Kathryn Steinle's family calls for harsher punishment for illegal immigrants who re-enter America

[alp227]

Source: San Jose Mercury News

The national uproar over immigration policy continued Monday, as Kathryn Steinle's parents said federal and local authorities "let us down" by allowing a repeatedly deported felon back on the streets before he allegedly killed their daughter as she was strolling on a pier in San Francisco.

The interview with Fox News' Bill O'Reilly came as a new government report was released Monday showing that more than 1,800 immigrants whom the federal government wanted to deport last year were nevertheless released from local jails and later rearrested for various crimes.

Nearly a third of the new offenses were nonviolent crimes, including drugs and stolen vehicles. But the report also cited six examples of more serious crimes, including one case of child molestation in San Mateo County, two burglaries in Santa Clara County and a rape in San Francisco. The report gave no details about those cases.

In their heartfelt interview Monday, the parents of Kathryn Steinle, the 32-year-old slain July 1 in broad daylight, expressed disappointment with local communities like San Francisco and Santa Clara County that have refused to hold people for possible deportation by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials.

Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_28478784/steinle-family-calls-harsher-punishment-illegal-immigrants-who

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8 US Code sec. 1326 addresses illegal re-entry, an offense punishable by 2 through 20 years in prison; the Steinles are calling for a mandatory minimum 5-year sentence.

[jtuck004]

1. How long did we keep Japanese American citizens in POW camps?

Turned out they weren't the threat we thought they were, mostly just our racism.

And I'm not real sure but...

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The interview with Fox News' Bill O'Reilly came as a new government report was released Monday showing that more than 1,800 immigrants whom the federal government wanted to deport last year were nevertheless released from local jails and later rearrested for various crimes.

Nearly a third of the new offenses were nonviolent crimes, including drugs and stolen vehicles. But the report also cited six examples of more serious crimes, including one case of child molestation in San Mateo County, two burglaries in Santa Clara County and a rape in San Francisco. The report gave no details about those cases.
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So if we were to sample a representative 1800 prisoners released from the county jail here, I suspect there would be far more serious crimes than just those, and in bigger cities with more money and opportunity even more.

[FreakinDJ]

2. They had No Prior Arrest

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE

These are Violent Criminals and SHOULD BE DEPORTED

You want to protect them - have them come live at your house

[jtuck004]

3. All half dozen of them. It's a wonder we aren't over fucking run. ROFL.

See. You can save all caps for important shit. Like telling us how you know who all the criminals are so we can be sure and not just pick up brown people indiscriminately.

Or is that your plan? A Triumpant Trump-ery of deportation?

Can one spot them more easily from atop the high horse of Self-Righteousness. I wonder?



phooey.

[FreakinDJ]

4. I'll take you seriously when you invite them to live at your house

The article cited suggested Grand Theft Auto and Sales of Narcotics insufficient reasoning for deportation too

As if anyone would think that wasn't biased enough to thoroughly qualify as utter rubbish

High horse indeed - yes I can still smell the bullshit atop my mount

[jtuck004]

5. You sound so much like Donald Trump, I suspect you hate your barber too.

"Grand Theft Auto and Sales of Narcotics"

LOL -


That's called being 12 years old in some U.S. neighborhoods, especially ones we let stay in poverty while we make bank$ter/donors rich.

Has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Put your fear away, and your deportation police.

The stress is pulling your hair too tight.

[FreakinDJ]

8. Any Felones at your house yet

Spare us the false dichotomy please

[jtuck004]

9. Yes, we have been robbed before.Unlike you I didn't run looking for brown-skinned people

to blame.

Most of that stuff is done by white folk, btw.

Perhaps we could deport Christians, since they blow up Federal Buildings and little children in a nursery? Or people who shoot up churches in sprees of political assassination and murder?

nothing new - you are afraid of the wrong people.

[LanternWaste]

18. No doubt an irrational mind is incapable of perceiving anything more than two extreme choices

"I'll take you seriously when you invite them to live at your house" Much as many will allow you credibility when you begin to move beyond the reducto absurdum fallacies.

