Netanyahu says Israel not bound by Iran deal as he hints at military strike

[DonViejo]

Source: AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Tuesday after world powers reached a historic nuclear deal with Iran that Israel was not bound by it and signalled he remained ready to order military action.

Netanyahu’s harsh criticism of the agreement came after he warned for months that the deal being negotiated would not prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

While analysts say unilateral military action by Israel seems unlikely for now, Netanyahu and other officials have kept the option on the table.

“Israel is not bound by this deal with Iran, and Israel is not bound by this deal with Iran because Iran continues to seek our destruction,” Netanyahu told reporters before a meeting of his security cabinet. “We will always defend ourselves.”

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/netanyahu-says-israel-not-bound-by-iran-deal-as-he-hints-at-military-strike/

[peacebird]

1. If Israel unilaterally strikes Iran then we should let Israel stand alone.

[oberliner]

2. We always have let Israel stand alone in all its previous conflicts

In fact, we even asked them not to respond to being hit with scud missiles from Iraq as a result of our invasion of that country.

[peacebird]

6. Good. Just saying if they get more of a response from Tehran than they expect, no crying for us

To step in and help them out.

[still_one]

18. It is called saber rattling, they won't do it, just as Iran won't do a

pre-emotive against Israel

That none sense has been going on for years. It is in neither countries interest

[jtuck004]

13. Under American Bombs in Gaza Food for Palestinians and bombs for Israel. Uncle Sam gives to both—

...
—just not equally.
AL ATATRA, Gaza — During the brief ceasefire in a ferocious little war, as Gaza’s people go back to their shattered homes to look for whatever is left to find, from Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun to Khuzaa, they come across the tailfins of American-supplied 120mm mortar rounds. The things are embedded in living room couches and rest amid smashed stucco and concrete slabs that used to be someone’s walls. Craters and the twisted wreckage of buildings collapsed by bombs from the U.S.-made F16 “multirole fighters” in the Israeli air force are now part of the Gaza moonscape. Beneath some of the former homes and businesses, the bodies of those who couldn’t escape American-supplied firepower are still decomposing.

Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. military assistance in the world—about $3.1 billion a year these days, and some $80 billion since the 1960s (without adjusting for inflation). As this war in Gaza drags on, Washington is committed to resupplying Israel with the weapons it needs to continue its assault. On July 30, the Pentagon, which stockpiles weapons in Israel, announced it was turning over large but unspecified quantities of 120mm mortar rounds (which were about to pass their shoot-by dates) to the Israeli military in a transaction so routine the White House didn’t even need to be notified. Except that there’s nothing routine about the Gaza slaughter. And that ammunition was needed by Israel to continue its offensive.
...
For many Gazans, Israel’s use of U.S.-supplied weapons to destroy their lives and kill their friends and relatives is a reality they resigned themselves to long ago. While there is anger at America as Israel’s enabler, there is more indignation at the hypocrisy of Washington offering aid to their maimed society, crippled with the help of Washington’s weaponry.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/04/under-american-bombs-in-gaza.html


Not that alone.

[oberliner]

20. We do sell and/or give them weapons

But we've never sent troops to fight alongside them as we have with some of our other friends.

[jtuck004]

22. I'm sure some dad holding his broken daughter's body would be comforted by that, as he gazes on

the tail section of our mortars.

[Scootaloo]

40. No one claimed that we did.

You're moving your goal posts, Oberliner.

Seriously man, honesty is not difficult.

[Spider Jerusalem]

46. And $3 billion a year in "military aid" (n/t)

[Cali_Democrat]

30. We should also stop giving aid to Israel and stop all military cooperation

Let them manufacture their own missiles, helicopters, jets, bombs etc.

Let's see if they can really stand on their own...or if they still need diapers.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. Point well taken. NutnYahoo needs to STFU and stand down.

