Historic Nuclear Deal Reached With Iran

[tomm2thumbs]

Source: NYTimes

Iran and a group of six nations led by the United States have agreed to a historic accord to significantly limit Tehran’s nuclear ability for more than a decade in return for lifting international oil and financial sanctions against Iran, a senior Western diplomat involved in the negotiations said on Tuesday.

Diplomats have declined to provide details until Secretary of State John Kerry and his Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif, speak at that event. Mr. Obama is expected to make a public statement in Washington, beginning a long process to sell the deal to Congress and the American public.

But the Western diplomat, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing confidential talks, signaled that all of the main outstanding issues had been resolved, including the thorny question of how many years an embargo on conventional arms shipments into and out of Iran would remain in place.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-deal-is-reached-after-long-negotiations.html

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[Cha]

1. Thank you, t2t.. Mahalo SOS Kerry and President Obama!

[MBS]

2. Bravo, Sec. Kerry and Pres. Obama n/t

[bananas]

3. Page not found - need to add "tml" to the end of the url

".html" has been truncated to ".h"

[tomm2thumbs]

4. thanks, apparently too long -- will include link in commentary

much appreciated

[BrotherIvan]

5. Well done

[karynnj]

6. This is incredible

This really is a big deal.

[True Blue Door]

7. If it pans out, Obama deserves ANOTHER Nobel Peace Prize.

And Kerry his first.

[Drunken Irishman]

18. Hell, give him another term...

...I can dream, anyway.

[Cha]

23. Gettin' shite done.

[Hekate]

24. God, don't I wish

[tomm2thumbs]

48. Kerry really appeared to be a reasonable participant in this, expectations, etc

His comments following the agreement signing and answering several questions.

[Recursion]

8. Hell yes (nt)

[eridani]

9. WAPo article

Please write your congresscritters to defend this.

Historic nuclear deal with Iran expected to be announced

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/historic-nuclear-deal-with-iran-expected-to-be-announced/2015/07/14/

After 17 grueling days of negotiations to break more than a decade of deadlock on Iran’s nuclear program, negotiators on Tuesday were expected to announce a historic agreement to rein in the country’s nuclear capacity and lift sanctions.

Negotiators from seven countries talked until past 1 a.m. Tuesday morning in a last minute push to get a deal that had been delayed time and time again over a handful of remaining hurdles.

But as a rainy dawn broke over the Austrian capital, it was believed that the top diplomats from Iran, the United States, France, Britain, Russia, China and Germany had finally reached a breakthrough.

Though diplomats have hinted for days that they were just steps away from a finalized deal, they had trouble settling a few last differences. Chief among them was what would happen to an embargo on conventional weapons and missiles that is part of U.N Security Council resolutions designed to bring Iran to the negotiating table.

[tomm2thumbs]

10. Seems like the 'Obama second term blues' are speeding through the galaxy, en route to Pluto & beyond

So much for the naysayers and doom shakers

[Hekate]

27. Gives Lame Duck a whole new meaning, don't it? roflmao

[tomm2thumbs]

32. Gives 'Lame Republican Presidents' a whole new meaning as well

Seems like a lot of sh*t is going to be cleaned up and dealt with before anyone even has to enter the final Presidential Election in 2016

[tomm2thumbs]

11. Oil Prices Tumbling on News --

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-prices-tumble-iran-global-073408210.html

Any wonder why the GOP doesn't want to see this kind of thing happen??

Front-month Brent crude futures dropped over 2 percent and more than a dollar to $56.66 a barrel by 0637 GMT. U.S. crude was trading down $1.21 at $50.99 per barrel.

"Sanctions have crippled Iran's oil production, halving oil exports and severely limiting new development projects. The prospect of them being lifted is creating great excitement ... as foreign trade and investment will allow Iran to make huge efficiencies and drive down the cost of production," said Sarosh Zaiwalla, a London-based sanctions lawyer.

Yet analysts say it would take Iran many months to fully ramp up its export capacity following any easing of sanctions. But even a modest initial increase would be enough to pull international oil prices down further as the market is already producing around 2.5 million barrels per day above demand.

[Sunlei]

42. The world is full of easy crude & technology to drill. For to long the industry has price-set.

Let competition set the price.

Same with drug costs. Fine, let Drug Corp have a reasonable number of years of mega profit with a drug patent to set the price, 12 years or what Obama asks for- 7 year patent is enough. Then let competition set a much lower price.

