 2015

back?

“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/90950-i-m-sick-and-tired-of-people-who-say-that-if


If we don't stand up for that sentiment, you really think anyone else will?


Aristus

(66,467 posts)
10. Wow. Begrudging his residency in the White House.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:31 PM
Jun 2015

And then begrudging that he's doing it on our dime.

Whew! There are websites where that attitude is expected; certainly encouraged.

This is not one of those websites.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. The one does not deny the other, except to the biased mind.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

The one does not deny the other, except to the biased mind.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
26. According to candidate Obama it would be "The People's House"
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jun 2015

(59 seconds in)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgii84_sen-obama-the-white-house-will-be-the-people-s-house_news

But I still feel it's rude and counterproductive to protest in the White House. JMO...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Well, it's public housing, and we gave him the lease for two terms.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jun 2015

The house comes with the job.

If someone is having a party in their section 8 apartment that We, The People have arranged to be assigned to them, are you going to bust in and tell them that's not their house?

I mean, come on.

The heckler was out of line. She could have made her protest short and sweet--he even asked her to settle down--but she wanted to be tossed out, that was her goal.

How many times can you repeat the same demand? The rest of the attendees were pleased to see the back of her. The time and place were inappropriate, but that would have been forgiven if she'd just stopped--instead, her goal was to disrupt the proceedings and prevent the rest of the attendees from enjoying the ceremony. She wasn't more important than the rest of the group, so she had to go.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
4. So many ways this story makes me bust out laughing.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jun 2015

It's VERY similar to when Chris Chrispie wagged his finger at the unemployed grammar school teacher, "I'm tired of you people!! "


 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. And similar to when FDR lampooned Bob McCormick in 1940 when he said
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jun 2015

And similar to when FDR lampooned Bob McCormick (Chicago Tribune) in 1940 when he said "modified spelling is just you people getting lazy at your jobs" at press luncheon at the White House.


(Roosevelt's Secret War, J. Persico)

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
21. I mean, obviously, we Americans pride ourselves
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jun 2015

that the people who are popularly elected to hold the highest public office are frequently from broken homes or humble origins, in contrast to royal houses in Europe or elsewhere in the Old World. So the notion of nobility is an afterthought stateside. (And yes, this is Adverb Day.)

Nonetheless, how hard would it be as president, in the face of a heckler, to simply bite your tongue, motion to security, and wait - then, order restored, continue with your prepared speech...?

I don't know. Maybe I'm splitting hairs. I like his GLBT record, and I like his persona.

Response to closeupready (Reply #4)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
29. That is one evil ass smile from that woman next to him
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:45 AM
Jun 2015

I assume probably his wife or relative. Scares the hell out of me.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
11. The WH is our house. I agree with the President.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jun 2015

We, the majority, elected President Obama. Don't forget that haters

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
13. This was not a very likable moment
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jun 2015

I don't like the display of arrogance. But, I have a bias and sympathy for the issues the woman was raising. I have to admit that I might have been a little less put off if he had said that to some RWer.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
19. So you're saying that they were right and agreeing with them?
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jun 2015

Or are you saying those who agree with Obama are wrong?

Or what really matters is who's saying what to whom in any specific instance, and real principle and morality involved is simply whether we approve of the person doing the rebuking or not? We decide what's right and wrong for everybody else because we are the Deciders?

Yeah. It's also hard to be green.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
20. Were they in Chicago? That's where Obama's house is.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jun 2015

The White House belongs to all the people. We just let the president live there.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
23. I really wish LGBTQ issues were treated with more respect.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jun 2015

Obama should have listened to her, she was making really good points. His policies in regards to LGBTQ deportation are despicable, but we're being told to sit down and know our place. It's kind of sickening.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. He did listen to her--but she was saying the same thing over and over, and she wouldn't
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:45 AM
Jun 2015

shut up. All of the people cheering OBAMA! OBAMA! while she was being removed are LGBT. It was a Pride Ceremony.

Her gripe was about deportations. No mas deportaciones/no more deportations. She made the point, she should have stopped. She didn't. The rest of the LGBT attendees weren't there to listen to HER, they were invited there to see, hear and meet the POTUS/VPOTUS. She was interfering with THEIR opportunity, which is why her removal resulted in cheers.

Watch the videos--she wanted to be removed, she was firing for effect.

Cha

(297,733 posts)
25. It is where he lives.. he was elected twice by the People of this Nation to live there..
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:25 AM
Jun 2015
"The president singled out discrimination facing transgender Americans as an area where more progress needs to be made."

Obama Appoints Transgender Attorney Shannon Minter To White House Commission

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/obama-transgender-lgbt-rights_n_7538008.html

Obama administration advocates for transgender people

1. Obama is the first chief executive to say "transgender" in a public speech.

2. Obama is the first to name transgender political appointees.

3. Obama is the first to prohibit job bias against transgender government workers.

4. The first federal civil rights protection for transgender people in U.S. history was a hate crime legislation signed in by Obama.