[former9thward]

58. They do make their arms.

And sell them to the U.S. Some of Israel's customers are Britain, India, Singapore, Turkey, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Sweden, Portugal, United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Colombia, Holland, Italy, Germany, Spain, Thailand, Macedonia, Belgium, Brazil, Chile, Switzerland, Ecuador, Mexico, Finland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Equatorial Guinea, Poland, Argentina, Egypt, Pakistan, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates, Morocco, Russia, Sri Lanka, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.567696

[Scootaloo]

39. Except for all the emergency funding and war materiel shipments and interventions for them in the UN

Seriously Oberliner, do you think you're fooling anyone?

[yellowcanine]

43. Not really. Nixon massively resupplied them in 1973.

It was a major reason for the Arab oil embargo that year.

[drray23]

65. not really.

we keep replenishing their weapon stores whenever they ask. During the last bombing campaign against Gaza they were running low and we send them a rush order..

[cstanleytech]

10. I suspect if they do strike it will be only if it looks like Iran has a nuke or almost has one.

Right now they dont have one and if they follow through on this agreement they wont have one which imo is a win win for everyone because more nuclear weapons does not make an area safer (nor does more nuclear reactors come to think of it) plus the embargo on Iran will be lifted which will be good for the Iranian people to which is the best bonus of all.

[djean111]

3. This is why I think it would be foolish for Obama to go to Tehran, as someone here suggested.

Netanyahu is unhinged enough to do something terrible, and our GOP Congress would likely enable him and cheer the results.
Sorry if that sounds all CT and such, but a lot of those people are either unhinged or consumed by hate and/or the promise of profits. When those collide, bad things happen. And it is always easier to say oops, after the fact.

[cstanleytech]

11. How dare you suggest that republicans might not be honorable!!!! Not a single republican would dare

to betray their country for any reason not even to another country by doing something dastardly like sabotaging peace talks or arranging for American citizens to held as hostages longer in secret or order people to be tortured to get information.

[jtuck004]

14. +1 n/t

[KamaAina]

4. Good luck with that, Netanyahoo!

[BeyondGeography]

5. What a loser

[DavidDvorkin]

7. I suspect this is purely for domestic political consumption.

[Dont call me Shirley]

8. A Sociopath delights in harshing on the peaceful triumphs of others.

[geek tragedy]

9. If he does, then every person who dies from an Hezbollah missile will be on his head nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

12. Quick! Someone get this man a plane. He has a lot of ass kicking to deliver. nt

[oberliner]

25. I think his combat days are behind him, but he did serve in the military

As most citizens of Israel do (unlike our American chicken hawks).

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

27. So? Why leave all the fun to others? I say

give him one of these and let him do his thing.

[randys1]

28. He can take my grandson and your daughter with him, or the republicans will do that.

But neither Bibi or Billo or Rushbo or Sean Hannity or Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee or Jeb Bush or Donald Trump or Scott Walker will EVER go and fight or risk a sun burn, let alone an injury or death.

They will, however, easily and gladly kill my kids and yours while playing war.

[former9thward]

62. Netanyahu was wounded on mulitiple occasions.

After high school he enlisted in the Israel Defense Forces. He trained as a combat soldier and served for five years in an elite special forces unit of the IDF, Sayeret Matkal. He took part in numerous cross-border assault raids during the 1967–70 War of Attrition, rising to become a team-leader in the unit. He was wounded in combat on multiple occasions. He was involved in many other missions, including Operation Inferno (1968), and the rescue of the hijacked Sabena Flight 571 in May 1972 in which he was shot in the shoulder.

After completing his army service in 1972, Netanyahu returned to the United States in late 1972 to study architecture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He returned to Israel in October 1973 to serve in the Yom Kippur War in the Sayeret Matkal commando unit. While there, he fought in special forces raids along the Suez Canal against the Egyptian forces, before leading a commando attack deep inside Syrian territory, whose mission remains classified today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu

[uhnope]

15. Using diplomacy to keep Iran's vicious theocracy from getting nukes is another great accomplishment

of our president.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. Try it, Israel. You won't like the results.