[Surya Gayatri]

12. Historical convergence? The FRENCH REVOLUTION began on this very day - 14 juillet 1789...

The French Revolution as It Appeared to Enthusiasts at Its Commencement

~ William Wordsworth

Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,

But to be young was very heaven!—Oh! times,

In which the meagre, stale, forbidding ways

Of custom, law, and statute, took at once

The attraction of a country in romance!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

25. Now that's cool.

[Surya Gayatri]

30. N'est-ce pas? Think they planned it this way?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

33. je ne sais pas.

[cosmicone]

49. Bonne fête nationale mon amie!!

Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrivé!
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'étendard sanglant est levé
Entendez-vous dans nos campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras.
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes!

[Surya Gayatri]

52. Merci mon ami ! Il fait beau, plus ou moins - et c'est une journée rémarquable !

[cosmicone]

57. Mais bien sûr !! n/t

[SunSeeker]

14. K & R

[MissHoneychurch]

15. These are fantastic news

I am glad the peace makers on both sides were able to make this deal without the warmongers getting in the way. Now I hope for the Iranian people that their live will get better. They deserve it.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. K&R

[left-of-center2012]

17. Republicans will be furious!

How dare Obama succeed at anything?

[Hekate]

29. That list of his? Rhymes with bucket! And the list is getting shorter every day. nt

[Cosmocat]

40. Good day for america and the world

Means them going full jackass, the media gleefully advancing their hissyfit as legitimate and sadly a good chunk of this country gobbling it up.

[erronis]

75. Let's hope that one or more pops a gasket - on CNN!

Nothing more fun that to watch a Winger have an aortic gusher on screen.

Of course, none of them really care at all, especially not to get all hot and bothered. It's all just theater.

Now I'm wondering, just like Madison Avenue advertising, does anyone care about theater anymore? Is it just a Fux, NBC, etc. contraption?

[JI7]

19. i know a lot of people from there and they say sanctions have really hurt their country

[lamp_shade]

20. Harsh words... HARSH words out of Israel (CNN just now).

Poor Bibi.

[CTyankee]

47. Bibi and his far right wing base doesn't speak for all Israelis...

there are plenty of leftists and centrists who can make up their own minds...and will...

[Hekate]

21. Obama said he would do it, and he did--like so much else. If it was up to Dubya, McCain...

...the Congressional 47, and all that bunch we would right now be mired in a bloody and unwinnable war. Here's a huge up yours to all of them.

As for Obama and Kerry's: Blessed are the peacemakers.

[craigmatic]

22. Kerry needs to stay on as SOS if the dems win in 2016.

[mylye2222]

26. A hundred times do I AGREE!

But with HRC as Prez it won' t happen....

[craigmatic]

28. You're probably right. I bet she gets rid of at least 60% of the current cabinet. I'd like to

See Kerry and the AG stay.

[Hekate]

31. A new president is entitled to 100% new Cabinet members and they always do so....

Also, it is traditional for the whole Cabinet to offer resignation letters at the beginning of a president's second term, in order for him (or her) to choose who will remain and who will be replaced.

I do not understand how some here can take the most ordinary functions of government, Apply them to a hypothetical HRC presidency or her actual Secretary of State term, and somehow make them sound like a crime has been perpetrated or is being contemplated. It just makes those people sound ignorant.

[underthematrix]

34. That wasn't true with the secretary of state in the past. Wasn't it Kissinger

who was SOS for both Dem and GOP Presidents? Personally, I don't want AG Lynch or SoS Kerry to stay for a Clinton Presidency. They would be exposed to too many minefields.

[BlueMTexpat]

36. Kissinger was certainly never SoS for

any Dem President. https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/people/kissinger-henry-a

Members of the Cabinet serve at the pleasure of the President, which means that the President may dismiss or reappoint them (to other posts) at will. As noted, Cabinet Secretaries resign when a new President is elected. Ambassadors who are political appointees also resign. As with other Cabinet posts, the President only nominates; it is the Senate that must confirm the nominations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_States

The fact of Senate-required confirmation is just another reason to make sure that we elect a Dem majority in the Senate in 2016 for any Dem President, so that we can avoid the hijinks and stalling this GOPer-controlled Senate pulled with AG Lynch.

