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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 05:50 PM Jul 2015

Radical left protests in Germany over bailout deal ‘coup’ against Greeks

Source: Guardian Online

Protesters have taken to the streets in 14 German cities to show their anger with their government’s handling of the Greek crisis, as opposition to the bailout deal appeared to be growing within Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrat (CDU) party.

Anti-austerity demonstrations by a vocal minority of Germans took place in cities including Berlin, Frankfurt and Hamburg, with the radical left in the EU’s economic powerhouse proclaiming its solidarity with those across the world who are furious with Berlin for its role in forming Monday’s agreement.

“It’s a protest against the undemocratic politics of Europe,” said Marek Polgesek, a 25-year-old student from western Germany. “Germany isn’t solely responsible, but it has an exceptional history, bringing great responsibility, which the government is not living up to.”


In Berlin, several hundred protesters gathered on Oranienplatz in Kreuzberg waving Greek flags and banners stating simply “Oxi” (no in Greek) or #thisisacoup. Wassilia Fotiadou held a home-made sign pleading for “no more crimes out of Germany.”


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/15/radical-left-protests-across-germany-over-bailout-deal-coup-against-greeks

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Radical left protests in Germany over bailout deal ‘coup’ against Greeks (Original Post) magical thyme Jul 2015 OP
"Radical left" PSPS Jul 2015 #1
+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #2
Or "terrorists" ananda Jul 2015 #3
Unless they are really "Radical left". Remember the "leftists" like Baader Meinhof uhnope Jul 2015 #5
So this revolutionary leftist and Trotskyist has a question for you......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2015 #7
Red Baiting B.S. again and again and again. 2banon Jul 2015 #10
Maybe they get paid. candelista Jul 2015 #20
forgot to mention, that was an excellent question you posed.. 2banon Jul 2015 #11
What's yours? I see lots of people sayin NO, but what's next? Adrahil Jul 2015 #13
Let me guess. The "revolutionary leftist" thinks the solution is to uhnope Jul 2015 #14
Sounds like you're talking about anarchists. My solution...... socialist_n_TN Jul 2015 #21
lol. oh yeah exactly. Bow down, that's what I advocate. uhnope Jul 2015 #15
What the fuck is a trust fund???????.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2015 #22
don't you mean, what the fuck is a totalitarian??????? uhnope Jul 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #17
This is NOT new, my Father was a 51 year old "Young Radical" in 1970 happyslug Jul 2015 #19
Good to see that someones over recognize their 'great responsibility.' elleng Jul 2015 #4
Open letter by Sahra Wagenknecht to Angela Merkel reorg Jul 2015 #6
Fantastic!! I'd like to be able to rec this! nt elias49 Jul 2015 #8
she's awesome! ty....I'm listening to a 2013 interview with her magical thyme Jul 2015 #9
I'd love to hear this interview. do you have the link handy? 2banon Jul 2015 #12
it's at her website under "about myself-videos" magical thyme Jul 2015 #18
thanks so much! n/t 2banon Jul 2015 #24
a great letter, sounds exactly like what the banks did to the USA. "you protected banks and hedge fu Sunlei Jul 2015 #16

PSPS

(13,601 posts)
1. "Radical left"
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jul 2015

It's only a matter of time before the media labels any resistance as the work of "insurgents."

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
5. Unless they are really "Radical left". Remember the "leftists" like Baader Meinhof
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jul 2015

& Red Army Faction who gave the world terrorism in the 70's.

These protests have "Trotskyist" factions that hold workshops on how maybe Putin is the good guy in the invasion of Ukraine...

Sounds like the kind of confused and malevolent folks who think they are "leftist" while posting about how fascist invader Putin is a really a savior and Gaddafi was working class hero. Fuck that

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
7. So this revolutionary leftist and Trotskyist has a question for you.........
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jul 2015

What's your solution? Bow down to the bankers and the wealthy?

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
10. Red Baiting B.S. again and again and again.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jul 2015

Good Grief.. how do these John Bircher trolls get away with this moronic propaganda?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
13. What's yours? I see lots of people sayin NO, but what's next?
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 11:14 PM
Jul 2015

I'd love to see a solution. I have yet to see one that doesn't suck.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
14. Let me guess. The "revolutionary leftist" thinks the solution is to
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 11:42 PM
Jul 2015

run around with a mask on, break windows, burn a cop car, and complain about how the system oppressing his trust-fund ass.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
21. Sounds like you're talking about anarchists. My solution......
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jul 2015

would be to nationalize the banks, occupy the means of production and ESPECIALLY the means of production involving survival, a general strike and workers taking the power in society. You know, a basic Bolshevik strategy, which then spreads to the rest of Europe.