[geek tragedy]

21. 100,000 reasons why they probably won't

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hezbollah-hiding-100000-missiles-that-can-hit-north-army-says/

[restorefreedom]

17. they are free to do as they wish

but if they start a war with a country that we are in the process of signing a peace agreement with, they're on their own. I don't want to see one American soldier or one American dollar go to fund such a war.

[oberliner]

23. Pretty sure we are not in the process of signing a peace agreement with Iran

Definitely not what this is.

[restorefreedom]

26. i guess i think of it as such

even though it's a nuclear agreement, I kind of think of it as a way to avoid war. But I guess I should've been more clear about that. Since it's not technically correct.

[Sunlei]

19. “We will always defend ourselves" of course, thats not a hint (stupid headline) Of course

if attacked Israel will defend itself.

They would flatten Iran back to slag and sand if Iran attacked Israel.

Saudi Arabia would probably assist in wiping Iran off the face of the earth.

[oberliner]

24. What about his other quote?

“We did commit to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, and this commitment still stands..."

[Sunlei]

45. Sounds like the same deal several countries just agreed on today, Led by Kerry our American Hero.

[Depaysement]

31. You sound like you lust for it nt

[Sunlei]

44. No I don't lust for war, this is just a messageboard. There are no sounds here.

But I know Israel is never going away, no matter how much you lust for that.

[Depaysement]

49. Actually, I don't

But it seems like you want 80 million people wiped off the map. That's not healthy.

[Sunlei]

51. Speak for yourself please.

[Depaysement]

52. I usually do

But I don't seek the death of 80 million.

[Sunlei]

55. That's good, congratulations.

מזל טוב

[FlatBaroque]

50. Kissinger gave Israel until 2022

In a 2012 interview with the New York Post, Kissinger made the following blanket statement:

“In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.”

[Sunlei]

54. What else do you expect from a Gemini born in Germany?

[cosmicone]

32. Israel doesn't have enough force to even give a paper cut to Iran

Iran has 125 million people and it is three times as big as Iraq. It is also extremely mountainous and its people are fiercely patriotic, belonging to a civilization older than the Jewish civilization.

Israel will bomb a few peripheral installations and it will probably the beginning of the end of Israel.

[Sunlei]

42. Its a stupid headline. 'Israel will not attack Iran first. But if attacked, they will fight back.

Fiercely.

Just like they beat off Egypt, even though the USA Gov. refused to sell them any WW2 surplus or planes, they got planes and pilots to fly those planes and won the war anyway.

Netanyahu is another BS warmonger, the exact same as Republican BS warmongers. All Media headline "HINTS"and threats

[onenote]

61. When did Iran get 125 million people?

They may be touching 80 million, but they are a long long way from 125 million.
And while Iran's ground forces outnumber Israel's, Israel has a big lead in air power and tanks over Iran.

[cosmicone]

64. How will the tanks get to Iran?

And .. with very sophisticated Russian air defenses, Israeli planes would suffer heavy losses.

If it was easy, Bibi would have done it by now.

[onenote]

70. where are your missing 45 million Iranians?

[cosmicone]

72. I'll take the 125 million back if you will retreat your tanks!! n/t

[onenote]

74. At least the tanks are real.

And while it is unlikely that Israel would wage an offensive tank war against Iran (not because of Iran's terrain, but because the Iranian border isn't contiguous with any part of Israel), it's not clear how Iran would destroy Israel as you suggest would be the case.

[Jack Rabbit]

29. I'd tell you what I think should be done about Netanyahu

. . . but I don't have enough milk and cookies for when Agent Mike drops in for a visit to my place.

[cosmicone]

34. Does Bernie Sanders have enough courage to condemn Bibi? n/t

[MuseRider]

59. "I am not a great fan"

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/16/bernie_sanders_im_not_a_great_fan_of_benjamin_netanyahu_partner/

[cosmicone]

63. That is wishy washy

"not a great fan" is not a condemnation.

