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struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 06:10 PM Aug 2015

Julian Assange case: UK to make formal protest to Ecuador

Source: Times of India

Kounteya Sinha,TNN
Aug 14, 2015, 10.23 PM IST

... Britain's minister of state in the foreign office Hugo Swire said that Ecuador must recognise that its decision to harbour Assange more than three years ago has prevented the proper course of justice.

Swire said "As a result, some of the serious sexual allegations against him will now expire. It is completely unacceptable that the British taxpayer has had to foot the bill for this abuse of diplomatic relations".

He added "I want to make clear that as an allegation of rape remains outstanding, the UK continues to have a legal obligation to extradite Assange to Sweden. I have instructed our Ambassador in Quito to reiterate to Ecuador that the continuing failure to expedite the Swedish prosecutor's interview, and to bring this situation to an end, is being seen as a growing stain on the country's reputation. I will also repeat this to the Ecuadorean ambassador in London" ...



Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Julian-Assange-case-UK-to-make-formal-protest-to-Ecuador/articleshow/48487344.cms

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Julian Assange case: UK to make formal protest to Ecuador (Original Post) struggle4progress Aug 2015 OP
Good for them. George II Aug 2015 #1
Ecuador to the pompous British ass: BillZBubb Aug 2015 #2
English law is a world cultural treasure: it appears almost immediately after the Conquest in 1066, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #5
A little late for that dsc Aug 2015 #3
Technically lordsummerisle Aug 2015 #4
bullcorn azureblue Aug 2015 #6
The role of the UK courts here was not to determine Assange's guilt or innocence struggle4progress Aug 2015 #7

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
2. Ecuador to the pompous British ass:
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 06:14 PM
Aug 2015

You want to talk about stains? Ok, we'll give you Assange when Tony Blair stands trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Deal?

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
5. English law is a world cultural treasure: it appears almost immediately after the Conquest in 1066,
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:30 PM
Aug 2015

as a system in which even the powerful are subject to the procedures of courts. It has had a universalizing influence ever since then. In the thirteenth century, English judges were allowing serfs to plead in court that they should be free. It was the English judges who gradually began to extinguish the right of local lords to try people in their private courts and execute them. The English judges imagined principles of law beyond mere personal power, and accordingly they began to hold that, even if a king by degree nullified customary English rights, those rights were not extinguished but merely held in abeyance during the king's lifetime and were fully restored at the king's death

Whatever one may think of Assange, he has had his full day in the UK courts. He was granted bail, with his admirers posting sureties for him. The arguments he wished to make against extradition to Sweden was heard in the Westminster Magistrates' Court, which ruled for Sweden. His appeal against the decision was heard by the High Court, which ruled against him. The Supreme Court allowed an appeal, which he also lost. The Supreme Court then allowed him to argue that the appeal should be re-opened, whereupon he lost again. He then decided against an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, jumped bail (so that his admirers largely lost their sureties), and fled to hide in Ecuador's embassy

The purpose of a diplomatic mission is not to provide a safe haven for fugitives from the law: countries maintain diplomatic relations to smooth and improve their interactions. Sweden is a modern country, with a rather enlightened criminal justice system, and UK's diplomatic relations with Sweden involve extradition agreements, which are subject to European standards. There is no question whether Assange would receive a fair trial if extradited and prosecuted: he would. Nor is there any question about what treatment he would receive if tried and convicted: it would be humane and exemplary by the standards of every country in the world

Why, then, is Ecuador interfering in a legal extradition from the UK to Sweden? The answer has nothing whatsoever to do with Sweden or the UK but rather with the history of US interference in Latin America and the internal politics of Ecuador

Latin Americans have good reason to be wary of the US, and the Bush years did nothing to reduce their anxieties, since Bush brought back to power many of those who had engineered Reagan's slaughter in Central America. Assange's hallucinatory fantasy (of being sent from Sweden to Guantanamo and there being tortured) ignores the realities of European extradition law, but it resonates with enough Latin Americans who remember how Nixon installed Allende and how Bush kidnapped Aristide -- so a sector of Ecuadorian society will support anyone who claims to support Assange. The Assange-in-embassy story has exhibited this internal political struggle clearly, as when (for example) a "safe passage to Ecuador" document issued from the embassy, only to be immediately repudiated by the country's President

In reality, of course, Obama is not Bush; and Assange's legal issues in Sweden arose from his own misogyny and resulting boorish treatment of his sex partners there. Whether his poor behavior could produce successful prosecution is a matter for the Swedish courts to decide

At this point, it matters little what Assange might have accomplished, because he has managed to discredit himself completely, by portraying the unattractive outcome of his sexist attitudes as the result of a grandiose international plot. I have no idea whether there has been any covert scheme against him; but if there has been, I would suspect it involved carefully reinforcing his megalomania and paranoia until his obsessions undermined his ability to function rationally. Today he seems to have become agoraphobic, seeking any excuse not to leave the small embassy, where he has now been encamped three years



dsc

(52,162 posts)
3. A little late for that
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 06:43 PM
Aug 2015

I also think the clock should have stopped given his conduct here. This isn't quite fleeing the jurisdiction (he was already in the UK when the charges were filed) but it is certainly his conduct keeping the trial from being held.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
6. bullcorn
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:28 PM
Aug 2015

"---expedite the Swedish prosecutor's interview-- serious sexual allegations----" Unwanted sexual contact is not a serious charge in Sweden, and that is what he is charged with, not rape. Remember the only foundation for the charge is the words of two women, and both of them let him stay at their flats a few more days and even cook for them. This is their sworn testimony. Sweden's prosecutors have flown to the UK to conduct interviews 11 times, but somehow, they can't fly over to interview Assange? And further, Sweden refuses to do an interview by CCTV, as is the custom when allegations are minor? And after the first Swedish originally decided there was not enough proof to charge, based on the events of the next few days after the alleged "unwanted sexual contact", so a second one came in the make the allegations? And after an official diplomatic Ecuadorian flight was grounded and searched for Assange?

Bullshit. The UK speaks bullshit. The UK is trying to help Sweden paper over their eff up, and they both know that the end goal is to get Assange back in the US.

Assange is well justified to hole up in the embassy, and this latest from the UK simply underscores his reason. The road has been well trodden, and the UK and Sweden keep hoping people will forget how flimsy the charges are, the misconduct of both countries in their efforts to get Assange sent to the US, and the piles of bullshit they have to spew in order to make themselves sound plausible.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
7. The role of the UK courts here was not to determine Assange's guilt or innocence
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:17 PM
Aug 2015

under Swedish law -- that being the responsibility of Sweden's criminal justice system -- but simply to adjudicate Assange's objections that he could not properly be extradited

One of his objections (for example) was that the alleged crimes under Swedish law were not cognizable as crimes in the UK

The Swedish prosecution, in fact, in filling out the extradition paperwork, explicitly identified "rape" as one of the alleged crimes; and in explanation, Sweden indicated that sex with an unconscious woman was involved

Perhaps four years ago now, the UK courts explicitly determined that sex with an unconscious woman would indeed be a crime in the UK, and would be prosecutable as rape in the UK, and therefore dismissed that objection from Assange

I have never before encountered your strange story about an Ecuadorian flight being grounded in a search for Assange: since he has visibly been in the UK for about five years, for well over a year as houseguest of a supporter while his extradition case proceeded, and after in the embassy, the story must date from 2010 or earlier, but I cannot locate it

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