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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,511 posts)
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:31 PM Jun 2015

Alabama Chief Justice Moore: Gay marriage 'not in accordance with Constitution'

Source: AL.com, the Alabama Media Group

By Charles J. Dean | cdean@al.com
on June 30, 2015 at 6:44 AM, updated June 30, 2015 at 7:16 AM

Chief Justice Roy Moore conceded Monday that the ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court that homosexuals have a constitutional right to marry sets a precedent.
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Asked if as the state's chief justice he would follow and enforce the law, Moore snapped that judges do not enforce the law. Asked if he expected probate judges and other judges and state officials to obey the law, Moore used examples of men who were judged to have followed wrong and immoral laws and orders in Germany during World War II.

"Could I do this if I were in Nuremberg (war crimes trials after WW II) say that I was following the orders of the highest authority to kill Jews?... Could I say I was ordered to do so?

Told that trial was about killing human beings, not gay marriage, Moore asked: "Is there a difference?"

Read more: http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/06/alabama_chief_justice_moore_ga.html



Ummm, yes there is.

If it weren't for that snip, I'd have let this go as "so what else did you expect him to say?" That comment, though, is remarkable.
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Alabama Chief Justice Moore: Gay marriage 'not in accordance with Constitution' (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2015 OP
Alabama... d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #1
I like that sign Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #13
"Is there a difference?" trotsky Jun 2015 #2
Perhaps people need to be asked the question Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #14
That is a religious means test and is unconstitutional Telcontar Jul 2015 #18
So essentially for Roy Moore, gay marriage equals Auschwitz?! riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #3
One more "legal" opinion from an idiot that has been repeatedly wrong. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #4
German soldiers and SS had a choice, same as Alabama public servants do . . . Journeyman Jun 2015 #5
Boo, hiss. What a jerk shenmue Jun 2015 #6
The view from the dust bin of history is making Mr. Moore grumpy, it seems. yellowcanine Jun 2015 #7
Um. No, TheCount_ Jun 2015 #8
Blah, blah, blah Ginger...Blah, blah, blah. SoapBox Jun 2015 #9
Loving v Virginia sets a precedent Renew Deal Jun 2015 #10
Pro slavery mindset. jalan48 Jun 2015 #11
Please, give it up. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #12
And what of Bush v Gore and Citizens United? He made it to the top position in the AL legal system JudyM Jun 2015 #15
I admit that I haven't read it very closely... graegoyle Jul 2015 #16
Or anywhere ELSE in the Constitution, for that matter? jmowreader Jul 2015 #17

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
2. "Is there a difference?"
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jun 2015

The key thing to remember here is that in the mind of Roy Moore, and millions like him - NO, there is not. To them, murder and homosexuality are both direct violations of what they see as "god's law" and therefore equally offensive, sinful, and wrong.


“You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.” ― Ben Goldacre, Bad Science

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
14. Perhaps people need to be asked the question
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jun 2015

if they hold a government job if they will put gods' law above mans' law and if they answer gods' then they can not have the job............

 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
18. That is a religious means test and is unconstitutional
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jul 2015

Just as odious as saying only Christians can hold office.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
3. So essentially for Roy Moore, gay marriage equals Auschwitz?!
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jun 2015

Just when I think they can't get any more crazy, they do.



Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
5. German soldiers and SS had a choice, same as Alabama public servants do . . .
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jun 2015

Both could choose to follow their conscience, but at a price.

For those in Nazi Germany, it meant swift reprisal; imprisonment, death, or something worse -- sent to the Eastern Front.

For those in democratic Alabama, it means having to eventually seek new employment and the loss of their pension.

All in all, seems the dissenters among the Cotton State will have it quite a bit easier than their "counterparts" (Roy Moore's characterization) under the Reich.

jalan48

(13,871 posts)
11. Pro slavery mindset.
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

Moore and his ilk are basically saying, "We don't have to follow laws we don't agree with". Isn't this the kind of thinking that led to the Civil War?

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
15. And what of Bush v Gore and Citizens United? He made it to the top position in the AL legal system
Tue Jun 30, 2015, 06:35 PM
Jun 2015

... And still doesn't get it.

graegoyle

(532 posts)
16. I admit that I haven't read it very closely...
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:10 AM
Jul 2015

But is there any god-damned reference to homosexuality or marriage in the original constitution? Or the first ten amendments?

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
17. Or anywhere ELSE in the Constitution, for that matter?
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 05:25 AM
Jul 2015

I joined the Army once and reenlisted twice. I swore to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. After seeing a state supreme court judge who doesn't know what the Constitution says, I now know what a domestic enemy looks like.

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