Charleston shooting: Jeb Bush says gun control will not prevent another tragedy

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Independent

Charleston shooting: Jeb Bush says gun control will not prevent another tragedy
Caroline Mortimer
Sunday 28 June 2015


Presidential candidate Jeb Bush has said gun control would not prevent another Charleston style massacre.

The former Florida governor said better checks to identify potentially dangerous individuals before they committed the crime would be a much more effective deterrent than universal restrictions.

Speaking at a town hall meeting in Nevada on Saturday, Bush told reporters: “We as a society better figure out how we identify these folks long before they feel compelled to take up a gun and kill innocent people."

He believed gun control was an issue that should be dealt with at state level because “rural areas are very different than big, teeming urban areas”, according to the Associated Press.



Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charleston-shooting-jeb-bush-says-gun-control-will-not-prevent-another-tragedy-10350707.html

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[JustAnotherGen]

1. They are easy to ID

We'll find them on a stage debating Bush in a month or two.

[Vinca]

2. They don't want gun control and they don't want everyone to have healthcare

so the mentally ill can be identified and get treatment . . . until it's someone they care about who is blown away. That's the way Republicans - politicians and voters - are. Nothing matters until it happens to them.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. Pssst, Jeb - that's gun control.

better checks to identify potentially dangerous individuals

is called a 'universal background check' and it's one of the most commonly talked about forms of gun control...

You identify the potentially dangerous individuals, and then you just don't let them have guns.

[MyOwnPeace]

16. Nice try.......

Remember, you're still talking to a "Bush!"

Next time, talk slower and use pictures if you have them......................

[Recursion]

4. Really, random mass shootings probably aren't what gun control will prevent

It's the 1000-times-more-common non-random shootings that most proposals would do something about. It's a shame that it takes mass shootings to get a conversation on gun control started.

[SunSeeker]

14. Australia stopped mass shootings. See post #12. nt

[onehandle]

5. Gun trolls and Republicans are best of friends. nt

[Cryptoad]

6. Well ,,,, Jeb the logical conclusion of,,,,

your logic, is since no laws are absolute, we just need to burn the constitution! geeez

[seafan]

7. Of course! The original 'Stand Your Ground' Governor is a proud man.

There is no doubt he would proclaim that gun control will not prevent another tragedy like the one in Charleston.

After all, signing his 'Stand Your Ground' law is one of his proudest achievements.


Rep. Dennis Baxley, from left, Marion Hammer, Governor Jeb Bush and Senator Durell Peaden, pose for a photo at the signing of the Stand Your Ground bill into law in Tallahassee, Florida, on April 26, 2005. (Office of the Governor via Bloomberg)

And standing beside him is his little friend Marion Hammer.


Some of the tragic consequences:

'Trayvon Martin killing in Florida puts Jeb Bush's 2005 'Stand Your Ground' law on trial' 2012

Jeb Bush's 2005 gun law gave people who use 'self-defense' civil and criminal immunity.



Charleston shooting: Jeb Bush says gun control will not prevent another tragedy, June 28, 2015

Does he think this concept will be warmly received when he inserts himself into a meeting with Charleston pastors tomorrow?



via the Independent

Hands up, Mr. Bush. Accountability is drawing nigh.


We will be cleaning up the toxic waste from this family for years into the future.

[PSPS]

8. Another deuplicate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141129859

[mercuryblues]

9. have to keep

reminding myself that he is considered the smart one.

Who believes that tighter gun laws will prevent all mass shootings? To claim it will is creating a strawman. What we do have, is evidence from other countries, that have stricter laws is that the mass shooting will not happen on a regular basis.

[-none]

10. This is the reason common sense gun control can't happen

He believed gun control was an issue that should be dealt with at state level because “rural areas are very different than big, teeming urban areas”, according to the Associated Press.

Every state that has lax weapons laws will undermine the laws concerning who may acquire or possess guns in states that try to do something about the gun problem. Guns and gun deaths cannot be a state or a state rights issue, it is a national problem that needs to be dealt with, uniformly nation wide. That means Congress has to act.
It should be obvious to everyone by now that what we are doing is not working and we need to try something different.

I read a few days ago some guy loaded and racked a 12 gage shot gun in a mall or some such. I'm remembering the police watched him do it(?). The police could not do anything because of the way the open carry laws were written.
In the real world, just loading it in a public space should be jail time and loss of his guns. When he racked it, every law enforcement gun in the vicinity should have been pointing at him and he should be facing at least 5 years for reckless endangerment.
What is wrong with us?

[olddots]

11. this royal family should be placed on an asteroid

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

12. After a mass shooting in 1996 Australia passed strict gun laws

In the decade prior to 1996 there had been mass shootings which killed 100 people. The last straw was in April, 1996, when a lone gunman killed 35 people -- the first 20 using 29 bullets within a period of 90 seconds. It so shocked the national conscience that strict gun control laws were passed over the cries of those who said "It won't make a difference."

Under the new laws rapid-fire rifles and shotguns were banned, gun owner licensing was tightened and remaining firearms were registered to uniform national standards. There were several government gun buy-backs and voluntary surrendering of weapons. More than a million guns were taken out of circulation.

The result: No mass shootings since 1996. A 50% decrease in gun deaths overall and an 80% decrease of suicide by gun.

These are facts, not some conservative/NRA bullshit.

But we know how much conservatives hate facts...

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CNN: This is what happened when Australia introduced tight gun controls

[SunSeeker]

15. Exactly. Thank you. nt

[Frances]

13. Gun control

of some sort should be a must for any Dem nominee