No doubt, an irrational mind is often incapable of perceiving anything more than two extreme choices-- "deport them" or "make them live at your house...", regardless of self-validating bullshit meters we often pretend to have-- as it allows our irrational thought to better prioritize melodrama and style over that of an actual substantive premise.

[FreakinDJ]

33. Not the first time this has happened in SF

There is another case 2 years ago of another Gang member released onto the streets under SF's policy that murdered some kid

So ya - lightening does strike twice in the same place

[frylock]

28. "I'll take you seriously when you invite them to live at your house"

I often see this sentiment coming from conservatives. Very similar to the "call a crackhead" meme. There's a vast, gray, nuanced world out there that you should explore sometime.

[cstanleytech]

12. How exactly is what happened to the Japanese Americans related to this topic?

Other than both being immigrants because none of the Japanese Americans committed crimes that warranted the treatment they received that I am aware of yet what some appear to advocating here is that the government needs to implement harsher treatment for illegal immigrants that then break the law further by committing additional crimes such as stealing someones car or killing someone such as Kathryn Steinle.

[jtuck004]

16. Xenophobia, with excuses. rofl. n/t

[cstanleytech]

17. +1 To avoidance, congrats and keep up the hard work. nt

[jtuck004]

19. From your point of view I take that as a compliment. n/t

[cstanleytech]

20. Feel free to do so and feel free to also continue avoiding answering

how this situation is related to what happened to the Japanese Americans.

[jtuck004]

21. Already did. The rest is on you. I suspect you are used to that, however. Bye. n/t

[alp227]

25. You see why average Americans are allergic to the "liberal" label?

AM radio and blogs have convinced them to do so, because of posts like yours that falsely equate re-entering deportees and the unfairly detained Japanese-Americans of the 1940s. That is why you've got people who support Democratic platform positions but vote Republican "because Rush Limbaugh says so".

[jtuck004]

26. OK, more excuses for bigotry. Thanks. I'll add that to the list. And I 'm not a liberal. n/t

[24601]

31. We? Born in the decade after WWII ended, I've never been directly or indirectly responsible. And, I

don't hold today's Egyptians, or any other current descendant of the African Continent, accountable for enslaving Israel.

Now if you were part of the decision making relative to US Citizens of Japanese ancestry, you've come to the right place to confess and repent. Have at it.

Going a step further, "we" also don't get credit for defeating the CSA and passing the 13th amendment just because our ancestors did, do we?

We are responsible for our own decisions and actions.

[jtuck004]

32. Wouldn't it be nice if you could divorce yourself from those decisions? You are responsible

as a citizen for the government your people voted in. Those are your decisions too.

But perhaps you should try that argument on our victims. It's pretty selfish, but you can try.

Or go back to the little table and we will take care of you, poor helpless thing.

Regardless - bye.

[24601]

35. So where you you drawing the line between victim and oppressor? if you insist, you can

press Egypt for my reparations - plus 3000+ years of interest & penalties.

I also reject categorically that Germans born today are responsible for the Nazis.

And if you care what the Constitution says, even for treason, it prohibits forfeiture of blood. If you don't know what that means, here's a link: http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-3/44-corruption-of-blood.html

[dembotoz]

6. Bet billo does not interview massacre victims families wanting gun control

[jtuck004]

7. Lets jail 'em for as long as we jail thieving, lying bank$ter/donors who have killed far more.n/t

[Sunlei]

10. 'for profit' has taken over the detention centers & Federal immigrant prisons.

Children and their Mothers now sit in USA 'for profit'internment camps.

5 year mandatory prison? at a cost to the taxpayers of a million a 'prisoner'? when they can buy a plane ticket and fly the man to mexico city for $200.

[PersonNumber503602]

36. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the detaining of those immigrants are all for profit.

People will say "well what are you supposed to do with these people who keep coming back?"

They are against steep fines for companies who caught hiring undocumented immigrants. They are against making it easier for people to come here legally so they can actually be part of society. They are against policies changes that would eventually improve the situations in central american countries, thus making it so less people will try to illegally immigrate.

