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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:38 AM Jul 2015

Scott Walker Signs State Budget Axing Tenure For College Professors

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Gov. Scott Walker signed the next Wisconsin state budget into law on Sunday, brushing aside complaints from his own party about the $73 billion spending plan and fulfilling his promise to get it done before he announces he is running for the Republican nomination for president.

Walker signed the budget at Valveworks USA, a valve and wellhead component manufacturer in Waukesha. He made scores of changes to the spending plan using his veto powers that he said returned $44.5 million to the state's general fund over the next two years.

"The budget I signed today again brings real reform to Wisconsin and allows everyone more opportunity for a brighter future," Walker said in a statement.

Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, a Kenosha Democrat, said in a statement that the budget "throws the people of Wisconsin under Governor Walker's campaign bus." Senate Minority Leader Jennifer Shilling, a La Crosse Democrat, said Wisconsin residents deserve better.

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scott-walker-wisconsin-budget-tenure-professors

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Scott Walker Signs State Budget Axing Tenure For College Professors (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2015 OP
If you work for a living this man and his supporters not only hate you but they have randys1 Jul 2015 #1
I saw a documentary on this guy the other night. Sleazy, both LuckyLib Jul 2015 #27
I will never believe that Walker won in clean elections Botany Jul 2015 #2
he was elected 3 times- there fixed Romeo.lima333 Jul 2015 #4
2 times Botany Jul 2015 #5
3 times 2010, the recall and 2014 Romeo.lima333 Jul 2015 #9
Botany is correct, Walker was re-elected twice.... DonViejo Jul 2015 #10
+1 glinda Jul 2015 #6
This man is a mound of mierda. marmar Jul 2015 #3
Like that song says: "one ton of mierda!" trusty elf Jul 2015 #14
And in few years, they'll wonder why they can't attract top acedemics. Adrahil Jul 2015 #7
Wisconsin will have the worst Professors in the US soon fasttense Jul 2015 #25
Indiana may try the same thing.... Adrahil Jul 2015 #26
Rate My Professor couldn't be a worse avenue for assessing LuckyLib Jul 2015 #28
Rate My Professor, like Rate My (Whatever) is unmoderated, hence useless. eppur_se_muova Jul 2015 #34
Wisconsin already has difficulty with that Massacure Jul 2015 #38
The college dropout sticks it to the professors. mac56 Jul 2015 #8
I don't believe in coincidences liberal N proud Jul 2015 #11
No coincidence, I'm thinking Hekate Jul 2015 #12
a majority voted for this clown heaven05 Jul 2015 #13
That sound you here is college professers across Wisconsin dbackjon Jul 2015 #15
I Know I Would! lib87 Jul 2015 #17
I'm from Wisconsin Bettie Jul 2015 #21
Where they gonna move to? 1960? jtuck004 Jul 2015 #22
"Shock Doctrine" state by state. CrispyQ Jul 2015 #36
Thank you for that. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2015 #37
Well, in another red state greymattermom Jul 2015 #16
He's the most vile of all the candidates. lark Jul 2015 #18
silver lining Backwoodsrider Jul 2015 #19
In my last year of undegrad at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh I suspect I just Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #20
That giant sucking sound you hear is every last UW professor leaving the state KamaAina Jul 2015 #23
My daughter left Madison not long ago. murielm99 Jul 2015 #31
he must have invested in the USAs new 'for profit' education system, of course funded by your tax$ Sunlei Jul 2015 #24
He knows that the less education a person has, the more likely they are to vote for someone like him olddad56 Jul 2015 #29
The UW system has long been a very highly respected system, with LuckyLib Jul 2015 #30
If it was not for our Democratic legislature in Illinois, murielm99 Jul 2015 #32
I hope some eager reporter finds out why he dropped out of college early kimbutgar Jul 2015 #33
I'd think the other 47 people running for the GOP nomination would be digging that up, too. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #35

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. If you work for a living this man and his supporters not only hate you but they have
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jul 2015

plans for you, big plans.

So hey middle class con, be sure to RUN out and for someone who is ON RECORD saying he wants to use govt unions to destroy private unions.





LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
27. I saw a documentary on this guy the other night. Sleazy, both
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jul 2015

of them. She was asking him -- "How can we make this a completely red state and get rid of all unions?" Scotty promised her it could be done.

 

Romeo.lima333

(1,127 posts)
9. 3 times 2010, the recall and 2014
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jul 2015

Walker was elected governor of Wisconsin in 2010, defeating the Democratic nominee, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett. After being sworn into office in 2011, Walker introduced a budget repair plan which limited many collective bargaining powers for most public employees. The legislation led to significant protests at the Wisconsin State Capitol and an effort to recall Walker. In June 2012, Walker faced Barrett in Wisconsin's only gubernatorial recall election. After emerging as the winner, Walker became the only governor in the U.S. to date to win a gubernatorial recall election.

and 2014

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
7. And in few years, they'll wonder why they can't attract top acedemics.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Fucking moron probably has a chip on should about college, since he was a dropout.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
25. Wisconsin will have the worst Professors in the US soon
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jul 2015

"The upper Midwest is a hot bed for bad professors, according to data an education think tank culled from millions of RateMyProfessor teacher evaluations. Among the top 25 schools with the worst professors, six of them hail from Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Nearly a third come from all parts of the Midwest." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-colleges-with-the-worst-professors/

Not sure how useful Rate My Professor is though.

I suspect Wisconsin has decent professors, despite this site's ratings... for now.

