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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:01 PM Jul 2015

Cliven Bundy says Rand Paul promised to make Nevada a ‘sovereign state’ if he’s elected president

Source: RawStory/KNPR-FM

offlaw rancher Cliven Bundy said he met with Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) for nearly an hour this week and found he sees eye to eye with the GOP presidential candidate.

Bundy, whose ongoing dispute over grazing rights on federally owned land sparked an armed militia standoff last year with the Bureau of Land Management, said Paul assured him he would grant the rancher’s demands and make Nevada a sovereign state if elected next year to the White House.

“He said, ‘One of your biggest problems is getting Nevada to recognize its sovereignty and to stand up for its sovereignty,” Bundy told KNPR-FM. “He said he would turn over the jurisdiction authority and allow the state of Nevada to act like a sovereign state. He said it would be up to we the people to govern ourselves.”

Bundy, who views often square with the far-right sovereign citizen and posse comitatus movements, has said he would be willing to pay the $1 million he owes for grazing his cattle on public land to Nevada – but not to the federal government, whose authority he does not recognize.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/cliven-bundy-says-rand-paul-promised-to-make-nevada-a-sovereign-state-if-hes-elected-president/

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Cliven Bundy says Rand Paul promised to make Nevada a ‘sovereign state’ if he’s elected president (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2015 OP
Rand Paul may have some crazy ideas tymorial Jul 2015 #1
I don't know. I don't trust either one of them enough for this not to be true. craigmatic Jul 2015 #4
Sounds like it right down Rand's ally Cryptoad Jul 2015 #6
What Bundy forgot abakan Jul 2015 #16
I agree with you. I believe that the Paul family are manipulating a****es; however, they didn't 24601 Jul 2015 #62
Yeah .... SUUUUUUUURE he'd pay teh $1M ... riiiighhht (n/t) brett_jv Jul 2015 #2
What a load of shit. SoapBox Jul 2015 #3
Isn't this dumbasses 15 minutes up already? corkhead Jul 2015 #5
Really. Why are we giving Bundy any air time at all??? He's a MORON. nt Nay Jul 2015 #18
He said the same thing to me, but it was about the Confederacy. onehandle Jul 2015 #7
That's impossible. He told me I would be coroneted as King of North America. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #10
LOL jwirr Jul 2015 #25
LOL Iliyah Jul 2015 #55
what is a Sovereign State? irisblue Jul 2015 #8
One with no federal government presence jmowreader Jul 2015 #46
Better watch your back Cliven. When Nevada becomes a sovereign state A Simple Game Jul 2015 #9
And the new "sovereign state" will want the money you still owe for letting your cattle graze on calimary Jul 2015 #29
Why would Paul associate himself with a racist freeloader? Gore1FL Jul 2015 #11
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #12
a lot too far irisblue Jul 2015 #13
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #15
brother , killing is too far a statement irisblue Jul 2015 #17
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #19
brother, per TOS crazy talk is a violation irisblue Jul 2015 #23
They're playing the "Over-the-top Librul" game arcane1 Jul 2015 #33
I would bet you are correct. cui bono Jul 2015 #56
They would probably kill us Reter Jul 2015 #36
Well it is very hard to be in favor of Genocide. pennylane100 Jul 2015 #24
Wow, what an ignorant thing to say. arcane1 Jul 2015 #32
Why aren't this asshole Bundy and his flock of militia defenders in Federal prison? Chakab Jul 2015 #14
They're too well armed to fail Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #30
"BLS" = Bureau of Labor Statistics (which gives us monthly employment numbers). Do you KingCharlemagne Jul 2015 #38
The grazing fees are used to restore land damaged by grazing. alfredo Jul 2015 #48
They're the wrong complexion for prison Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #54
Why is this two-day-old story in LBN? PSPS Jul 2015 #20
Because it isn't two days old.... DonViejo Jul 2015 #22
Sorry, but Raw Story just rewrote this old news story from other sources. PSPS Jul 2015 #41
So? It's still today's news. Few people, if anyone, would be aware of this DonViejo Jul 2015 #42
So a president Rand Paul would return underthematrix Jul 2015 #21
Well, I'm sure Rand2016 activists will pop in to defend him. blm Jul 2015 #26
Worships the constitution, doesn't recognize the government it created arcane1 Jul 2015 #27
You win the thread. freshwest Jul 2015 #44
I think Bundy hears what he wants to hear Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #28
It's a guaranteed debate question now! arcane1 Jul 2015 #45
He spent an hour with Bundy BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #64
Good grief. n/t Paper Roses Jul 2015 #31
Holy shit, I can't breathe. Arkana Jul 2015 #34
I think they got a problem called "The Ordinance".... Historic NY Jul 2015 #35
In any other country HoosierCowboy Jul 2015 #40
Chuckle, not even Rand Paul is that silly riversedge Jul 2015 #37
Post #12: AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert Reter Jul 2015 #39
Meanwhile the folks at Burning Man are paying close to 5 million in fees this year... Ned Flanders Jul 2015 #43
Bundy will vote for anybody Turbineguy Jul 2015 #47
Will Rand issue a denial? QED Jul 2015 #49
Exactly! missingthebigdog Jul 2015 #57
Bundy had a button pushed by Rand Paul olddots Jul 2015 #50
Where are Paul's cheerleaders NOW? Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #51
Why isn't Bundy in jail? Renew Deal Jul 2015 #52
That should be the only response to any posting about this scofflaw Fairgo Jul 2015 #58
Maybe bundy will get lucky and trump will be the republican nominee, which would fit right into still_one Jul 2015 #53
LMAO. Solly Mack Jul 2015 #59
Wonder how Rand plans to accomplish this. LoisB Jul 2015 #60
I'll believe the owing one million dollars thing if he puts the mill into an escrow account. marble falls Jul 2015 #61
Oh yeah? rand paul will promise anything to get in the White House.. just like a lot of candidates Cha Jul 2015 #63
~80% of Nevada is public land, belongs to all the American people. pay your almost free lease Bundy Sunlei Jul 2015 #65
In my opinion NobodyHere Jul 2015 #66