5. The executive branch has made it easier for transgender people to update their passports, obtain health insurance under the Affordable Care Act, get treatment at Veterans' Administration facilities, and seek access to public school restrooms and sports programs.

6. Obama is the only president to invite transgender children to participate in the annual Easter egg roll at the White House.

7. The Office of Personnel Management announced that government-contracted health insurers could start covering the cost of gender reassignment surgeries for federal employees, retirees, and their survivors, which ended a 40-year prohibition.

8. The Department of Health and Human Services reversed a policy that prevented Medicare from financing transgender healthcare services.

9. Obama plans to sign an executive order banning federal contractors from discriminating against employees on the basis of their sexual orientation or gender identity.

10. The U.S. Education Department extended Title IX, the law that bans gender discrimination in education, to protect transgender students, and President Obama backed that action.

These make up a large part of why Mara Keisling, executive director for the National Center for Transgender Equality said about Obama, "He has been the best president for transgender rights, and nobody else is in second place."

http://www.glaad.org/blog/obama-administration-advocates-transgender-people

24601

(3,963 posts)
35. And the National Security Agency was the first to allow gay employees and not deny them a security
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jun 2015

clearance.

NSA had a GLOBE Chapter long before anyone President Obama had a connection to the federal government.

Check page 12: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/newsletters/newsletter_oct_1999.pdf

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
28. I hold press conferences at my house all the time
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:39 AM
Jun 2015

most of the time I choose to give my opinion, camera crews, press, etc. You know where I'm going with that, he may literally reside there but it is more of a place of business but he has the nerve to say shame on somebody for raising an issue I imagine they have very little reach outside of who has the money. Shame on him for giving Saudi Arabia a $60 billion weapons package or selling weapons to Bahrain during a brutal crackdown of their protestors -- he shouldn't be doing that. Appreciate the straight forwardness of it though stomping on the little guy but I credit the direct-action poster raising awareness on an important issue. Obama at-the-very least could have addressed the concern but the arrogance was remarkable.

--

was fortunate to be invited to the White House to listen to President Obama's speech recognizing the LGBTQ community and the progress being made. But while he spoke of 'trans women of color being targeted,' his administration holds LGBTQ and trans immigrants in detention. I spoke out because our issues and struggles can no longer be ignored.

Immigrant trans women are 12 times more likely to face discrimination because of our gender identity. If we add our immigration status to the equation, the discrimination increases. Transgender immigrants make up one out of every 500 people in detention, but we account for one out of five confirmed sexual abuse cases in ICE custody.

This isn't the first time this issue has been brought up by LGBTQ immigrant advocates, who argue that ICE — which oversees the detention of unauthorized immigrants — unnecessarily puts people in detention even after they show warning signs for abuse.

ICE claims its policies do a good job of catching and preventing the kind of sexual abuse Gutiérrez described. ICE uses an automated risk assessment tool that's supposed to detect when someone is at risk for sexual abuse, and the agency can then decide to limit any risk by choosing whether and how to put an immigrant in detention.

But ICE's policies don't appear to be very effective, as Vox's Dara Lind explained:

According to the records obtained by the Center for American Progress, in 81 of the 104 cases where an immigrant said he or she feared being put in detention because of sexual orientation or gender identity, ICE detained him or her anyway.

In almost two-thirds (64 percent) of the 104 cases, it appears the automated assessment didn't even make a recommendation. The records obtained by CAP show the result of the assessment as "Officer to Determine" — which, according to a DHS Inspector General report about detention, means it's entirely left up to ICE officials to decide.

When ICE officials use their discretion, they tend to rule against the LGBTQ immigrant: In two-thirds of cases in which the evaluation made no recommendation, agents chose to put the immigrant in detention — even though such circumstances should automatically warrant release, according to ICE. So the agency chooses to put LGBTQ immigrants — who are disproportionately likely to face sexual abuse — in detention even when it doesn't need to and, by its own standards, shouldn't.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/25/8846541/obama-transgender-heckler-pride

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
31. Everyone claims it's their house - okay, go just waltz right in.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:04 AM
Jun 2015

If it's your house, you have every right then to walk in, use the toilet, sleep in the President's bed and walk around its halls without security. Right?

It's not your house. You don't live there. The President isn't some art exhibit who's on show for the whole country to gawk at. You can't walk into his bedroom as he and Michelle are sleeping and demand to watch because, dammit, it's your house. There's social cues with that house and going into it, attacking the President, is absolutely embarrassing.

I wonder if we'd feel just okay with this if it was a right-winger who started saying shit about the President? Probably not.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
32. Just more proof that heckling never works to accomplish anything
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:27 AM
Jun 2015

Hecklers are like petulant children.

This agitator was rightly thrown out.

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