NO Tenure would make me look elsewhere for a teaching job in college and I suspect the best are drawn to better paying jobs which are probably all private colleges.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. Indiana may try the same thing....
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jul 2015

... If they do, we may be looking to move. As it is, my wife's university has a hard time retaining good talent since the pay is mediocre and the teaching load high for a research university.

eppur_se_muova

(36,289 posts)
34. Rate My Professor, like Rate My (Whatever) is unmoderated, hence useless.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jul 2015

Most of the people who go there only want to dump on the profs who flunked them -- regardless of whether they deserved it.

Massacure

(7,526 posts)
38. Wisconsin already has difficulty with that
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jul 2015

I graduated from public four year school in Wisconsin in 2010, and during my time there it was no secret that universities in Minnesota and Illinois would poach professors from Wisconsin because of the pay disparities.

http://chronicle.com/article/faculty-salaries-table-2012/131433

Outside of UW-Madison and UW-Milwaukee, no other public university in Wisconsin has an average pay higher than $76,000 for a full professor. Minnesota on the other hand has only one school that averages below $79,000. Illinois has only one school which averages below $81,000, and only two that average below $89,000.

To put it in another perspective - I have five years of experience in my field. I just looked up my professors salaries online for kicks and giggles. Only two of the professors in my area of study still make more money than me.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
13. a majority voted for this clown
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jul 2015

many are getting what they did not ask for. Reading his now approved and signed into law budget, RW viciousness at it's starkest. No conscience in this individual.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
15. That sound you here is college professers across Wisconsin
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jul 2015

Sending out their resumes to other states.

lib87

(535 posts)
17. I Know I Would!
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jul 2015

That and retire if I have enough years.

This will affect the research professors conduct too. Just sad.

Bettie

(16,124 posts)
21. I'm from Wisconsin
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jul 2015

graduated from UW Madison, after getting a great public education.

So, Walker is working to destroy all education in the state, destroying the UW System which is exceptional.

Why do people vote for this guy?

I really don't even recognize my home state anymore.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
22. Where they gonna move to? 1960?
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jul 2015

There are very few places that won't be affected by this, and I suspect it won't be the last one. More states will follow.

It's horrendous, it's paving the path to our destruction, but people like Wanker don't care. The country has lost the idea of investing in ourselves, which is what made us powerful and secure.

The country is either dead, or it will be covered with the equivalent of tar paper shacks and gated communities as we go forward. The attraction to not paying your bills is too strong - makes you think you are richer than you really are. 'Till things come apart.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
16. Well, in another red state
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jul 2015

I have tenure, but the MBAs have decided that it doesn't guarantee you a salary. They pay piece work rates for every activity and you get a different sized check every year. New faculty get salary and research support for 3 years. After that, you either get NIH money or you're gone. New hires are all women or have foreign names. I'm one of those, so it's just an observation.

lark

(23,155 posts)
18. He's the most vile of all the candidates.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jul 2015

He has no moral compass, he's all about how to stroke the Koch's so they continue to fund his rise to power. Bet he pulls off dragonflys wings just for fun and because he can. He's the very worst of the worst, which means he's a serious candidate for the general election.

Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
19. silver lining
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jul 2015

center voters are going to see 1st hand that the GOP mission to transfer the tax burden to the middle class DOES NOT WORK. People are already rebelling, Walker and Trump are poster boys for the GOP and all democrats have to do is watch and eat popcorn.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
20. In my last year of undegrad at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh I suspect I just
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jul 2015

squeaked in before the mass exodus of longtime professors and the new influx of fresh PhDs willing to work for whatever scraps are thrown their way.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
23. That giant sucking sound you hear is every last UW professor leaving the state
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jul 2015

where they will be competing with their counterparts from North Carolina, whose teaching load was just doubled, for positions in sane, reasonable states.

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
31. My daughter left Madison not long ago.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jul 2015

She hates Snotty. So do most of her friends and associates, many of whom are academics.

Before my daughter got married, her roommate completed her PhD and left the state. She did not even look at job offers in Wisconsin. She and many other saw what was coming.

My daughter finished her job, finished a second master's degree, and moved out of Wisconsin. Her husband died not long ago. They were married only a little over eighteen months. She is not sure she wants to stay where she is. She may get her PhD before going on to another job. She will not be returning to Madison or anywhere in Wisconsin. Academics who can do so are already leaving the state. I have heard them say that they think Snotty has a war going on with Madison and Milwaukee, because they both defied him.

I have heard speculation about the details of Snotty's dropping out so close to graduation. No one really knows. That question should be shoved down his throat, and shouted about over and over. If our candidates and subjected to the kind of scrutiny that Obama, HRC and Bernie are getting, then we need to do the same to theirs.

Why did Snotty drop out, so close to graduation? Was he asked to leave or face expulsion? That is a possibility. Sometimes, students who get in trouble are given the option of withdrawing from school to avoid a black mark on their records.


LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
30. The UW system has long been a very highly respected system, with
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jul 2015

faculty in many areas seeing Madison as a premier and respectful environment. It's undergraduate program has been seen as one of the best of state universities. Too bad. If this passes, those days will be over. Bright new faculty will avoid it like the plague.

You've got him, Wisconsin. Now what are you going to do?

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
32. If it was not for our Democratic legislature in Illinois,
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jul 2015

we would be facing the same thing. Our legislature is fighting Rauner, who is just as bad.

Yes, we voted for him (not my family). But he won by a very narrow margin.

GOTV, people!

It is still possible for the people of Wisconsin to do something about Snotty. They need to strengthen their Democratic party at the state level. They need to push the investigations that are going on against Snotty and his cohorts right now!

kimbutgar

(21,188 posts)
33. I hope some eager reporter finds out why he dropped out of college early
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jul 2015

He probably has a vendetta against college professors. Maybe Scott e got busted for cheating?

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