And yes, a President may reappoint a person who has served in a previous cabinet/or to an ambassadorial post and that has happened on occasion, e.g., the wonderful former Dem Senator (and former Senate Majority Leader) Mike Mansfield (MT) who was appointed Ambassador to Japan by President Carter and reappointed by Raygun, serving 10 years in all as Ambassador. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/06/us/mike-mansfield-longtime-leader-of-senate-democrats-dies-at-98.html

[karynnj]

41. He still has a lot more that he will do in the next 17 months

First he, Moniz and the rest of the administration need to help Obama get this through Congress. After that he has a wealth of problems to find solutions for.

A Boston Globe article on his long relationship with Moniz spoke of the two joining up on climate change. Moniz was an adviser to Kerry on this in 2004 and when he worked on it in the Senate. They did a great job working together on Iran.

Another recent article in the Boston Globe spoke of working on other issues with Zarif in addition to others on Aa political solution to Syria. Such a solution could be a game changer against ISIS - though it would be tough to get.

After 4 years at the pace he has put himself, he might be reluctant to continue another 4 years even if asked. He and Obama have a very similar view of the world. Not to mention, it is unlikely that another President and he would fit as well.

I know that after BC left office some spoke of him heading the UN. Kerry might actually be a better fit. Clinton was used to the executive power of the Presidency. Kerry's successes have been finding agreement.

I know there have been articles saying he needed this win. This requires ignoring his accomplishment getting CW out of Syria, the China climate pact that he was instrumental on, and the brokering of a solution to the contested Afghanistan election. With Feingold, he has helped in the African Great Lakes area. However, adding this makes him the most significant Secretary of State since George Marshall.

[BeanMusical]

35. This is for real? Realy?

OMG, I'm so relieved! What a wonderful news.

ETA: Shit I'm crying...

[tomm2thumbs]

38. POTUS delivered statement on Iran at 7am EST

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[OakCliffDem]

39. Right in the ballpark of a historical significant test

Seventy years ago on July 16, 1945, the United States conducted the Trinity test at Alamogordo, New Mexico.

[Gothmog]

43. To use Joe Biden's terminology, this is a BFD

[7962]

44. I see no mention of unrestricted inspections of military facilities

Without which this agreement will be played by Iran.
And Iran has always insisted that their program was only for nuclear power; are they finally admitting that was a lie? Does anyone realize that they have 19,000 centrifuges? Leaving them 1/3 of that still leaves over 6000.
Iran will play along just long enough for Obama to leave office.
Wonder what Hillary's response would be to the discovery of cheating....

[davidn3600]

45. Obama has gone out on a limb on this one

His entire foreign policy legacy is on the line.

The inspections are completely worthless. Iran will have weeks notice before any inspection is carried out. That's like the police telling a drug dealer that there will be a search warrant in 2 weeks.

[geek tragedy]

51. where did you get those talking points? nt

[Mosby]

64. yair lapid said something along those lines

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But the briefing Obama did this morning said that inspectors will have "24/7" access to Iranian nuclear sites.

Obama makes the deal sound like a slam dunk for the P5 + 1 (and Israel) my main concern is that there might be two different versions of the agreement. We will see.

[Cali_Democrat]

77. LOL

No surprise that you don't seem to like the Iran nuclear deal.

Too bad.

[davidn3600]

78. I don't dislike a peace deal.

I just don't trust them. I fully expect them to break the deal.

But we'll see....

[Cali_Democrat]

79. You fully expect Iran to break the deal?

The GOP is saying the same thing.

Funny that.

Who do you think you're trying to fool?

[davidn3600]

81. Like I said...

We'll see.

[Darb]

46. Iran has the right to nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

Plain and simple. Their agreeing to not make weapons is a big concessions right off the bat. The fact that you don't see anything yet in the agreement about anything doesn't amount to a hill of beans. This deal will stick and the world will be a better place for it.

[7962]

54. You have a funny definition of "rights"!

Obviously North Korea has those same rights too. WOnderful

[Darb]

72. Does Israel have the "right" to nuclear power or weapons?

They bomb their own cities for fuck's sake and nobody says boo about their arsenal. Not to mention their national PTSD issues.

North Korea is not Iran, or Israel for that matter.

[7962]

85. Israel bombs their own cities? Guess I missed that

And Iran signed the non proliferation treaty. Which obviously meant nothing to them

[Mosby]

65. no they don't, they signed the NPT

[jeff47]

71. So did Pakistan and India. What happened to them? (nt)

[Mosby]

80. Neither India or Pakistan have signed the NPT.

[Darb]

73. Sure they do.

Did we sign it? Are we improving our arsenal?

[roamer65]

68. They do have a right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.

They would have to renounce the NPT to weaponize, in other words, declare the intent.