[MuseRider]

67. You might try reading.

There is much more there, including the fact that candidates rarely criticize Israel during an election. Hillary defended Netanyahu in an article in 2014. So there IS a clear difference between the 2 candidates. The OP is not about them however, I was only responding to you.

Really, try reading the article. It isn't even very long!

[cosmicone]

73. Translation: "Bernie gets a pass" again and again ... n/t

[MuseRider]

75. Really?

How so? He is quoted, he said what he said. Hillary said what she said. I happen to agree more with Sanders. That is not giving him a pass, that is stating that his thoughts align with mine more than hers. If you are talking about the media, really? Oh yes, they are all in the wagon with Bernie.

[DLnyc]

35. I don't think Israel is bound to keep this warmongering nutcase in office much longer.

Now that Bibi has has burned his relationship with the US to the ground, and no longer has his Iranian bogey monster to wave about, I expect he will be forcibly retired in the near future by the people of Israel.

[Romeo.lima333]

36. nuttyyahoo rattlin his sabres

[sadoldgirl]

37. No, Bibi is just shooting his big mouth off,

but I am sure he will try to buy off any member
of Congress through AIPAC to destroy the chances
of this treaty.
One could call that foreign interference, but then
since our congress seems to be for sale anyway .......

I wait for the VETO.

[Xolodno]

38. Bibi ain't doing shit.

Most of Iran's facilities on nuclear research are hardened and resistive to air strikes. Very little would be accomplished...and that's assuming they make it past the S-300 SAM system.

The only other way would be to nuke the facilities....but, that may prove a bit counter-intuitive.

[Scootaloo]

41. Three words

Boycott.

Divestment.

Sanction.

[jaysunb]

47. +1 n/t

[ChiefJusticeIV]

48. Bibi is nervous

The reason he is alarmed by the nuclear deal is that if Iran abides by it and it is not a "historic mistake", much of his political career has been thoroughly discredited. I suspect THAT is what makes him concerned not a nuclear bomb.

[karynnj]

66. That and the repeated statement in many Israeli articles I have read

on their fear of the French/EU plan to bring a UN resolution that calls for peace talks --- all of which say the US had asked that this wait until the Iraq negotiations were complete -- which I assume will happen in a few months when all the approvals are done. If the US actually does join France's call - and there is little reason not to as their call is essentially similar to US policy, Israel really will stand alone --- or they will make the decisions that should have been made years ago.

Every year, they get harder. Around 1967, they could have easily created two states. Now, it is tougher unless you consider that just as some Palestinians live in Israel (inside the green line), there could be Jews living in the Palestinian state. Not to mention, in all other countries we recommend inclusive government, not division into multiple states.

[Dawson Leery]

53. If Bibi decides for a unilateral strike,

he will stand alone and will find very little sympathy when Iran defends itself with force.

Bibi knows that he will be isolated which is why the chickenhawk most likely won't do anything.

[oasis]

60. McCain and Lindsay Graham had better get those uniforms outta mothballs.

[GoneFishin]

56. He's a typical right winger. Rules and cooperation are for everyone else, meanwhile he does

whatever the fuck he wants, then wages propaganda campaigns to do damage control and avoid accountability.

[Owl]

57. Netanyahu absolutely positively sucks.

Ugh. EOM.

[Reter]

68. If they do, wouldn't it be beautiful if the US goes to war with Israel?

I think that's one war we would all support.

[onenote]

71. You're mistaken about that. And about a lot of things, I would imagine.

[dembotoz]

69. Will that make Israel a terrorist state?

[Lil Missy]

76. And it's long past time to quit giving Israel military aid. n/t

[NBachers]

77. Yip! Yip! Yap! Yap! Rrrrgh Rrrrrgh lunge for ankle and dart back barkbarkbarkbark yap squeal whine

pee on the carpet