abakan

(1,819 posts)
16. What Bundy forgot
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jul 2015

Rand Paul is a politician, and we all know, politicians lie.
I bet Bundy didn't make him, pinky swear.

24601

(3,962 posts)
62. I agree with you. I believe that the Paul family are manipulating a****es; however, they didn't
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 10:58 PM
Jul 2015

acquire wealth & power by being stupid. Cliven, on the other hand, seems to be the poster boy for the Stupid International Society.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
3. What a load of shit.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jul 2015

If this loon believes him, well he's stupid.

Or...he's just lying because well, he's stupid.

Either way their both full of shit.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
7. He said the same thing to me, but it was about the Confederacy.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jul 2015

Rand Paul told me that he would recreate the country and sell the rest of the U.S. to the highest bidder.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
10. That's impossible. He told me I would be coroneted as King of North America.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jul 2015

Not that I would really want the job but there ARE free donuts in the morning.

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
8. what is a Sovereign State?
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jul 2015

aren't all the states in this union equal?.....2 senators, the reps depend on population...serious ?

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
46. One with no federal government presence
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jul 2015

Rand can't actually do this and it's somewhat unlikely he told Mr. Cliven Bundy (is it true "Cliven" is Gaelic for "squatter"?) that he would.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
9. Better watch your back Cliven. When Nevada becomes a sovereign state
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jul 2015

and all the Federal employees in Nevada lose their jobs they aren't going to be happy.

calimary

(81,308 posts)
29. And the new "sovereign state" will want the money you still owe for letting your cattle graze on
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jul 2015

what will then be ITS land.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Response to irisblue (Reply #13)

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
17. brother , killing is too far a statement
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jul 2015

back up go away from the computer just and watch the wonderful less awful world for 48 hrs...

Response to irisblue (Reply #17)

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
23. brother, per TOS crazy talk is a violation
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jul 2015

wanting to kill people for political differences is hitting the edge of crazy. Again, my brother, step away, take a break and stop advocating murder, it is wrong. period.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
33. They're playing the "Over-the-top Librul" game
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jul 2015

The post can be later pointed to as an example of how crazy liberals are.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
56. I would bet you are correct.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 07:47 PM
Jul 2015

I think some play the same game when they post pro-corporate stuff. They can point to this site to show how 'liberal' centrists are. I suspect that's why so many centrists on here try to self identify as liberal, trying to change the definition and move the goal post on what is accepted as 'liberal'.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
36. They would probably kill us
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jul 2015

Conservatives idiots can only do one thing right, fight wars. With that said, you went way over the line.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
24. Well it is very hard to be in favor of Genocide.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jul 2015

However, I think that if the red states were able to secede, there would be a natural (and unfortunate) culling of the herd as most red states receive more federal money that they give.