[7962]

86. If their use was for peaceful purposes. Its not.

And everyone knows it

[geek tragedy]

50. so you think the next President won't be as tough on Iran as Obama has been?

Iran will play along just long enough for Obama to leave office.

You prefer war now to war later, then?

[7962]

60. Oh if its Hillary, I'm afraid she WILL be tougher

I believe she will want to show the world that just because shes a woman doesnt mean she cant run with the men. She did vote for the Iraq war, after all.

[DustyJoe]

53. inspections

Maybe they will dust off the old inspectors and their manuals from Saddam Husseins time, we all know how that went.
Iran already publicly stated no inspections on any military site of which you can be sure
all sites will be considered military.

[7962]

55. Exactly.

[blm]

58. How did it go?

.

[muriel_volestrangler]

62. It 'went' with Saddam losing all his working WMD

and the inspectors showing that. And then Bush launched his invasion anyway.

And the IAEA got the 2005 Nobel for being right: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/nobel-peace-prize

[geek tragedy]

66. you remember that Saddam didn't have WMDs under that inspection regime, right? nt

[blm]

56. LOL - RW Talking Points.

Yes - you ARE so much more grave and thorough about these matters than Kerry, arentcha? LOLOLOL

[7962]

59. So then they ARE mentioned? Care to show us where?

And the timetable?
No, you just want to fawn all over something that you dont even have the details of. I'm not going to blindly jump for joy just because I'm told to.
Show us the facts.

[blm]

61. LOL - You fawn over RW talking points all the time. LOLOLOL

If there is a RW talking point left unsaid, it won't be by you, eh 7962?


LOLOLOLOL

[7962]

63. You must have a parrot. "RW talking points, RW talking points!"

But like the parrot, no answers!

[blm]

69. Read the agreement, genius. Or will you await Lindsey Graham's insightful analysis?

LOLOLOL

The only parrot around here is you.

[7962]

84. Yes, I read where the Iranians get 24 DAYS notice before inspections.

WHat a joke. I could have my house cleaned up in that length of time. And it also lifts strategic arms embargo which wasnt even on the table to begin with.
But hey, you think 24 days is "constant" inspection, wonderful. Iran will refill their arsenal, refill their banks and then keep on doing the same ol crap

[blm]

87. LOLOL - What a clueless reply. Lindsey Graham think it up for you?

Wouldn't you be more at home pissin' and moaning' about Iran deal somewhere else?

[7962]

88. Yet you STILL only have insults. No answers. Typical!

You still have a chance to show me where I'm wrong. Show me that section of the agreement. You wont, because you cant. Its still "in progress"
Go read NPR's analysis. You know that right wing rag, NPR?

[blm]

89. LOL - Like you give a flying flock. Funny how you always manage to side with

Republicans and neocons.

You and Dick Cheney have more in common than you and me, that's for sure.

I'm completely comfortable with the Iran deal - every part of it, because it turned out even BETTER and STRONGER than anyone amongst the mewling neocons expected. And every RW neocon knows that truth even as they deny it. They can't stand progress.

I'm with Kerry - you're with Cheney. Just like in 2004, right?

[7962]

90. Cheney? Ha! The man who put us into Iraq with his lies? Despise him.

We'll see how "good" of a deal this is. You may actually be right! Probably not something you're used to, but it COULD happen! And I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. I WANT to be wrong. I just know the history of Iran. They signed the NPT and ignored it, why would this agreement be any different. Still waiting for you to show me where my 1st statement about inspections was wrong. Guess it'll be a long wait.
I guess you're also a big supporter of the TPP? Since it seems ANY criticism of the president is "RW talking points", you CANT be against it.

[blm]

91. LOL - Nope - you couldn't POSSIBLY know me.

.

[roamer65]

67. Nuttyyahoo is already bitching about it.

Says it will lead to a nuclear war.

[historylovr]

70. K & R, and kudos to President Obama and Sec of State Kerry.

[tomm2thumbs]

74. Amazing the kind of news that happens just after midnight

It is going to be a great July!

[PBass]

76. Yes, but what has Obama ever actually ACCOMPLISHED?

Just kidding, GREAT NEWS!

And a hearty FU to my idiot friends who think "the Democrat and Republican parties are the same!"

[LeftishBrit]

82. Good news!

[myrna minx]

83. What a profound, historic day. Thank you Mr President and and you Secretary Kerry.

I'm still taking it in.