They only support options that make money for corporations (or certain types of people) What's even worse is that many of the people who support such things don't realize what they are supporting. And no one actually seems to want to solve problems either. Someone could come up with an ideal solution for every problem in the world, and people will be against it for purely political reasons. Grant you both sides have people like that, but the conservatives are 1000 times worse, and it seems to be the rule rather than just some asshole exception.

Blah. I'm rambling. Sorry.


**my rant doesn't apply toward violent immigrants who came here illegally.

[Darb]

11. Wasn't that guy in prison for about 12 of the last 15 years?

The system is obviously broken and need of reform. If the Repukes block a fix for long enough, I am sure we will see more instances of their fear coming to reality, however infrequent.

Reform the system please and quit whining about it.

[cstanleytech]

13. Reform what part exactly? The immigration part? The prison part?

[Gormy Cuss]

15. 5 felony convictions

all for immigration violations. IOW, nonviolent offenses.

Sanchez deserves the same treatment now as anyone else accused of a violent crime. His immigration status isn't that relevant to the Steinle case.

It sure is a handy case for xenophobics though.

[cstanleytech]

22. Which is why need immigration reform in this country.

Lower the punishment for simply being caught here illegally the first time or two down to a misdemeanor as long as the person has not committed any violent or major felony such as armed robbery or say for example trying to sale 5 pounds of heroin or something, ya know something big.
And as for people immigrating to here I think it should be easier for them to do, after all it brings in fresh people with new ideas and as long as they are willing to work and agree to keep out of trouble great and eventually they should be granted full citizenship as a reward.
I mean hell there are alot of assholes who were born here who dont work anywhere near as hard as most of the immigrants who do come here illegally work.

[PersonNumber503602]

37. Exactly. He's a horrible criminal, but the focus on his immigration status is bullshit

Do we focus on the citizenship of every US citizen when he/she kills someone? It's nonsense.

[cstanleytech]

14. Ok OP I will state our immigration policy needs a major overhaul and it needs to be more open

to allow those who show a willingness to work and be productive to enter and be granted citizenship after 10 years if they are not arrested and convicted more than 3 times in a 10 year period for a misdemeanor or 2 times for a felony but on the other hand I can see being harsher towards people who have committed violent felonies and or other major crimes at getting harsher prison terms if they are caught inside the US being here illegally again.
Now I realize people will of course ignore the law and come back anyway knowing the risk they are taking but if it makes even one of the ones convicted of a violent felony and or major crime rethink it and not do so then its done its job and potentially saved a life.

[closeupready]

23. As sympathetic as I am to Steinle's family, our criminal justice

system is not used as a means of accommodating the whims of current scandals like Heinle's horrifying murder.

VERY sad for Steinle's family and loved ones, though.

[bemildred]

24. Willie Horton comes to mind.

Is this going to be a political football?

[yurbud]

27. illegal immigrants are here because employers want cheap labor they can push around

seriously punish the farmers, factory owners, and janitorial companies that use them by giving them jail time, and the problem will diminish.

We also need to see what we can do to UNscrew Mexico, so people will want to stay home.

I don't especially care one way or the other. I like having lots of different kinds of people around.

But I dislike that the right gets to have their cake and eat it too: the rich get cheap, unregulated labor, and the rednecks get a scapegoat to kick around.

[candelista]

29. The one thing you forgot to discuss:

Continually increasing the size of the unskilled labor pool reduces wages in accordance the laws of supply and demand. This harms the worst-off Americans, many of whom are black.

How about a little sympathy for the poorest Americans citizens? Didn't that occur to you? Is that politically incorrect?

You can call me a bigot and call this a "RW talking point" if you want. It's true no matter what you call it.

[yurbud]

30. I do have sympathy for them, but I don't have a visceral aversion to immigrants.

For the right, this is an emotional issue that is of a piece with their hatred of blacks, Muslims, gays, and anyone discernibly different from them.

[candelista]

34. "Visceral aversions" aside, continued mass illegal immigration is unsustainable.

The US working class will be driven back to the 19th Century if the flood continues.