Realistically, secession of red states is never going to happen. What we need is a law that allows states to receive federal dollars similar to the amount they contribute. Also not going to happen, but it is fun thinking about it.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
14. Why aren't this asshole Bundy and his flock of militia defenders in Federal prison?
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jul 2015

There is no "dispute" about grazing fees. He's been grazing his cattle on Federal lands that are maintained by the BLS for decades without paying like every other rancher who grazes his livestock on property that he doesn't own does. The grazing fees that the federal government charges ranchers are significantly lower than what private land owners charge for other parties to graze on their land, so in reality, the federal grazing fees are yet another subsidy for farmers/ranchers.

Bundy is a parasitic freeloader who was stealing from the Federal government and threatened to murder federal officials and law enforcement personnel after the BLS tried to put an end his nonsense.

Yet somehow, according to all of the Conservatives who claim to hate freeloaders, he's a hero, and the people who are protesting police brutality are anti-cop thugs.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
30. They're too well armed to fail
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jul 2015

Of course, being too big to fail or jail doesn't keep me from saying Legs Dimon and Pretty Boy Lloyd belong in the Big House.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
38. "BLS" = Bureau of Labor Statistics (which gives us monthly employment numbers). Do you
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jul 2015

mean instead the "BLM" (Bureau of Land Management)?

Sorry to be pedantic, but just want to make sure I'm up on the latest governmental acronyms.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
42. So? It's still today's news. Few people, if anyone, would be aware of this
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jul 2015

if RS hadn't picked it up and published it. Ditto for Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo, Daily Kos, ThinkProgress and, sometimes, the AP and Reuters.

blm

(113,065 posts)
26. Well, I'm sure Rand2016 activists will pop in to defend him.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jul 2015

Rand is as much of a fascist as the worst Republican - he just doesn't want his particular base of libertarians to catch on.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
28. I think Bundy hears what he wants to hear
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jul 2015

Say what you want about Senator Paul, but I'd be very surprised if he said anything like that.

OTOH, if he did, he should get out of the race.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
34. Holy shit, I can't breathe.
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jul 2015

So Rand Paul promised to allow Nevada to nullify all federal laws? Did anyone tell Nevada's elected officials?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
35. I think they got a problem called "The Ordinance"....
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jul 2015

A second convention to write a state constitution therefore met from July 4–27, 1864. The defeated 1863 constitution was used as the basis for the new document. The requirements of the congressional enabling act were duly incorporated at the beginning of the constitution in a section called "The Ordinance." This included the outlawing of slavery, and the statement that all undistributed public lands would be retained by the federal government and could never be taxed by the state. These provisions would be "irrevocable" without the consent of Congress and of the people of Nevada. The new constitution also included a "paramount allegiance" clause, proclaiming the supremacy of the United States government over the states and that no state had the right to secede, both very much Republican party doctrine, and voluntarily inserted into the document by its makers. The 1864 constitution also espoused democratic principles, popular in the West, with popular elections demanded for many state offices, including the state judiciary. Possible opposition from mine owners was headed off by a provision stating that only the net proceeds of mines could be taxed.


http://www.onlinenevada.org/articles/nevada-statehood

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
39. Post #12: AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jul 2015

On Fri Jul 3, 2015, 12:13 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

would like to see it go one step further
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1135563

REASON FOR ALERT

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YOUR COMMENTS

Advocating killing Republicans is nuts, come on. He's also not joking. Look at the thread. He said killing them should be a legal sport.

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Explanation: Whoo boy. I'm currently in a country where some dumbasses are waging war against it's own citizens. Yes, government approved. It ain't fun. in fact, it totally sucks elephant balls. Democrats can come up with better ideas than genocide. And it's not even a thing one should consider joking about.
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Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
43. Meanwhile the folks at Burning Man are paying close to 5 million in fees this year...
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jul 2015

...and being required to house BLM staff in "VIP" accomodations.

But when the BLM deals with armed right wingers, they back down, over a million in fees uncollected. IOKIYAR

QED

(2,747 posts)
49. Will Rand issue a denial?
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jul 2015

My guess is he'll sit on the fence on this one. If he denies it, he would lose the sovereign crowd's vote.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
58. That should be the only response to any posting about this scofflaw
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jul 2015

Anything else validates his position

still_one

(92,217 posts)
53. Maybe bundy will get lucky and trump will be the republican nominee, which would fit right into
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jul 2015

Buddy's idea of a "wonderful" candidate


Cha

(297,295 posts)
63. Oh yeah? rand paul will promise anything to get in the White House.. just like a lot of candidates
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:45 AM
Jul 2015

getting it through congress is what's going to trip them up.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
66. In my opinion
Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jul 2015

Rand Paul probably pledged to give federal land to Nevada. Though who knows if Nevada even wants the land, since it would then be maintained by Nevada taxpayers alone instead of all US taxpayers.

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