And if you want to compare working class bone fides with this "ass", you WILL lose.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
15. lol. oh yeah exactly. Bow down, that's what I advocate.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jul 2015

the usual solution I give to Trotskyites and RCP types is to cash in their trust funds and give it to Yanis in the name of totalitarians like Trotsky

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
22. What the fuck is a trust fund???????....
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jul 2015

Don't play the "who's more working class" with this guy because you WILL lose.

Response to PSPS (Reply #1)

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
19. This is NOT new, my Father was a 51 year old "Young Radical" in 1970
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jul 2015

My Father participated in the Pittsburgh part of the 1970 Postal Strike. After he had help win the vote to go a strike, another meeting was called. In that second meeting a vote went out to send the ballots to continue the strike home, instead of having a vote at the union meeting. The leadership wanted to home vote so that wives could influence their husband to vote to end the strike. MY Father OPPOSED the motion for he believed he had to votes in the meeting to continue the strike, thus the motion was an attempt to get a vote to end the strike, a vote not possible in the actual union meeting. When the motion to send the ballots home was carried, my father, then 51 and another letter carrier, age 55, walked out of the meeting in protest. The Local Newspaper reported this as "Two young radicals walked out of the meeting in protest".

The media will portray anyone who oppose what they really what done in the worse possible language of the time period. In 1970 the worse term was "Young Radicals" no matter the age of the people involved. Today it is "Insurgents" or worse.

Now the "Left" is an actual political party in Germany. It started out as the reminds of the old ruling Communist party of East Germany, but has changed radically since the dissolution of East Germany, but most of its power base is still in what use to be East Germany:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Left_(Germany)

reorg

(3,317 posts)
6. Open letter by Sahra Wagenknecht to Angela Merkel
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jul 2015
"Madam Chancellor, change your policy. Before it is too late."
July 10th, 2015

Madam Chancellor,

Europe is in a bad condition. All over Europe it is the hard-working people with ordinary wages who pay most taxes while the rich people duck away. Many wage-earners are not able to live off their job income. Also in Germany. After a life of hard work, often enough, a miserable pension looms. The wealth of millionaires, however, has reached new peaks. In all of Europe the states are highly indebted because they have taken over the losses of irresponsible bankers and speculators. Greece´s debt is particularly high. Here, a corrupt political class together with Greek oligarchs and the international banks has shamelessly accumulated wealth for years and years. Since the introduction of the Euro especially, the party was on. Many small and medium-sized enterprises on the other hand were swept from the market by the new currency which was way too hard for Greece.

In the year 2010 Greece was bankrupt. It was clear already then that it would not be able to repay its debt. Yet despite that, Madam Chancellor, in 2010 you set the course for Germany and the other Euro countries to accept the liability for the Greek debt. By so doing you protected banks and hedge funds from losses in the billions. For the European tax payer who was never asked, however, this decision was a fatal error. It was clear from the beginning that a high amount of our money would be lost. Together with other parliamentarians of the Left I pointed this out to you in the Bundestag. You would not listen to it.

...

Greece does not need a new "aid package" only in order to pay off old debt with new debt. Greece needs a haircut. It must be relieved, at least for three to five years, from the pressure to pay interest and repayment which it cannot shoulder by its own means anyway. Greece also does not need more social cuts but investments and a hefty levy on wealth at the expense of its oligarchs. What is necessary is an unbundling of the Greek economy in which today roundabout 800 immensely rich family clans hold solid monopolies and dictate the prices. Those are the reforms that would set the country on track, and not more pension cuts, VAT increase and privatizations.

You ought to remember: also the German reconstruction became possible by means of a generous debt haircut. After the Second World War Germany was granted a reduction of two thirds of its old debt. Only that way the economic miracle could have a full start. At that time we were indebted also to the Greeks, a debt that was never repaid. Madam Chancellor, change your policy. Before it is too late.

http://www.sahra-wagenknecht.de/en/article/2163.madam-chancellor-change-your-policy-before-it-is-too-late.html

Sahra Wagenknecht is the designated co-chair of the Left Party which represents about 10 percent of German voters.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
16. a great letter, sounds exactly like what the banks did to the USA. "you protected banks and hedge fu
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jul 2015

"you protected banks and hedge funds from losses in the billions."

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